How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[332nd]

It wasn't put there fraudulently, it was put there by mistake, but even so if art imitates life, you'd think they would have scattered jet parts around to make it look more like what you're trying to describe. But they didn't, did they? They tried to match the scene with the other images of the crater already available in the public domain.

Most likely it was an oversight. Prime example would be James Cameron researching the Titanic to get every detail about the ship right, then in the scene where Jack sinks & Kate looks up into the sky... its the wrong sky. Neil deGrasse Tyson has a great story about it.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Which question are you assuming that answers?

A missile hit, I am taking that as gospel for the purposes of this argument. WHY didn't they fly the plane into the ground? Not "why do you think they didn't" but WHY?

Why did they choose to launch a missile rather than flying the plane into the ground? Why was that choice made?

My second question which you haven't made any attempt to answer, was where flight 93 went to.

Flight 93 is on the runway, passengers get on board, it takes off. Then it disappears. Where did it go?

 

[yankee451]

Most likely it was an oversight. Prime example would be James Cameron researching the Titanic to get every detail about the ship right, then in the scene where Jack sinks & Kate looks up into the sky... its the wrong sky. Neil deGrasse Tyson has a great story about it.

Well we all make mistakes, but the only problem is it matches the images in the public domain. The story for Shanksville is the jet disappeared into the ground - they had to dig deeper to find larger plane parts, and the aerial and ground photos indicate the site was pretty clear of plane debris, contrary to the other high speed crash sites which were littered with small parts over a wide area and had different craters, if any.

 

[yankee451]

Which question are you assuming that answers?

A missile hit, I am taking that as gospel for the purposes of this argument. WHY didn't they fly the plane into the ground? Not "why do you think they didn't" but WHY?

Why did they choose to launch a missile rather than flying the plane into the ground? Why was that choice made?

My second question which you haven't made any attempt to answer, was where flight 93 went to.

Flight 93 is on the runway, passengers get on board, it takes off. Then it disappears. Where did it go?

What plane?

 

[Oystein]

But missiles did it remember? The damage evidence, etc.

Nope.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Flight 93.

The plane that took off and depending on who you listen to, impacted into the field near Shanksville or alternatively disappeared without a trace.

Or are you claiming that the plane that was noted as departing never existed? In which case what about all the other flights that it had been on before 9/11? What happened to the people who got on the plane?

 

[332nd]

Well we all make mistakes, but the only problem is it matches the images in the public domain. The story for Shanksville is the jet disappeared into the ground - they had to dig deeper to find larger plane parts, and the aerial and ground photos indicate the site was pretty clear of plane debris, contrary to the other high speed crash sites which were littered with small parts over a wide area and had different craters, if any.

You were shown pictures with a lot of debris outside of the crater.

 

[Oystein]

What plane?

The plane that CAPTAIN JASON DAHL piloted out of Newar.

The plane that was boarded by
CHRISTIAN ADAMS
TODD BEAMER
ALAN BEAVEN
MARK BINGHAM
THOMAS BURNETT
WILLIAM CASHMAN
GEORGINE CORRIGAN
JOSEPH DELUCA
PATRICK DRISCOLL
EDWARD FELT
COLLEEN FRASER
ANDREW GARCIA
JEREMY GLICK
LAUREN GRANDCOLAS
DONALD GREENE
LINDA GRONLUND
RICHARD GUADAGNO
TOSHIYA KUGE
WALESKA MARTINEZ
NICOLE MILLER
MARK ROTHENBERG
JOHN TALIGNANI
HONOR WAINIO

These people are missing.
Their families are grieving for them.

Are you saying Waleska Martinez is not missed by her family? Are you saying United Airlines did not operate a flight 93 out of Newark on 9/11/2001?

 

[Andy_Ross]

If Flight 93 didn't crash into the field, where is it now?
Where are the passengers and crew?
Where did it go after it took off and where did it land?

How did the wrecked parts of the aircraft get to the crash site?
How did the remains and DNA of the passengers and crew get to the wreck site?

 

[fitzgibbon]

If the damage indicates missiles caused it, then this couldn't be a "rogue" operation. I'll let you put two and two together.

If. There's your problem

Fitz

 

[beachnut]

Big Lie, 451 says no debris like other crashes.

Well we all make mistakes, but the only problem is it matches the images in the public domain. The story for Shanksville is the jet disappeared into the ground - they had to dig deeper to find larger plane parts, and the aerial and ground photos indicate the site was pretty clear of plane debris, contrary to the other high speed crash sites which were littered with small parts over a wide area and had different craters, if any.

Tons of debris ignored. Like a kid in 1st grade, with your eyes closed.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...3debris11e.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...3debris11c.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...93debris12.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...debris18sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...3debris8sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...debris21sm.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/l...debris22sm.jpg

Tons of debris in the crater, flight 93.

Flight data recorder, buried in crater of flight 93.

Debris, flight 93, crime scene photo used in court. Oh noes.

The high speed crash created thousands of parts shredded due to the massive energy of impact. Tons of parts, flight 93.

Ejected on the course flight 93 was heading, tons of parts.

Aircraft parts, flight 93, spread over acres due to the KE of impact.

A 757 engine buried itself into the ground due to massive speed at impact, flight 93.

RADAR followed Flt 93 from takeoff to impact. It is called empirical data, which is ignored by you. Why do you lie about Flight 93?
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/Rec_Radar_Data_Study_all_aircraft.pdf
The evil government can give you the raw RADAR data so you can check their work. Why have you failed to ask for the empirical data? Why do you lie about your government, the FAA, the NTSB, the military, police, and fire rescue? Why do you lie about 911? You make the government look good, compared your fantasy claims.


Why do you post this lie?

... , and the aerial and ground photos indicate the site was pretty clear of plane debris, contrary to the other high speed crash sites which were littered with small parts over a wide area and had different craters, if any.

This is a lie. You could not walk the crash site without stepping on parts, and remains. The aircraft was destroyed by a massive impact, equal to more than 1300 pounds of TNT, big bomb. Flight 93 hit at 554 mph, you failed to do the math to see the energy. Why do you lie about 911?

 

[NoahFence]

 

[yankee451]

Flight 93.

The plane that took off and depending on who you listen to, impacted into the field near Shanksville or alternatively disappeared without a trace.

Or are you claiming that the plane that was noted as departing never existed? In which case what about all the other flights that it had been on before 9/11? What happened to the people who got on the plane?

I saying that all of the above information comes from the people who already tried to claim flight 93 caused the missile gash. Since it has already been established they lied about the crater, missiles and jet, why do you assume any of their story is true? The government that went to war over missile gashes in an abandoned strip mine is telling you the truth when it comes to everything else?

 

[beachnut]

I saying that all of the above information comes from the people who already tried to claim flight 93 caused the missile gash. Since it has already been established they lied about the crater, missiles and jet, why do you assume any of their story is true? The government that went to war over missile gashes in an abandoned strip mine is telling you the truth when it comes to everything else?

The government did not say anything.
NTSB studied the RADAR data, found it matched the impact area, from takeoff to landing.
The NTSB studied the FDR, it matches the damage done, the impact and crash site.
FAA tracked Flight 93 to the exact impact area and has another pilot check to see, he saw the crash area. FAA had two planes look.
The local coroner collected body parts, and the DNA results were the same people who boarder Flight 93 on 911, they were murdered by 4 idiots.

The government can't cover up Watergate, or sex in the Oval Office. You have made up a BIG LIE so ridiculous, it would take hundreds and thousands of bad guys to cover up let alone do.

You lie, you can't do physics, and you have clue why RADAR makes your claim dumber than dirt.

You have done the easy method of 911; you make up lies, no research, no evidence, not a valid fact is used to back your toddler like explanation of 911. You hate the government, and tell bigger lies, and dumber lies.

 

[StankApe]

no none of the things you claim are established, you made every single one of those things up out of thin air. Or you imagined them

 

[yankee451]

The plane that CAPTAIN JASON DAHL piloted out of Newar.

The plane that was boarded by
CHRISTIAN ADAMS
TODD BEAMER
ALAN BEAVEN
MARK BINGHAM
THOMAS BURNETT
WILLIAM CASHMAN
GEORGINE CORRIGAN
JOSEPH DELUCA
PATRICK DRISCOLL
EDWARD FELT
COLLEEN FRASER
ANDREW GARCIA
JEREMY GLICK
LAUREN GRANDCOLAS
DONALD GREENE
LINDA GRONLUND
RICHARD GUADAGNO
TOSHIYA KUGE
WALESKA MARTINEZ
NICOLE MILLER
MARK ROTHENBERG
JOHN TALIGNANI
HONOR WAINIO

These people are missing.
Their families are grieving for them.

Are you saying Waleska Martinez is not missed by her family? Are you saying United Airlines did not operate a flight 93 out of Newark on 9/11/2001?

If I was caught lying in one of their courts, all of my evidence would be considered worthless. Claims of passengers, radar, etc. mean nothing when the evidence indicates missiles striking in crossfire at trajectories of ten degrees or less.

Because missile craters are almost impossible to find, the closest thing I can find for a real world example are NASA's photographs of oblique meteorites:

Mirrored to show what a crater might look like if two meteorites had struck at ten degree trajectories from opposite directions.

Compare to Shanksville:

 

[Justin39640]

I'm only addressing made up crap and ignoring the available evidence - it's up to you to deal with the implications.

Fixed that for you!

 

[Dog Town]

Since it has already been established they lied about the crater, missiles and jet,

Incorrect, again!

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I saying that all of the above information comes from the people who already tried to claim flight 93 caused the missile gash.

Are you saying that the only people who claim this aircraft existed is 'the government'? Wouldn't the airline, the airport, the passengers families or the air traffic controllers wonder why they somehow missed it?

How many people do you mean by 'the people'?


And I'm still keen to know why, after you explained that evidence of missiles would wreck the cover story, you still claim they risked faking the crash with missiles and hurriedly dressing up the site with crash debris instead of just taking the low risk easy option of crashing a plane.

 

[yankee451]

Can you explain the plentiful remains of human bodies and commercial airliner scattered around the site?

Considering the source I'd have to say pull the other one. Missiles don't carry passengers.