How homeopathy does work? - 4 Years of DHMS course.

[Darat]

I think people are getting their knickers in a twist over pretty much nothing. We know that at least some of these self claimed "Pakistani homeopaths" are liars, we know they are out to cause disruption rather then discussion. That they continue to lie should not surprise us.

It should be remembered that if they are what they claim to be these people are fraudsters of the worse kind - they prey on the most vulnerable people possible – the very sick, all to make some money.

In a word - scum.

 

[flume]

Darat, I don't agree with you.

Dr. A Sheikh, I don't agree with you.

I thought we could clear up a miscommunication, but it seems like it won't happen. Too bad.

(Rolfe, I do agree with you.)

 

[Donks]

I thought we could clear up a miscommunication, but it seems like it won't happen. Too bad.

I'd be willing to chalk it up as miscommunication if we were dealing with a single individual, but it's 3 (pressumably) different people making the exact same mistake, and using it to avoid further discussion. And it's not like the discussion was going anywhere before that, either. This thread is two months old and the only thing that's changed is MAS' avatar, which I just noticed has changed again.

 

[Mouthfire]

I'd be willing to chalk it up as miscommunication if we were dealing with a single individual, but it's 3 (pressumably) different people making the exact same mistake, and using it to avoid further discussion. And it's not like the discussion was going anywhere before that, either. This thread is two months old and the only thing that's changed is MAS' avatar, which I just noticed has changed again.

Yes, and these fellows (MAS and his sockpuppets) have been made to look like a bunch of bumbling fools lately.... It's no wonder they're resorting to such silly behaviour....

 

[Darat]

Darat, I don't agree with you.

...snip...

Which bit don't you agree with?

 

[Mouthfire]

Re: Re: PROTEST: LAST POST AT THIS FORUM

Sheikh, I challenge you to point out where anyone said that a substance at 1x does not have an effect on the body. What you said was:

If a homeopath claim that he has cured something with 1x or 3x then will you accept? irrespective of principles. We are talking on materilistic ground.

Please note that neither Sheikh or any of the Pakistani homeopaths have bothered to respond to this at all. This is very typical of the dishonest behaviour exhibited by this group....

 

[flume]

Which bit don't you agree with?

It should be remembered that if they are what they claim to be these people are fraudsters of the worse kind - they prey on the most vulnerable people possible – the very sick, all to make some money. In a word - scum.

I think they probably believe sincerely in their techniques, so that they are not engaging in fraud.
I don't like their prankster approach. But it doesn't seem any worse than the posters in the community forum making crude labels for people's photos.

 

[Darat]

I think they probably believe sincerely in their techniques, so that they are not engaging in fraud.

I am genuinely curious what do you base your view of their sincerity on?

Mine is based on the fact that the Pakistani authorities complain about the "quacks" in their country (quack is the word they use, see: http://www.telmedpak.com/homenews.asp?a=4207 for just one example), the outrageous and unsubstantiated claims they have made here (see:http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57544&highlight=coryza), and their refusal to answer even the most simple direct questions (see: any thread they've participated in).

From this I have come to the opinion that if they are what they claim to be then they are scum since they are obviously committing fraud and mistreating anyone unfortunate enough to go to them believing they will receive help.

 

[Rolfe]

I think they probably believe sincerely in their techniques....

Honestly, Flume, do you think the attitude of ANY of the Mas collective is consistent with sincerity?

Rolfe.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I agree. Calling them sincere is the supreme insult, because the unavoidable implication is that they are either complete morons or insane. At least fraud is understandable. Lamentable, but understandable.


Hans

 

[flume]

For the record, I have now made two posts on the NCH Pakistan forum. I did not register. the first post used the name "visitor with flume login from rand" (supposed to have said " from randi forum"). The second post was under the name "guest". Does this matter? No, not at all.

 

[Mojo]

What sort of response did you get?

 

[Mojo]

I've just had another look over there. For some reason the link to "CURED CASES" still doesn't work.

 

[Donks]

Do they still post on their forum?

 

[flume]

What sort of response did you get?

The usual. Someone, I would guess one of the homeopaths there, has mimicked MRC Hans's ID and made some pointless remarks about my ID.

I guess I'll leave it to MRC Hans and John Richard BSc.

(For the record, I have now posted three times on the NCH skeptics forum in the 'Aavogadro's' number thread. The second two posts were as 'guest'. Any future posts I make there will not necessarily be noted here.)

 

[Mojo]

I've just had another look over there. For some reason the link to "CURED CASES" still doesn't work.

Let's face it: these schmucks couldn't cure a kipper.

 

[Nohm_Sane]

This might have been covered somewhere else, but has anyone else googled the World Homeopathic Computer Club? Why does the homepage for the WHCC say "Pakistan Ninja Association"? Yes, I said NINJA Association.

This whole Dr.MAS/Non-Sense/Homeo/Quereshi thing seems like it was all a prank. Possibly some bots that were coded up to have fun with the skeptics, who aren't exactly known for "letting things go" (believe me, I fall square within that description).

I don't know. It just smells like a work to me. Apologies if this has already been substantiated elsewhere.

 

[andycal]

Yup - if you go back to page 1, post 11 - I called 'Troll'.

I doubt it was a bot though, they're more intelligent.

And it was a fun exchange. A bit like tennis practice with one of those ball flinger things.

On the other hand, it might just be that they are indeed Nija homeopaths, I'e seen weirder stuff on t'internet.

 

[geni]

I don't know. It just smells like a work to me. Apologies if this has already been substantiated elsewhere.

The problem is the shear amount of time some of the people useing these accounts have been active.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

This might have been covered somewhere else, but has anyone else googled the World Homeopathic Computer Club? Why does the homepage for the WHCC say "Pakistan Ninja Association"? Yes, I said NINJA Association.

This whole Dr.MAS/Non-Sense/Homeo/Quereshi thing seems like it was all a prank.

No, I'm afraid I think they are real, but rather sad people who really think they are being clever. The Ninja reference used to be stated in one or other of their Sig Lines at the homeopathy forums. I always assumed it was meant to seem like a desperately clever witticism to show how they don't take themselves too seriously, while at the same time being the most incredibly po-faced bunch of dull, bearded, middle-aged men you will ever come across.

I think all those photos are real and the style is the same as the apparently real NCH site. It's too internally consistent and long-lived to be a joke. There is an almost touching self-aggrandisement and over-formality present in all that they do: it's the "World Homeopathic Computer Club" but have you ever seen a more amateurish and ugly website? Delusions of adequacy!