How homeopathy does work? - 4 Years of DHMS course.

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

"Dishonest" What does this mean? is this the name of something?

Dr. MAS is busy in his seminar and you are doing back bitting in his abscence. You are also spreading rumours about him. I think "dishonest" is the name of your cat?

Invitation – 4th National Homoeopathic Seminar 2005




Dear Homeopaths



Islamic Homoeopathic Medical Association (IHMA) is the most active and well-organized association of Pakistan. The association’s Gujrat Wing is arranging 4th National Homeopathic Educational Seminar on 29th May 2005 at 0900 a.m in District Council Hall, Gujrat, Pakistan, in which approximately four to five hundred professional homoeopaths from all around the country are expected to attend. Hopefully, this seminar would also be a successful seminar like others held in the past. ( http://www.pbase.com/aam )



As usual the entry in the seminar is free. No prior Registration is necessary. This is one-day seminar in which the high officials of the government will also likely to participate. Pakistan fame homeopathic doctors will present their articles on homeopathic subject “Chronic Diseases and Homeopathy”. This would be a good opportunity for all of us to share views with fellow homeopaths. Don’t miss this opportunity to learn from high intellectual doctors.



At the end of the seminar famous traditional Pakistani food in the lunch will be served which is our long lasting and established hospitality. The participants will also be awarded an excellent participation certificate.



For our foreign delegates only, our club (WHCC) and Association (IHMA) are offering a special FREE package for two days stay in Pakistan. This includes traveling from airport to hotel near to seminar hall, two days of food serving and then return back to airport after the end of seminar. In this regard, prior program coordination is must. For Pakistani's doctors, they will come at their own arrangement.



I cordially invite you to grace the occasion. All Pakistani’s and foreign homeopaths are most welcome.



Yours truly,



Dr. MAS

Seminar Chief Organizer

Mobile: 0092-300-6263403

www.drmas.tk

Email: [email protected]

Chief Executive

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World Homeopathic

Computer Club (WHCC)



Postal Address:

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Iqbal Poly Homeopathic Clinic

Behind Committee Office

Main Market, Kharian

Pakistan

The links can be found at

http://www.homeoweb.net
www.nchpakistan.com discussion board chit chat section
http://www.homeopathy.forumsplace.com
Dr. Syed Furqan Discussion Board

 

[Jeff Corey]

No, Satan is the name of one cat. Sqeakey and Rocket are the others.
I was going to name them after homeopaths, but thought better of it.

 

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

shooooooo

You can't stop spreading of homeopathy...... like this..... shooooo

 

[Zep]

Dr. MAS is busy in his seminar and you are doing back bitting in his abscence. You are also spreading rumours about him.

Now there's a Kumar term come back into the conversation but from another source...

So have we discovered the identity of this sock now, perhaps? Hmmm... Is his sig a lie?

 

[Donks]

Now there's a Kumar term come back into the conversation but from another source...

So have we discovered the identity of this sock now, perhaps? Hmmm... Is his sig a lie?

Non-Sense Homeopath has a lot of Kumarish traits. "Non-Sense" itself is a Kumarism.

 

[Perpetual Notion]

Hey, I want to point out that I totally called it on another thread!! I predicted that it could be Kumar with an attitude. It makes sense. Years of pent up anger at everyone for calling him an idiot. Complete inability to post even one stinkin' scientific fact. Fawning adoration of MAS. I'm not saying it's true, but if I'm right, I get one free homeopathic certificate with dancing test tubes on it.

I noticed HomeoMan used "this and that" tonight too!

 

[Perpetual Notion]

"Dishonest" What does this mean? is this the name of something?

Dr. MAS is busy in his seminar and you are doing back bitting in his abscence. You are also spreading rumours about him. I think "dishonest" is the name of your cat?

Hey, we were calling him dishonest to his face when he was here and when he comes back if he acts the same way, I'm sure he'll hear it again.

shooooooo

You can't stop spreading of homeopathy...... like this..... shooooo

Wow, you convinced me. You totally won this debate.

 

[Zep]

Hey, I want to point out that I totally called it on another thread!! I predicted that it could be Kumar with an attitude. It makes sense. Years of pent up anger at everyone for calling him an idiot. Complete inability to post even one stinkin' scientific fact. Fawning adoration of MAS. I'm not saying it's true, but if I'm right, I get one free homeopathic certificate with dancing test tubes on it.

I noticed HomeoMan used "this and that" tonight too!

Kudos!

 

[Mojo]

"Dishonest" What does this mean? is this the name of something?

Dr. MAS is busy in his seminar and you are doing back bitting in his abscence. You are also spreading rumours about him. I think "dishonest" is the name of your cat?

Now why would you regard accusations that were clearly aimed at you (and at Homeo Man) as an attack on Dr. MAS? Are you making some sort of admission about the identity of these three posters here?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Dr. Qureshi has posted his research studies and proved that allopathic medicines were also got failed in controled studies.

Visit

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=28&st=30

Are you serious? That study clearly showed that the verum group had benefits from the medicine. Did Dr. Qureshi interpret it otherwise?

Now, apart from this apparant total lack of understanding of how to evaluate test results, you are on a very dangerous track, here:

Your reasoning can only build on the fact that all patients from both groups eventually recovered (because it was a disease that usually resolves without intervention).

If we are to use this logic on homeopathy, then EVERY case story I have ever seen fails to show that homeopathy works, since the patients would eventually have recovered anyway.

Are you SURE you wanna go that way ?

Hans

 

[Mojo]

Are you serious? That study clearly showed that the verum group had benefits from the medicine. Did Dr. Qureshi interpret it otherwise?

Now, apart from this apparant total lack of understanding of how to evaluate test results, you are on a very dangerous track, here:

Your reasoning can only build on the fact that all patients from both groups eventually recovered (because it was a disease that usually resolves without intervention).

If we are to use this logic on homeopathy, then EVERY case story I have ever seen fails to show that homeopathy works, since the patients would eventually have recovered anyway.

Are you SURE you wanna go that way ?

Hans

In the course of the discussion of that post, Homeo Man popped up and said:

So you are going to confirm that all those placebo group "b" were also got cured.

Actually, that's probably a pretty good definition of a "successful" homeopathic treatment: the patients were given no treatment and got better eventually...

 

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

Are you serious? That study clearly showed that the verum group had benefits from the medicine. Did Dr. Qureshi interpret it otherwise?

Hans

Hans,

Dr. Qureshi played a game with you. The meeting which was held this time in jhelum city, he was also present. He belongs to Jhelum. It was instructed by Dr. MAS to all of us, how we have to act our play for next episode at forum in his abscence.

A complete plan was discussed and Qureshi posted his TRUE research. I have no doubt about that ....

Only TRAPPING part was, group "b" which were on placibo also got cured but took few days more.

If you accept the research as you all did, then do you also agree that placebo group also got cured?

If I say, those who were on allopathic drugs group "a" were not got cured with allopathic drugs but actually they were also got cured with their own body immune or resistance power and allopathic drugs did nothing then would you agree with me?

That part of drama is the crucial scence of our discussion. And we are near to end of this discussion.

 

[Mouthfire]

Hans,

Dr. Qureshi played a game with you. The meeting which was held this time in jhelum city, he was also present. He belongs to Jhelum. It was instructed by Dr. MAS to all of us, how we have to act our play for next episode at forum in his abscence.

A complete plan was discussed and Qureshi posted his TRUE research. I have no doubt about that ....

Only TRAPPING part was, group "b" which were on placibo also got cured but took few days more.

If you accept the research as you all did, then do you also agree that placebo group also got cured?

If I say, those who were on allopathic drugs group "a" were not got cured with allopathic drugs but actually they were also got cured with their own body immune or resistance power and allopathic drugs did nothing then would you agree with me?

That part of drama is the crucial scence of our discussion. And we are near to end of this discussion.

You should re-read my post... you obviously didn't understand a word of it.

 

[Mouthfire]

I'll reiterate this again, in case you missed it:

Do you not find it significant that the group treated with placebo:
1) suffered significantly more pain
2) suffered for a longer amount of time, and
3) are at higher risk for developing complications, such as hemorraghic cystitis, bacterial sepsis and meningitis, and permanent renal damage?

Or do you think it's acceptable that the placebo group suffered a more severe infection, and are at a very high risk of permanently damaging their kidneys?



Your limited understanding of basic medicine is quite appalling, considering that you're "treating" these diseases.

 

[Homeo Man]

quote:
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Originally posted by Mouthfire

Do you not find it significant that the group treated with placebo:
1) suffered significantly more pain
2) suffered for a longer amount of time, and
3) are at higher risk for developing complications, such as hemorraghic cystitis, bacterial sepsis and meningitis, and permanent renal damage?
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Or do you think it's acceptable that the placebo group suffered a more severe infection, and are at a very high risk of permanently damaging their kidneys?

Your limited understanding of basic medicine is quite appalling, considering that you're "treating" these diseases.

Originally posted by Mouthfire

Do you not find it significant that the group treated with placebo:
1) suffered significantly more pain
2) suffered for a longer amount of time, and
3) are at higher risk for developing complications, such as hemorraghic cystitis, bacterial sepsis and meningitis, and permanent renal damage?



1] No, the group "a" had hard susceptibility to drugs. They had hard tolerance. They bear the pain and group "b" did not... Each person is individual and each individual has different susceptibility of bearing the pain.

2] No, group “b” was recovered in routine. They had normal susceptibility. They had normal immune system. Their resistance power were also normal. They suffered normal symptoms.

3] higher risk can be applied on both groups. Group “a” were developed so many contraindications, which were also intimated by drug manufacturing pharmacy. But group “b” were not developed any contraindications.


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Any further question?

 

[Homeo Man]

Hello N/S homeopath

You are so sensible. We have provided all answers of their questions but again they are calling us stupid. How stupid they are.
dfsd

 

[Zep]

Yes, one question to start with, KUMAR.

Do you happen to have even the faintest idea what a "control group" means in a scientific study?

 

[Gaga]

What a waste of electrons. Next time I hear someone say that an easy access for everybody to communication technologies is a good thing, I'll produce this couple of posts to demonstrate the contrary.
Apparently they don't even understand what "placebo" means.
what a bunch of [rule 8]

 

[Mojo]

Originally posted by Mouthfire

Do you not find it significant that the group treated with placebo:
1) suffered significantly more pain
2) suffered for a longer amount of time, and
3) are at higher risk for developing complications, such as hemorraghic cystitis, bacterial sepsis and meningitis, and permanent renal damage?



1] No, the group "a" had hard susceptibility to drugs. They had hard tolerance. They bear the pain and group "b" did not... Each person is individual and each individual has different susceptibility of bearing the pain.

2] No, group “b” was recovered in routine. They had normal susceptibility. They had normal immune system. Their resistance power were also normal. They suffered normal symptoms.

So now you are claiming that the differences between the progress of the condition in the two groups was because of differences between the groups other than in the treatment they were given.

The whole point of a controlled test is that there should not be any difference between the groups, other than in the treatment being tested. If you are saying that there were major differences between them, all it demonstrates is that neither you, Non-Sense Homeopath nor Dr. Qureshi have any idea about how to conduct a controlled trial, or even why controlled trials are conducted.

Your ignorance and incompetence is quite breathtaking.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Hans,

Dr. Qureshi played a game with you. The meeting which was held this time in jhelum city, he was also present. He belongs to Jhelum. It was instructed by Dr. MAS to all of us, how we have to act our play for next episode at forum in his abscence.

*Yawn* Edited to add: Really? He instructed you to act like total idiots? OK, it must be so he can look smart in comparison.

A complete plan was discussed and Qureshi posted his TRUE research. I have no doubt about that ....

Only TRAPPING part was, group "b" which were on placibo also got cured but took few days more.

Yes, I noticed. This is usual with a disease which is neither fatal, nor cronic. Fortunately, most diseases resolve with time.

If you accept the research as you all did, then do you also agree that placebo group also got cured?

No, they did not "get cured", they recovered.

If I say, those who were on allopathic drugs group "a" were not got cured with allopathic drugs but actually they were also got cured with their own body immune or resistance power and allopathic drugs did nothing then would you agree with me?

No, they recovered faster with less discomfort, so the drug had an effect. But if you ask me if they would have recovered without the drug, the reply is yes.

That part of drama is the crucial scence of our discussion. And we are near to end of this discussion.

We certainly are. For two reasons:

1) I cannot imagine you can demonstrate much more ignorance (though you keep surprising me).

2) You are heading back on my ignore list. Fast.

Hans