How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

[dafydd]

What plane?

Flight 93. Do you need it in a bigger font?

 

[dafydd]

Considering the source I'd have to say pull the other one. Missiles don't carry passengers.

True, but it was a plane that crashed.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Because missile craters are almost impossible to find, the closest thing I can find for a real world example are NASA's photographs of oblique meteorites:

There must be lots of these craters around somewhere. After all, they'd be insane to try this with a not-yet-delivered missile system without extensive training runs to prove it was possible. There must be a chunk of desert somewhere in Nevada peppered with these scars. Some good ones and some early foul ups too I'd bet.

Maybe the legions of trutherdom should be scouring Google Earth.

 

[yankee451]

Are you saying that the only people who claim this aircraft existed is 'the government'? Wouldn't the airline, the airport, the passengers families or the air traffic controllers wonder why they somehow missed it?

How many people do you mean by 'the people'?


And I'm still keen to know why, after you explained that evidence of missiles would wreck the cover story, you still claim they risked faking the crash with missiles and hurriedly dressing up the site with crash debris instead of just taking the low risk easy option of crashing a plane.

Do we need to go over the backstory of all the military drills going on that day? Do I need to explain compartmentalization and 'need to know'? "Hurredly"? If I were in their shoes I'd have had this planned since 93. They probably used PSA 1771 as a model for the cover story knowing full well that since they control our education and nformation we'll believe anything they tell us.

 

[StankApe]

you aren't answering question, just spouting more made up gibberish

 

[dafydd]

Do we need to go over the backstory of all the military drills going on that day? Do I need to explain compartmentalization and 'need to know'? "Hurredly"? If I were in their shoes I'd have had this planned since 93. They probably used PSA 1771 as a model for the cover story knowing full well that since they control our education and nformation we'll believe anything they tell us.

Gibberish. Will you still be doing this in thirty years time?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Do we need to go over the backstory of all the military drills going on that day? Do I need to explain compartmentalization and 'need to know'? "Hurredly"? If I were in their shoes I'd have had this planned since 93. They probably used PSA 1771 as a model for the cover story knowing full well that since they control our education and nformation we'll believe anything they tell us.

Umm. No. I don't think so. None of that sounds as if it addresses my questions at all.

When I said they needed to hurriedly dress up your imagined missile impact site with aircraft wreckage, I meant of course that they had to do so before the world's media descended.

Or are you now suggesting they spent since 1993 planning to bury a 757 in a remote location then fire missiles at it to blow it up and scatter it around?

The easiest, fastest and most reliable way to create a 757 crash site is to crash a 757. Any other method is enormously more complex and needlessly risks discovery. They'd be nuts to do it your way. You said it yourself: Evidence of missiles would mean it wasn't a bunch of hijacker terrorists. They couldn't possibly risk that.

 

[Dog Town]

Are you saying that the only people who claim this aircraft existed is 'the government'? Wouldn't the airline, the airport, the passengers families or the air traffic controllers wonder why they somehow missed it?

How many people do you mean by 'the people'?

Answer this Yank!

 

[dafydd]

Yankee, did the people on the planes disappear voluntarily, and did the their families know about it or did the evil guv'ment eliminate them?

 

[Bell]

How did UA93's black box got aboard the "cruise missile"?

 

[NoahFence]

not worth the trouble.

 

[Bell]

not worth the trouble.

Yeah... you're right

 

[beachnut]

Do we need to go over the backstory of all the military drills going on that day?

What does this have to do with 911? A military exercise would have more people available to respond and help. You can't use military exercises for anything useful to your delusional missile theory. A missile which was not in the military inventory until 2002.

Do I need to explain compartmentalization and 'need to know'?

? You can't explain how a missile did 911, how will tie your military compartmentalization into your fantasy? lol, I am getting a clue why ordinary 911 truthers have banned you from their small tent version of 911; also absurd fantasies only the gullible believe.

"Hurredly"? If I were in their shoes I'd have had this planned since 93.

Yes, you like fantasy, and would kill fellow Americans to have your way. I understand, people with your fantasy would do bad things, this is how you come up with this nonsense. But you have no power to do anything worthwhile, so you make up lies.

They probably used PSA 1771 as a model for the cover story

They? Who are they? lol, you can't name one of them. The dynamics of Flight 93's impact are understood by aircraft crash investigators. They?
USC taught a aircraft crash investigation course, you don't have to make up your lies. You could take a course and learn the reality of crashes. Why do you make up lies about 911? Why can't you learn?

knowing full well that since they control our education and nformation we'll believe anything they tell us.

No one controlled by education and information; you made up another lies. Who are they? Name them or stop your fantasy 1984 world. So far you are the 1984 like minister of misinformation.

All your claims are BS, all your back-story stuff, BS.

not worth the trouble.

Truth.

Yeah... you're right

I will rationalize this as typing and google practice. Cooking the T-bone will take priority over fantasy that does not need debunking. Can't believe how much BS is added with no bearing on the missile not in the inventory until 2002.

 

[cjnewson88]

cj, those dialogues toward the end of the flight, for example around 1:16:40 "Is that it? Shall we finish it off?" - "No, not yet..." - where are those from? CVR?

Apparently from the CVR according to Wikipedia. Although it was never publicly released (I'd imaging listening to 3 people getting their throats slit for 2 minutes would not make for good 'public' listening) it was played to the family of the victims and a transcript was released to some media outlets, who I believe wiki cited for their page.

 

[cjnewson88]

Yankee, if this is "so obvious" then why has it taken you over 11 years to figure out?

Why hasn't anyone else figured it out?

Why does only the nuts over on the DIF agree with your theory?

Who from Shanksville have you talked to about your theory?

 

[tsig]

It wasn't put there fraudulently, it was put there by mistake, but even so if art imitates life, you'd think they would have scattered jet parts around to make it look more like what you're trying to describe. But they didn't, did they? They tried to match the scene with the other images of the crater already available in the public domain.

Why do you think they were so dumb?

 

[SUSpilot]

Yankee, you do realize you're saying a missile (or missiles) made the crater because a missile (or missiles) made the crater, don't you. Seriously, strip out all of the rhetoric and that's the essence of your argument.

Contrast that with the weight of the evidence regarding parts, aircraft records, radar tracks, body parts, missing family members, etc., etc., etc.

Oh, and -

How do you account for the people that were on the plane if they weren't actually there? Were real people eliminated? Were fictitious legends, with complete life stories and records, invented? Are the sequestered somewhere off-shore? Don't hand-wave this one; when someone suddenly departs this life, there's a messy hole in everyone else's life.

 

[yankee451]

Yankee, if this is "so obvious" then why has it taken you over 11 years to figure out?

I'm a slow study, but at least I figured it out. What's your excuse?

 

[dafydd]

How do you account for the people that were on the plane if they weren't actually there? Were real people eliminated? Were fictitious legends, with complete life stories and records, invented? Are the sequestered somewhere off-shore? Don't hand-wave this one; when someone suddenly departs this life, there's a messy hole in everyone else's life.

This^

 

[yankee451]

How did UA93's black box got aboard the "cruise missile"?

You're a shrewed one, aren't you?