How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

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Okay, I'm going to de-lurk on this thread briefly to show you it's not just the same ole group.

Okay, so back on topic. So far the true believers cannot explain why the crash site looks nothing like other crash sites. even with faster impacts.
You have been repeatedly told that it IS like other crash sites and have been given examples. Why do you ignore that?

The measurements of the crater are known, but they make no attempt to support their claims by explaining how the gash is consistent with a jet's measurements, even if they could explain the absense of debris seen outside of the crater.

The official statements claim the deeper they went into the crater, the more of the jet they pulled out, which combined with the absense of jetsam around the crater would indicate the jet burrowed into the ground, so the gash measurements should match.
There is no absence of debris. It was everywhere. You were shown pictures. Why do you ignore that?

However the crater IS consistent with two projectiles crashing in crossfire at trajectories of less than ten degrees, so until the class can move past explaining how the physical evidence fits their theories, I guess I win by default.
Your missile did not exist in 2001. Why do you ignore that?
 
bias against science, 451 can't figure out 911

Okay, so back on topic. So far the true believers cannot explain why the crash site looks nothing like other crash sites. even with faster impacts.
You showed no other sites with faster impacts. You have no clue how fast other crashes were, you don't use empirical data. You make up lies.'

Your missiles were not in inventory before 2002. Busted

You never said how fast or the attitude Flight 93 crashed at.

The impact crater shows an impact made at 142 degrees of roll, -41.1 degrees in pitch, by a 757 at 487.5 knots. I doubt you know what a knot is, let alone pitch and roll.

Please show us an impact at these parameters. You can't.


The measurements of the crater are known, but they make no attempt to support their claims by explaining how the gash is consistent with a jet's measurements, even if they could explain the absence of debris seen outside of the crater. The official statements claim the deeper they went into the crater, the more of the jet they pulled out, which combined with the absence of jetsam around the crater would indicate the jet burrowed into the ground, so the gash measurements should match.
The crater is exactly the same width as a 757 wings, at 142 degrees of roll, and -41.1 degrees of pitch. But you don't do reality, you do fantasy.

There are tons of debris ejected at impact. You must be blind, the photos were presented, now you are willfully spreading lies.

Perfect match for a 757.

However the crater IS consistent with two projectiles crashing in crossfire at trajectories of less than ten degrees, so until the class can move past explaining how the physical evidence fits their theories, I guess I win by default.
No, the crater is not close to a fantasy missile not in production on 911.

You lost due to ignorance, and ignoring the evidence. Empirical evidence, proves your claim nuts.

Tons of debris ignored. Like a kid in 1st grade, with your eyes closed.
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I was sent to aircraft accident investigation school when USC had a course at March AFB. I was working the safety office at my base for a while. It is like they put the accident prone in the safety office, at least in my case. After my job in safety I moved on, during transition into a new job, a U-2 crashed on the base. I was asked to help. I ended up owning the crash site after fire finished making the site safe. I ended up directing the crash scene investigating. The U-2 had stalled, and impacted in a downward trajectory in the first turn of a stalled spin condition from 1000 feet. Unlike Flt 93, the U-2 hit at Slow Speed, Flt 93 hit hat high speed. Energy of impact has a V2 term which you can't comprehend due to some bias against science. For the U-2 most the debris was in a shallow crater. Some debris was ejected hundreds of feet from the crash site. An instrument from the cockpit, ejected 200 to 300 feet. We marked and photographed the debris field, and later collected all the debris found.

Flight 93 is what you get with a crash at the speed and attitude Flt 93 had. It is nonsense to deny it is flight 93. You lie about 911 and don't care.

Yes, you are the winner.
You won the bias against science award.
You win the I can't see tons of debris at Flt 93 crash site.
You win the Ignorance is Bliss award.
You win the badge of excellence for the best impression of a 911 truth physics expert.
You win the Award for Dumbest Claim on 911.
You win the Award for Google stupid stuff, picking the only missile that was not in production on 911 as your imaginary fantasy maker of craters.
The list of win for you goes on...
 
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Okay, so back on topic. So far the true believers cannot explain why the crash site looks nothing like other crash sites. even with faster impacts.

They look nothing like crash sites except for the crash sites they look like. We already explained to you that the Shanksville crash site isn't a unique one, but you refuse to listen to reason. Why?



Yankee said:
However the crater IS consistent with two projectiles crashing in crossfire at trajectories of less than ten degrees.

How do you come to this conclusion? What is your evidence?

Yankee said:
so until the class can move past explaining how the physical evidence fits their theories, I guess I win by default.

Declaring victory already? That's laughable considering you haven't even left the starting line yet.
 
Okay, I'm going to de-lurk on this thread briefly to show you it's not just the same ole group.


You have been repeatedly told that it IS like other crash sites and have been given examples. Why do you ignore that?

I haven't. Post 126 addressed the dissimilarities. Why did you ignore that?

There is no absence of debris. It was everywhere. You were shown pictures. Why do you ignore that?

See 126 for comparisons of the aerial views of the sites and read more slowly.

Your missile did not exist in 2001.

It did.

Why do you ignore that?

Because it did.
 
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It did. ...
No, the missile was not in the inventory till after 2001. You supplied the information on the missile, and it has zero missiles procured before 2002.

Do you understand zero. It is math, it means nothing, zip, nada, 0, 1-1=,,, etc.

The Crater was created by a 757 tracked from take off to impact. Empirical data which proves it was Flight 93, with real people and 4 idiots fooled by a spoiled Saudi.

Flight 93 impacted at 142 degree roll angle, 487.5 knots, -41.1 degree pitch, consistent with the impact crater. Feel free to so some math and prove otherwise. The impact shape is exactly that of a 757 inverted to 142 degree roll ( do you need help with roll?).

RADAR data is available, as is the FDR. Empirical data, you can't deny unless you live in delusional fantasy.
 
I haven't. Post 126 addressed the dissimilarities. Why did you ignore that?

Your big beef seems to be that because the Shanksville site did not look exactly like other sites it couldn't possibly be an air crash and must be a missile strike cover up?

There is no polite way to say this: That is stupid.

That is like saying because no two air crashes look exactly alike that they must all be missile strike cover ups.
 
Your big beef seems to be that because the Shanksville site did not look exactly like other sites it couldn't possibly be an air crash and must be a missile strike cover up?

There is no polite way to say this: That is stupid.

That is like saying because no two air crashes look exactly alike that they must all be missile strike cover ups.



Seems like a lame variant of the 'first time in history' argument.
 
You'd think they would have scattered plane parts around.

You'd think. Of course, you started your other thread talking about "Serpico, Internal Affairs, and the Godfather" so I'm not exactly guessing you are gonna draw a whole lot of difference between a movie and real life.

lolz
 
You'd think. Of course, you started your other thread talking about "Serpico, Internal Affairs, and the Godfather" so I'm not exactly guessing you are gonna draw a whole lot of difference between a movie and real life.

lolz

Boy you are desperate.
 
Okay, so back on topic. So far the true believers cannot explain why the crash site looks nothing like other crash sites. even with faster impacts.
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So far you are not addressing all the evidence.

You are NOT addressing the radar evidence. You know that radar records track UA93 all the way to a field near Shanksville?
You are NOT addressing the FDR data evidence. You know that the FDR was recovered and decoded, and its data works out to a pilot-induced crash in a field near Shanksville?
You are NOT addressing the evidence of debris and human remains found in and around the crater in a field near Shanksville.
You are NOT addressing the DNA data won from human remains found in and around the crater in a field near Shanksville.
You are NOT addressing the evidence established by eye witnesses who saw a plane, plane parts, human remains.

Why do you ignore all the evidence?
 
So far you are not addressing all the evidence.

You are NOT addressing the radar evidence. You know that radar records track UA93 all the way to a field near Shanksville?
You are NOT addressing the FDR data evidence. You know that the FDR was recovered and decoded, and its data works out to a pilot-induced crash in a field near Shanksville?
You are NOT addressing the evidence of debris and human remains found in and around the crater in a field near Shanksville.
You are NOT addressing the DNA data won from human remains found in and around the crater in a field near Shanksville.
You are NOT addressing the evidence established by eye witnesses who saw a plane, plane parts, human remains.

Why do you ignore all the evidence?

You are not addressing the crater.

If the damage indicates missiles caused it, then this couldn't be a "rogue" operation. I'll let you put two and two together.
 
"How the Shanksville Crater Was Made" is the topic.

And missiles aren't remotely responsible for it. That is what we have been trying to tell you this whole time, if you'd stop ignoring people.


You are not addressing the crater.

If the damage indicates missiles caused it, then this couldn't be a "rogue" operation. I'll let you put two and two together.


Assuming you are right about it being a missile strike, which you aren't, why couldn't it have been a rouge operation?
 
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Boy you are desperate.

How desperate? Desperate enough to fraudulently put a picture from a *********** movie in a thread and when get called on it, make up some silly little quip?

That desperate, champ?

Because that seems pretty *********** desperate!

Thanks for posting.
 
You are not addressing the crater.

If the damage indicates missiles caused it, then this couldn't be a "rogue" operation. I'll let you put two and two together.

It doesn't.

That's a fantasy you made up.

You said you address all the evidence.
You lied,
You ignore all the evidence.
Why did you lie?
 
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