dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
This is the sort of thing that seems logical, but is so extremely unrealistic as to be a bit silly.
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Hurricane Ida devastates Lousiana and the GUlf..
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This is the sort of thing that seems logical, but is so extremely unrealistic as to be a bit silly.
Skeptical Greg
Agave Wine Connoisseur
Why is it more unrealistic or sillier than thinking: " OK, this is the last bad hurricane we are going to have .. " ?
Or is it?
( Keep in mind, this is social, not science.. )
Or is it?
( Keep in mind, this is social, not science.. )
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dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
You are talking about depopulating a major American city.It is just not happening in the near future.
Man runs up to NBC News reporter Shaquille Brewster, demanding he "report accurately" whatever that means. I guess the fact that a hurricane exists is a liberal lamestream media conspiracy or something.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...jA-YZXsYQFgDzYoRBHWrq6KvowLMPEgREUXZ3KZFJrYtA
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...jA-YZXsYQFgDzYoRBHWrq6KvowLMPEgREUXZ3KZFJrYtA
Sadly both the USNS Mercy and USNS Comfort (the Navy's two major hospital ships) are tied up in maintenance right now.
Steve
Penultimate Amazing
Seems like typical military planning - we have two, let's put them both out of service at the same time.
Wasn't planned. Both ships are way past their service life since Congress won't pay for new ones and got heavy use during the early days of the Pandemic.
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
It's not just not happening in the near future; abandoning a city the size of New Orleans is just not something that's realistically possible at all.
Even if we were just talking about one city (which of course we're not, really), a city of that size is not a thing where one person or even a group of important and powerful people can just declare "okay, the city is done, everyone leave now". It's just too many people to compel to move in any practical way. And as long as people stay, goods and services will stay too.
And that's just the core city. As I said, there isn't just a spot on the map called "New Orleans" and that's it. There's an entire contiguous populated area, that wraps all the way around the lake in fact, and the actual City of New Orleans proper is a geographically tiny part of the overall picture. You've got dozens if not a hundred or more adjacent and contiguous but independent cities and municipalities that make up the New Orleans/Metarie/Hammond CSA with a combined 1.5 million people.
Even if we were just talking about one city (which of course we're not, really), a city of that size is not a thing where one person or even a group of important and powerful people can just declare "okay, the city is done, everyone leave now". It's just too many people to compel to move in any practical way. And as long as people stay, goods and services will stay too.
And that's just the core city. As I said, there isn't just a spot on the map called "New Orleans" and that's it. There's an entire contiguous populated area, that wraps all the way around the lake in fact, and the actual City of New Orleans proper is a geographically tiny part of the overall picture. You've got dozens if not a hundred or more adjacent and contiguous but independent cities and municipalities that make up the New Orleans/Metarie/Hammond CSA with a combined 1.5 million people.
Steve
Penultimate Amazing
Is this the same navy that made 90 days of repairs on the USS Yorktown in 3 days before sending her off to Midway?
Fidelio
Graduate Poster
Glad to hear you're ok bud.
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
We got this Let's depopulate New Orleans stuff after Katrina also.
Why stop there? Florida coastal cities like Miami get clobbered by Hurricane all the time, let's move everybody out of there as well......
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
I just read that, but the Army has Mobile hospitals that I suspect will be activated.
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
ANd the guy running up looks like Central Casting's idea of a Redneck.
Wierd to say the least.
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
Sadly North America is not a continent sized hospital ship orders of magnitude more helpful than any number of triage boats. /s
New Orleans resident here. Just a quick note on the situation. (As for "Why do they live there?!?", I appreciate y'all for having adequately addressed that. I'll just add that if you live anywhere in the central US, you can thank us for your coffee, steel, rubber, etc that comes into the country through the Port of NO. ETA: Oh yeah: and oil!)
Major transmission lines over the Mississippi bringing power in from other parts of the state went down when one of the towers collapsed. This created a massive load on the rest of the system, which in turn shut down. Entire region is powerless, except for the French Quarter, go figure. We're still waiting on an assessment of whether they can get us back up in a relatively short time or if it will be weeks. Generators everywhere, but as of today, no gas to be bought. Maybe tomorrow.
Jefferson Parish (parish=county), just west of NO, lost the water main due to uprooted trees. They project that being fixed within 4 days, but are taking steps to bus people out if they want to go and can't get a ride. Trees and poles down region-wide, but in NO not as bad as I thought it would be. Definitely not as bad as Katrina left it (not counting the levee failures, though that's obviously a huge difference.)
Of course, the only oak limb to fall from my tree decided to land on my power line to the house, and now my meter is horizontal. Electrician should be there tomorrow to assess. Not sure yet if I'm leaving - have a big dog that complicates getting a hotel room, assuming there are any to get anyway. Staying at a friend's tonight. My place of employment has two working generators (one natural gas, one diesel with plenty of fuel stocked), and our fiber Inet is up. Going in tomorrow to help clean up debris and do whatever repairs are needed.
And with all that, we're still in way better shape than some of the smaller towns closer to or on the coast.
Apologies in advance if I don't respond over the next day or so.
Major transmission lines over the Mississippi bringing power in from other parts of the state went down when one of the towers collapsed. This created a massive load on the rest of the system, which in turn shut down. Entire region is powerless, except for the French Quarter, go figure. We're still waiting on an assessment of whether they can get us back up in a relatively short time or if it will be weeks. Generators everywhere, but as of today, no gas to be bought. Maybe tomorrow.
Jefferson Parish (parish=county), just west of NO, lost the water main due to uprooted trees. They project that being fixed within 4 days, but are taking steps to bus people out if they want to go and can't get a ride. Trees and poles down region-wide, but in NO not as bad as I thought it would be. Definitely not as bad as Katrina left it (not counting the levee failures, though that's obviously a huge difference.)
Of course, the only oak limb to fall from my tree decided to land on my power line to the house, and now my meter is horizontal. Electrician should be there tomorrow to assess. Not sure yet if I'm leaving - have a big dog that complicates getting a hotel room, assuming there are any to get anyway. Staying at a friend's tonight. My place of employment has two working generators (one natural gas, one diesel with plenty of fuel stocked), and our fiber Inet is up. Going in tomorrow to help clean up debris and do whatever repairs are needed.
And with all that, we're still in way better shape than some of the smaller towns closer to or on the coast.
Apologies in advance if I don't respond over the next day or so.
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The last major destructive Calif quake we had was in 1989. Since then we have retrofitted buildings and bridges making them much safer. We have had large quakes since then but nothing like the damage of '89. We've gotten a lot better at it.
What have Florida and the southern states done over this same time period to prepare for hurricanes and prevent damage and loss of life? All I can find is "better forecasting, board up windows, stock up on food and flee".
Can't speak for Florida, but we've done quite a lot here after Katrina. Completely overhauled the management of the levees to an East Bank and West Bank board populated with engineers and hydrologists. Rebuilt the floodwalls (properly), raised the levees to overcome subsidence. Researched and applied solutions from The Netherlands - for instance, built large gates to close over the mouth of canals that empty into the lake and added massive pumps to lift the water over them. Closed and filled in MRGO, a little used channel that exacerbated storm surge. Restored miles and miles of land to southern Louisiana that serves as another buffer against storm surge. Those are off the top of my head. And yes, the NHC forecasting is frankly astoundingly accurate these days.
ETA: Katrina deaths: over 1800. Ida deaths: currently at 2.
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Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
Thanks - yeah I really lucked out this time. I don't regret going for the night, though; last year I had all the first-hand hurricane experience I could ever want.
For what it's worth, I saw a few dogs, including a couple of big ones, at the Hampton Inn I stayed at in Shreveport, but I have no idea whether that's a company policy or if it was just that particular hotel. At any rate under the circumstances it seems at least some places are allowing pets that normally wouldn't. Or not not allowing them.
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/article_4f6a3c2a-09de-11ec-ae50-07fe468b9d14.html
Grand Isle is pretty well wiped out.
Grand Isle is pretty well wiped out.
71 year old man reportedly killed by alligator in Ida floodwaters.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/31/us/slidell-louisiana-alligator-attack/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/31/us/slidell-louisiana-alligator-attack/index.html