How homeopathy does work? - 4 Years of DHMS course.

[delphi_ote]

Uh... it doesn't. The most basic understanding of solutions will tell anyone it's just water.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, delphi_ote!

P.S. If I were you, I'd stop talking to myself. It's creepy.

 

[Zep]

I think I know why it takes 4 years to complete Mas's Homeopathy Course(TM). It's because he is teaching his students at the same speed he is posting here - one tiny piece of pointless drivel less than once per day. Either the students are screened for thickness (i.e. intelligence)*, or they are right now all snoring in their chairs in the classroom.






*That is, the intelligent ones are NOT accepted.

 

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

What the F*** are you talking about? Are you accusing someone of having multiple accounts, or accusing multiple people of using the same account? If you are, show evidence. If you aren't, shut the F*** up about it and discuss homeopathy.

What a frustrating remarks ? The billi is out from her bag.

Dear Dr. MAS

Sir, We have made hot soup, now its your turn to drink it up.

They were playing with their "MASks" on their faces. You remove the masks and that was not rolfe but her mother.

 

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

He's just trolling . He's one more post like that from my ignore list.

Hans

And after that you will declare us "non-sense" that is why, I already admitted. I knew, you will come to that stage too, but I was not expected too early.

 

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

So, are you, MAS, Homeo Man, Non-Sense Homeopath and Syed really the best your little team can come up with?

I've never seen a bunch of woos quite so fearful of defending their beliefs. Are you really so insecure that you daren't even attempt to defend yourselves? For all I care you can stand in the pillories for as long as you like. We have plenty of rotten veggies here and we can carry on throwing them so long as you like being the laughing stock.

When, I received mail on paki mailing list, I visited this forum and read 50 pages (approx) and I took a week. It was the order of dr.mas to get registeration and I was thinking, for what? Randi people are so non-sense that what would be the point of discussion. they have adopted a simple technique "I will not admit" "I will not accept" "No, its not" on each question they ask "How" or "No, it does not happen", at last, I decided to play the role of middle man and I think, I am successful in my plan. I have made a ground (pitch) for dr.mas to play his shots now. A frusterated man cannot think.

 

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

Well this turned into a fine lesson on the nature of homeopathy.

One post explaining that homeopathy is based on 'natural laws' without any detail.

Then... nothing.

I guess that's the point at which a scientific explanation of homeopathy gets a bit tricky... right at the beginnning.

JREF claim is homeopathy does not work, if it works you can win one million dollar, they are not interested in the physiological action of the drugs? Clear?

These threads moving around on that "working"

 

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

Alright. This is going to be hard. Must... show... courage!

Alright, delphi_ote... you smart mouthed jerk! I've got a question for you. And you're not getting away with pawning it off to my brother, sisters, mothers, fathers, uncles, mummy, daddy, aunti, cousins, maternal father, sister in laws, father in laws, servants etc. THIS time! I've got you cornered, and I want a straight answer!

If you're so smart, how does homeopathy work?

How does homeopathy work? for this purpose, a thread was initiated. wait for dr.mas to come.

He is engaged in organizing 4th national seminar which will be held on 29th of may. I will also be there.

 

[Zep]

Perhaps, Mr Non-Sense Homeopath, while you are there at this incredibly important homeopathic seminar, you might ask Mas to quit fooling around here and come up with the goods?

What a frustrating remarks ? The billi is out from her bag.

Dear Dr. MAS

Sir, We have made hot soup, now its your turn to drink it up.

They were playing with their "MASks" on their faces. You remove the masks and that was not rolfe but her mother.

Kumaresque in the extreme. Does anyone ELSE know what this means? I sure don't...

And after that you will declare us "non-sense" that is why, I already admitted. I knew, you will come to that stage too, but I was not expected too early.

You are living up to your posting name. So whose problem is that, ours?

When, I received mail on paki mailing list, I visited this forum and read 50 pages (approx) and I took a week. It was the order of dr.mas to get registeration and I was thinking, for what? Randi people are so non-sense that what would be the point of discussion. they have adopted a simple technique "I will not admit" "I will not accept" "No, its not" on each question they ask "How" or "No, it does not happen", at last, I decided to play the role of middle man and I think, I am successful in my plan. I have made a ground (pitch) for dr.mas to play his shots now. A frusterated man cannot think

Not just "Randi people", all the rest of the scientific world knows homeopathy is bunkum. You are just the last to accept it - so whose problem is that again, ours? And of course we will ask questions about the "science" you put forward! Did you expect that we wouldn't? We ask exactly the same questions of ALL science issues, so why should homeopathy be exempt? And if Mas is frustrated and cannot think, doesn't that indicate to you that he is having trouble answering even simple questions?

JREF claim is homeopathy does not work, if it works you can win one million dollar, they are not interested in the physiological action of the drugs? Clear?

These threads moving around on that "working"

JREF is simply asking homeopaths to PROVE that it works, and the easiest way to do that is to show that an ultramolar (e.g. 30C) homeopathic remedy is different from base solvent. And what do we find? While most homeopaths agree this can be done very easily, none of them will actually try to do it. Even for an easy US$1,000,000 plus global and lasting fame.

Unless...YOU want to be the one to do this, NSH?

 

[Donks]

Hey "Non-Sense" (TM Kumar) Homeopath, is your job in this little charade to derail this thread? This thread is for the "course" mas is "teaching".

 

[Homeo Man]

The assistant of dr.mas sent this mail to me and requested to paste in education “class” forum. He said, dr.mas is busy and will return soon.

In order to understand the working of homeopathic

Medicines, we must understand first, how other

non-homeopathic drugs / medicines / energies may

Work.

Before understanding working of homeopathic drugs,

we must know the concept of vital force /

resistance power / body immune system and how does

it work?

Homeopathic system is pure scientific system. It

works in the same manner as other system work.

There are so many many therapies or medical system.

All have the same object to control the body

dysfunction. Acupuncture, moxibustion, electropathy

and herbal all work on different level but main of

the these systems is to enhance body immune system

. For enhancing body immune system you can adopt any

technique. For this purpose you use either

molecules of medicines or use any other technique

which cannot be detected by any available devices.

This is also called science and scientists believe on it.

On Vital Force concept there are so many opinions but scientists believe on this hypothetical force (because it cannot be seen by naked eye, vital force is not physical or chemical thing) but working in the body.


In the mean time, try to find the answers of vital force, vitality, life force and body immune system and its working I will come back soon.

Dr. M Hafeez

 

[Chris Haynes]

..snip..
Homeopathic system is pure scientific system.

No, it is not.

It

works in the same manner as other system work.

If that were true it would behave according to the actual natural laws I have listed in my post above. That would include the laws of Conservation of Mass and Matter PLUS all three laws of thermodynamics.

...snip
This is also called science and scientists believe on it.

No... it is not real science, and those of us actually DO understand science do not believe it.

Please understand that proof by blatent assertion is NOT going to work. You and your friends have yet to prove that homeopathy works. Please try harder to use a coherent and plausible explanation.

edited for formatting again

 

[flume]

On Vital Force concept there are so many opinions but scientists believe on this hypothetical force.

. Science has rejected the idea of a vital force. It is an outdated idea. If you are trying to make a science-based argument for homeopathy, the phrase 'vital force' will not be helpful. You will need a more precise description.

(You can probably find material from the 1800s talking about something like the vital force, but modern techniques of cell biology and biochemistry have been able to explain the workings of the cell that were a mystery 200 years ago.)

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

The assistant of dr.mas sent this mail to me and requested to paste in education class forum. He said, dr.mas is busy and will return soon.

More flights of fancy instead of sound reasoning.

Tell me, Homeo Man, why does it not bother you that your great teacher, MAS cannot answer a very simple scientific question?

Originally posted by Badly Shaved Monkey
MAS, let's say you have a 1ml of 1 molar solution of Na₂SO₄ solution. In 1 litre you would have 6.022 x 10²³ of each of the component moieties of Na₂SO₄. In 100ml you will have 6.022 x 10²².

If you want to use this as the basis for your next 1 in 100 dilution you will draw 1ml into a pipette and add 99ml water.

If the solution was well-mixed when you drew up that 1ml it will contain 6.022 x 10²⁰ of each of the components of Na₂SO₄.

You have suggested that there may be some other number drawn up.

Originally posted by Dr. MAS
Remember, according to probality law, it is quite possible that the 2nd starting material drop may not contain any molecule of 1st starting material (because that drop was picked up blindly from the bottle) and it may or may not contain 50% of the 1st starting material or may contain 99% of the starting material.

How many? What are the chances that the aspirate will contain a number substantially different from 6.022 x 10²⁰?

Edited to add;
p.s. Iin case you hadn't realised what is going on here, I am going to keep reminding MAS that he cannot answer this question until he makes an attempt to do so. Don't forget he started this by making the ridiculous assertion that I have quoted in the middle of this post.

 

[Gaga]

good morning folks
(well, it's morning here)
*yawn* this thread is really informative, thanks mas/non-sense/homeo man. (Btw, wasn't non-sense homeopath supposed to be against hpathy? Am I deceived?)

Try to come up with some
Reasonable or logic argument
Or I'll have to conclude that you
Lack the evidence to support your
Laughable claims

oh, and you can put some math in it, I'm not afraid.
What's the unit of measurement for the vital force?
How you measure it? with a linear?

 

[Rolfe]

Ahem;

"of each of the component moieties"

Yes, I saw that bit. But it's not strictly accurate, is it? It's 6.022 x 10 <SUP>20</SUP> sulphate ions, but twice that many sodium ions.

Just to be picky.

Rolfe.

 

[Rolfe]

You remove the masks and that was not rolfe but her mother.

I'm sorry, the concept of my mother even knowing how to turn on a computer is so hysterically funny that I probably won't be able to stop laughing for a week. (Except that, sadly, her eyesight is so poor she probably wouldn't be able to read the screen if she did manage it.)

Rolfe.

 

[Dr. MAS]

Yes, I am familiar with Dr. Hahnemann and his work. "Like cures like" is nothing new here. You may continue. Thank You.

I was not aware of this info that you already knew unless you reveal your identity and qualification. I am facing great problem in sending posts at JREF forum. This is the nine attempt for sending post.

Please read my replies here.

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=28

Thank you

I will visit this forum whenever I will find time. I am passing through hard time. I am busy in arranging seminar.

 

[Mojo]

Either the students are screened for thickness (i.e. intelligence)*, or they are right now all snoring in their chairs in the classroom.






*That is, the intelligent ones are NOT accepted.

I think this may be why Mr. MAS was so insistent about knowing what qualifications people had before he started explaining anything. Once he realised that there are people here who are more than capable of demolising his "arguments," the probability of his actually presenting his explanation of how homeopathy works went down to somewhere around zero.

 

[Dr. MAS]

Looking for serious questioning!

I have decided not to indulge in irrelevent discussion.

i assure you I will explain everything to you whatevery you demand.

 

[Gaga]

Looking for serious questioning!
I have decided not to indulge in irrelevent discussion.

That would be a nice and refreshing change of pace, will you start now?

i assure you I will explain everything to you whatevery you demand.

isn't about time to start actually DOING IT ?
there are a lot of questions pending for a start try to answer them.