How homeopathy does work? - 4 Years of DHMS course.

[Perpetual Notion]

Still doesn't answer why someone who has umpteen PhDs should be studying this.

Now he's claiming four bachelor's degrees. We need someone to do a postmortem on his education claims. I've lost track.

 

[Chris Haynes]

...Does John Richard BSc post here too? He obviously reads the forum, he asked my clone a question in French to find out if it was a me or not.

I think so... he even knows where I live! ooh, scary!

(or he figured out how many places in the USA are named after George Washington!!!... and which one is West)

Right now before I go to bed... the only phrase that is going through my head on this whole bit is something that I think is from the latest "The Incredibles" movie... or an impression I had from Edna the costume designer (I don't think she actually said it, just an impression):
"It is to laugh".

Okay, it is not the best phrase (and it might be from "Saturday Night Live"), but it pretty much explains what I am doing now.

 

[Donks]

I'm sorry Donks. I read and appreciate the posts though! All this stuff is helping me with my coursework now that I'm back in school. I just got an A on my paper on the scientific method and I had great examples from this board.

With Mas and the rest it's best just to stick to random insults. The ruder you are the more "you" will post on the NCH board. Feel free to do it in French; I'm always open to learning new insults in foreign languages.

I'm not very good at cursing in French. Cursing in Spanish, OTOH, I excel at.

 

[Chris Haynes]

I'm not very good at cursing in French. Cursing in Spanish, OTOH, I excel at.

De verdad? Yo no puedo. Buenas noches, necesito dormir.

(y no se como use accentos en this keyboard tambien... plus I have not used Spanish in *cough*cough* thirty years)

 

[Zep]

I have no link with the [NCH] site. I posted information about the previous offer on NCH discussion board which is a public place.

It most certainly was NOT in a public place. It was well-hidden in a highly obscure little corner of a tiny little forum that is rarely visited by anyone (least of all your own NCH homeopaths, it appears). It could be no more hidden in public if you had published it in Urdu in the classified adverts of a Gujrat newspaper. Not only that, it was hardly a proper challenge at all - it was worded poorly, the rules were patently ridiculous, and it was beyond the ability of any human on Earth to even apply successfully. Do you think that was honest of you? The thing is, no matter how much you protest, you knew all this...

Zep:
I would have thought that a government-sponsored body would be a great deal more technically competent and honest than that.

MAS:
who is sponsoring jref offer? is the government involve in jref offer?

We are talking about YOUR offer, not JREF. You have said many times that the government of Pakistan supports your organisation. Or is this prize thing now only something you PERSONALLY offer? Not NCH? If so, another curiosity: How does a man who owns only a horse-and-cart, and who is a lowly teacher, provide a million rupees prize money for a challenge?

Zep:
As I said above, I am perfectly willing to apply for your challenges, but you never allow any of us to actually apply because there are no real challenges ever offered.

MAS:Ok, I am busy in my exams, college teaching, clinical practice, seminar organizing and computer teaching. I have detailed "AAsi" who tried to get registeration three times at this board but was not allowed. I will ask him to get registeration again.

His email address is [email protected]

If administrator is reading this post, I will request him to allow this person. He is living some 250 kilometers away from my city.

All "AAsi" has to do is apply for his own account here through the usual channels, just like everyone else did including you. The Admins won't ask if he is a homeopath or not, and they really don't care where he lives.

Also, as you have been told before countless times, the Admins don't read every post on this whole forum, and they certainly don't keep any watch on what you post any more than they do on my posts. So asking them here in this thread to do stuff is rather pointless - what you need to do is send a PM to Darat explaining what you want to say. That way it will be completely private too.

MAS:
I have recommended to close the [NCH] site, I have no link with site upgrade. Dr. Nasir ch has directed me to work on another government site. I am not impressed with the information at NCH web site. Although it is a good effort from non-homeopaths.

I thought you were not linked to that site at all. If you are not, what has your recommendation to do with it at all? Surely that would be the job of the Webmaster there?

And from my browsing at the NCH site, it would seem that it is not so much a good effort by the non-homeopaths as a non-effort by the homeopaths...to even show up and post. Including yourself.

Zep:
Sure, you can change your avatar if you wish, but I simply find it curious to see you using your own picture for a long time that matches the NCH pictures of "Dr MAS", then suddenly someone else's picture turns up who is not the same person. As I said, it's curious, but it does tend to indicate to the rest of the world, not just me, that there is more than one person operating the "Dr. MAS" account.

MAS:
I will reply when the administrator will ask this question and I know he will not ask this question becuase he knows everything.

You have no right.

??? I have no idea what you are saying here. Could you please explain more clearly.




Now let's have a diversion: Here's an interesting picture. Let's just look at some faces, shall we?

http://nch8.tripod.com/seminar/Jlm4.jpg

From the right, front row, fourth person (black&white sweater, scarf) is "Dr MAS". Next along (grey sweater) is a face that I suspect is the older gentleman who has appeared as MAS's avatar. I looked for a clean-shaven face who might have been the subject of MAS's other recent avatar, and the gentleman behind MAS's left shoulder (partially obscured) could fit the bill.

 

[DrDave]

Becos I beleive that they are lier. They are family members of the same house.

When they will reveal their identity. You will see a drama on the stage. I know how to catch them and handle them.

This is funny coming from the person who was caught behaving in this manner. Personally, I would prefer to see the drama take the form of you answering questions, and explaining how homeopathy works rather than accusing people of things that you were caught doing.

Back to the subject, you claim that AgNO₃ when dissolved and diluted will not have the number of molecules at each stage of the dilution that has been calculated here. We have done our work and calculated how many of each species are expected to be present at each stage, and H'ethetheth took into account your hand-wavy mention of probability law and calculated the odds of deviating a small amount from these numbers. The odds are astronomical, my own initial attempts at calculating the probabilities failed due to the sheer size of the numbers involved - I don't have a calculator or computer which will deal with numbers of this scale easily. I could have put more effort in and worked around this, but my approximate calculations agreed with Donks' numbers to within an order of magnitude, and when we are talking of numbers this small or this large, what's 0.00000000000000001% or so between friends?! Anyway, H'ethetheth put some calculations up and you have again soundly ignored them, so why should we bother doing them again?

So, as you seem to have an aversion with Avogadro, lets remove this complication. Pick any volume of water containing any number of molecules of AgNO₃, then tell us what happens at each stage of the serial dilution? If you like, tell me what you believe happens when your x molecules of AgNO₃ are initially dissolved in the water and I'll happily run the calculations for the further steps.

Dave

 

[flume]

Originally posted by DrDave So, as you seem to have an aversion with Avogadro, lets remove this complication. Pick any volume of water containing any number of molecules of AgNO₃, then tell us what happens at each stage of the serial dilution? If you like, tell me what you believe happens when your x molecules of AgNO₃ are initially dissolved in the water and I'll happily run the calculations for the further steps.

I wish someone who is familiar with the chemistry could talk in detail about what would happen with AgNO₃ mixed with an ethanol/water mixture (e.g. 95%, 90%, 70%) or with absolute ethanol. I think Homeo Man's point about silver nitrate assumed a reaction with ethanol. anor7?? said something about the silver being deposited on the sides of the tube.

 

[H'ethetheth]

I have no plan to escape because I know what I have to do. How homeopathy does work? This is four years plan and it is cleary indicated in the subject. You want to understand in a day? I will continue to send posts to explain how does homeopathy work.

It would help if you would actually start explaining.

 

[flume]

If anybody proves that "BSM equation is equally applicable on all homeopathic potencies in the same way as BSM has applied on Nat Sulph", then WHCC will offer him/her a blank check.

Dr. MAS,
In this quote I think you are saying that the equations BSM describes for Nat Sulph do NOT apply to other homeopathic remedies.

Does this quote mean you agree that the equations DO APPLY to Nat Sulph?

 

[Gaga]

What I have to explain when I found nothing in it. If you it has some matter you may try to win the prize on this ground.

ooh, let's put it in plain terms. It has already been done by virtually every user here but you know, repetita iuvant.
- you said it is not applicable
- you didn't explain why it is not applicable. Just making some confused and unsupported statement doesn't qualify as an explanation.
The more I read your posts and the more I think you are an uneducated teenager troll. You know what you should do to look believable, you don't do it, therefore either you cannot and all your bragged qualifications are mud or you don't want and you're purposely trolling this board.
I don't think that you're dense to the point of not understanding the issues being raised, because that would mean lacking the minimum amount of neurons needed to survive...

And for god's sake stop blathering about prizes, this is a discussion board not the fair of islamabad...

p.s. couldn't we create a monthly 'Kumaresque Language Award'? that post would qualify!

 

[Zep]

Y\'know, I think we should do just that - a Kumaresque Language Award, to be awarded for the most preposterous, positively pointless piece of piffle per post (PPPPPPP).

Should be good!

 

[Nucular]

Only that person can ask this question to me who will disclose his/her information in the same manner, as I have already disclosed in my profile which shahkeel sarwar made for me? because if I will say, I have done master from punjab university then you will ask my roll number? (as stated by paki member) When I will tell you the roll number and university registeration number then you will ask me what were the subjects, this shows that the questions will never end.

MAS, I've responded on the relevant thread, as I have the pointless inclination not to derail this train wreck still further.

Having had 37 days to digest your first lecture, I think we're all pretty much there, even Rolfe & BSM . Please give your next lecture as soon as possible, or - an eventuality which would make me fall off my chair - answer the questions which arose from the first lecture.

 

[Rolfe]

I've been here before, and I'm revisiting it. Is there any point to this? Mas doesn't understand what Donks posted, and he doesn't understand what H'ethetheth posted, and I actually doubt if he could add up two and two and get four.

He thinks that assertions that I'm living with BSM (I think Mrs. BSM would have something to say about that!) and so on will distract us, but it's obvious that he's functionally innumerate.

Rolfe.

 

[Zep]

...or he's simply an illiterate troll child, unrelated at all to the REAL Dr MAS.

 

[Jeff Corey]

...or he's simply an illiterate troll child, unrelated at all to the REAL Dr MAS.

Hold on here, are you proposing that he is posing as the phoney Dr. MAS and really doesn't have those worthless schmatta degrees in all those subjects?
A poseur's poseur, as it were.

 

[Nucular]

Hold on here, are you proposing that he is posing as the phoney Dr. MAS and really doesn't have those worthless schmatta degrees in all those subjects?
A poseur's poseur, as it were.

Hmmm, could be. Reminds me of a story in my local paper* warning people about a conman going around "posing as a bogus official". Could that have been this guy too?



*Mind you, that was the same paper that informed us that on Christmas day at 3pm the film Chitty Chitty Gang Bang was to be shown.

 

[supercorgi]

Does it involve a talking hat?

Oh PN you made me snort my soda! Ow!

I've been following this thread but have finally decided to stop wasting my time. Mas is basically saying that homeopathy works because it's magic (i.e. physical laws of the real world do not apply). Ta da! He's obviously a complete fraud with a set of manufactured credentials and you valiant posters are never going to get anywhere with him.

 

[Mojo]

Now let's have a diversion: Here's an interesting picture. Let's just look at some faces, shall we?

http://nch8.tripod.com/seminar/Jlm4.jpg

From the right, front row, fourth person (black&white sweater, scarf) is "Dr MAS". Next along (grey sweater) is a face that I suspect is the older gentleman who has appeared as MAS's avatar. I looked for a clean-shaven face who might have been the subject of MAS's other recent avatar, and the gentleman behind MAS's left shoulder (partially obscured) could fit the bill.

Hey, Zep, you didn't save this pic, did you? The link doesn't seem to work.

 

[Zep]

Hey, Zep, you didn't save this pic, did you? The link doesn't seem to work.

Yeah, I saw it was a Tripod hosted image and wondered how long it would last. Pfeh.

If you go here and use their Picture Gallery (off the menu to the left), it is about the third picture in that album - the outdoor one without the Boiron sign in the background.

 

[Jeff Corey]

I noted a "Lady Doctor" in that rogues gallery.
What the hey is that? A homeopathic OB/GYN?