How Great is Our God

[Robrob]

I'm not so sure. The reference to "Kool-Aid" in post #59 suggests to me that the OP is having fun with the skeptics.

At least I hope so........

I've suspected for some time "Robert Prey" has been mostly trolling for Stundies. Based on these, I feel my suspicions have been confirmed:

At first I was suspicious, but then I realized that if this was not for real, this man, the man channeling Jesus, Peter Popoff, would not be allowed on TV. He would be in jail. So it must be for real. Check it out. He's all over cable TV. How Great is Our God.

To believe, Ye must first drink of the water or perhaps the Kool-Aid.

"Pettie" was too smart for Randi. Otherwise he would be in jail. What's wrong with getting a little help from your wife? The Bible says your wife is to be your "helpmate".

Holy water is available in every Catholic Church. Holy water, miracle water -- what's the difference? Are you implying that the Catholic Church is also involved in a Water Scam????

 

[Jeff Corey]

The OP shows an aspect of his persona that I have not seen before. I think he has been yanking our chain all along. Either that or someone slipped him some holiday eggnog laced with datura.
Let us Prey.

 

[BoogieWoogieWookie]

Come on people! Is everyone's Poe detector completely burned out?

 

[Roadtoad]

Well, Robert, perhaps it's time you and I had a little chat...

I used to work in vocational ministry. I was overnight host on KFIA back in the mid-eighties. (You can check that out with Steve Gasser, who still works there.) In fact, I was just starting when the word came down that Peter Popoff had been busted by none other than James Randi. (That should have been my first clue to get the flying **** out of there, but fast.) I stayed there for three years, making myself utterly miserable in the name of Jesus, working for three separate station managers, all of whom undercut my broadcast career. In fact, the last one, Jamie Clark, fired me because my wife and I dared to donate a miserable $50 from my pittance of a paycheck to help support Archbishop Desmond Tutu in his fight against Apartheid.

One of the things that pushed this further was hearing from Mr. Clark that "black people need to be given their rights gradually," and "black people are genetically inferior to whites." I duly informed him he was a damned racist.

See, this is what gets to me about your "god." He supports these kinds of bigots, charlatans, haters, cowards, gutless wonders, and such. In my experience, it's the Christian who expects something for nothing, or if he's giving anyone anything, it's got strings attached to it. Most people would call that "commerce," rather than "charity." Most Jews in my experience will give you what you need simply because it's the right thing to do. That's charity, not commerce. But guess who gets the smear?

Truthfully, your god ain't that great. It's not just that he doesn't exist, but if he did, he's sort of a schlock artist. Yes, the churches who do the "holy water" business are scamming people. It's supposed to represent something greater than its individual parts, but it's become so bowdlerized, so twisted, it's become worthless.

But that pales next to the nonsense that has come in recent years regarding everyone from Catholic priests to prominent Evangelicals. Among the latest has been Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel fame. He's not only tossed his son out of ministry for questioning his father's theology, but when Wendy Kaiser of JPUSA questioned him about tolerating financial and sexual impropriety within Calvary Chapel, he told her "Touch not the Lord's Anointed." (For those of you who haven't spent significant parts of your life buried with your nose in a Bible, this is a reference to King David's reproof of the Amelekite who killed the mortally wounded King Saul of Israel. The Amelekite reported to David, hoping for a reward, and David condemned him and killed him for killing Saul, even as Saul was begging to be killed rather than held as a prisoner by his enemies.)

It's a familiar attitude, oddly enough. It's evident in the actions of Ken Lay and Bernie Ebbers, who were pretty proud of how they'd ripped people off. (Don't know how Ken feels about it now, given that he's dead. Actually, I suspect he's not feeling much, except the worms munching on his corpse, if he's feeling anything at all.) It's also evident in the actions of other pastors who have been caught with their pants down, both figuratively and literally.

Honestly, I don't see how they've been "anointed," when rather than submitting to what they claim is their god, they try to tell him how he's supposed to act, and who he's supposed to bless or forgive. Pretty odd, if you ask me.

Frankly, if they don't believe in their god, why should I, a mere trucker, believe in him either?

 

[Jeff Corey]

Cheese and crackers. After all that my question about the relelevance of a POE detector is pretty lame.
But really, what does a point of ethernet detector have to do with this?

 

[slingblade]

For every troll, there's almost always someone else who actually thinks the way they're pretending to think.

I know many people--and I do mean I personally know them--who would utter every single word Robert's posted here, in all seriousness, and with heartfelt sincerity.

Many of these people are my family. Several of them are friends. I cannot address this kind of nonsense with them. They wouldn't hear me. They certainly wouldn't believe me, and they most definitely would never use any critical thinking (because they don't know how) or do any research to confirm or refute what I'd told them.

Instead, they'd just get all butt-hurt and offended, and likely would never speak to me again. They'd accuse me of being possessed by Satan, who has forced me to say these awful things--thus neatly negating the free will they're always bleating god grants them--and it would simply cement the notions firmly in their heads.

So even when I suspect someone's trolling, I'll answer him or her exactly as I would love to answer these people I know. It's the only chance I ever get to speak my mind and address this garbage, and I sincerely enjoy doing it.

It's also excellent practice for me. I'm still relatively new to critical thought, logic, and reason. I used to be one of those people, remember? I still don't always know how to refute these notions logically--I just know I usually recognize woo now when I see it, and I know it has to be fought against. And I need to know how to do that effectively.

I don't feel any need to ignore the troll. I see an urgent need to learn how to respond to the troll, just as I need to learn how to respond to the sincere, misguided woonuts who really do think plain old tap water can cure cancer or enlarge a bank balance.

If you folks hollering "troll" don't want or need to practice on them, then don't. But I'm going to keep doing so. Even if only one time out of fifty I'm actually speaking to a woonut, so be it.

Trolls make for great target dummies.

 

[Brattus]

How Great is Our God

I saw Jesus being channeled the other night on cable TV via the Miracle of a special Water -- A Miracle Water. Its' for real. Not a scam. You simply drink it, and it cures disease -- the lame, the blind, cancer, heart disease, diabetes and more. The Miracle Water will also fill bank accounts with money. You drink the water and then watch your bank account grow. It's for real. And the Miracle Water is free, so it can't be a scam. Peter Popoff just wants people to be happy and the ones shown on TV were ecstatic and very sincere. Some got 10, 20 thousand, Some 50 thousand. One lady had her bank account grow to 2.2 million. At first I was suspicious, but then I realized that if this was not for real, this man, the man channeling Jesus, Peter Popoff, would not be allowed on TV. He would be in jail. So it must be for real. Check it out. He's all over cable TV. How Great is Our God.

I have got to figure out a way to market some evil water.
I could call it Hell Douche.
If anyone ever needed that extra burst of evil to cheat on a test or their taxes then they just down a few ice cold Hell Douches and they would be all set.

If someone else needed a extra dose of badness to help them drag the body from the upstairs bedroom to the waiting car trunk outside then a few bottles of Hell Douche and they would be good to go.(so to speak anyway)

Hell Douche!
7 essential nutrients boosted with the extract of sweat dripping off of tortured souls!

Hell Douche!
The black death, cancer and great taste all in one!

Hell Douche!
When simple evil just isn't enough!














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[Robert Prey]

That's a lie. There is no god.

People who "hear voices" they think are not their own are delusional and in need of care.

Absolutely the only voice you'll ever "hear" in your head is your own. Delusions cause you to think the voices have some other source. But they don't. It's always and only just you.

How long have you been on these forums? I ask, because you seem to think you're speaking to people who agree with lies and delusions. While some few might, the majority do not.

Critical thinking is extremely beneficial. You might give it a try sometime. It would do you a lot more good than the myths, lies, frauds, and hoaxes you've been listening to.


ETA: are you unaware what "drink the Kool-Aid" means?



If that's your idea of a nice drink, I think you should reconsider.

Don't knock it till you've tried it.

 

[dafydd]

Don't knock it till you've tried it.

Tell us some stories about the people who partook of the Miracle Water and nothing happened. You've left that bit out.

 

[tsig]

For every troll, there's almost always someone else who actually thinks the way they're pretending to think.

I know many people--and I do mean I personally know them--who would utter every single word Robert's posted here, in all seriousness, and with heartfelt sincerity.

Many of these people are my family. Several of them are friends. I cannot address this kind of nonsense with them. They wouldn't hear me. They certainly wouldn't believe me, and they most definitely would never use any critical thinking (because they don't know how) or do any research to confirm or refute what I'd told them.

Instead, they'd just get all butt-hurt and offended, and likely would never speak to me again. They'd accuse me of being possessed by Satan, who has forced me to say these awful things--thus neatly negating the free will they're always bleating god grants them--and it would simply cement the notions firmly in their heads.

So even when I suspect someone's trolling, I'll answer him or her exactly as I would love to answer these people I know. It's the only chance I ever get to speak my mind and address this garbage, and I sincerely enjoy doing it.

It's also excellent practice for me. I'm still relatively new to critical thought, logic, and reason. I used to be one of those people, remember? I still don't always know how to refute these notions logically--I just know I usually recognize woo now when I see it, and I know it has to be fought against. And I need to know how to do that effectively.

I don't feel any need to ignore the troll. I see an urgent need to learn how to respond to the troll, just as I need to learn how to respond to the sincere, misguided woonuts who really do think plain old tap water can cure cancer or enlarge a bank balance.

If you folks hollering "troll" don't want or need to practice on them, then don't. But I'm going to keep doing so. Even if only one time out of fifty I'm actually speaking to a woonut, so be it.

Trolls make for great target dummies.

Gotta sharpen those claws somehow.

 

[tsig]

I have got to figure out a way to market some evil water.
I could call it Hell Douche.
If anyone ever needed that extra burst of evil to cheat on a test or their taxes then they just down a few ice cold Hell Douches and they would be all set.

If someone else needed a extra dose of badness to help them drag the body from the upstairs bedroom to the waiting car trunk outside then a few bottles of Hell Douche and they would be good to go.(so to speak anyway)

Hell Douche!
7 essential nutrients boosted with the extract of sweat dripping off of tortured souls!

Hell Douche!
The black death, cancer and great taste all in one!

Hell Douche!
When simple evil just isn't enough!














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I think Budweiser beat you to it.

 

[slingblade]

Don't knock it till you've tried it.

Careful.

That sounds like you're advocating I try the Kool-aid, and that suggestion will get you in big trouble around here.

 

[tsig]

Don't knock it till you've tried it.

The Kool-Aid?

 

[Donn]

Don't knock it till you've tried it.

So, it's not homeopathic.

 

[Walter Ego]

Trolls make for great target dummies.

There is some debate as to whether Robert is trolling JREF. I think he is mainly sincere but is not above trolling. The OP is an obvious troll and the quote below is another one.

[Lee Harvey] Oswald claimed to be a Marxist, but actually was a loyal patriotic American who loved his country, loved his president, was a former US Marine, worked for Naval Intelligence, as well as an operative for CIA and FBI, was sent to USSR after having been sheep dipped as a disloyal American, but never revoked his citizenship, was apparently sent to language school so that he could speak fluent Russian, then sent to USSR so that he could spy for the US. While he made a big splash with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, he was also working with anti-Castro groups at the same time. Someday, when the full truth is accepted, he should be posthumously awarded the Medal of Freedom.

Here are some of his other gems.

Yeah, well Facebook is probably a little more reliable that the mainstream news media.

Remember the Bubonic Plague of the 15th century? Remember the vaccine that ended the Plague?? No? Neither do I. What does that tell you?

The [Zapruder] film is a rorschach test. It can mean whatever you want it to mean. Perhaps it's a vagina.

Contrary to the headline, the Fox Business Network never called the Muppets communist. But they should have.

 

[Mick Houlahan]

Wait - somebody thinks this guy is serious? I wouldn't even consider it a Poe - too sloppy and lackadaisical. It's barely even trolling.

 

[Roadtoad]

Wait - somebody thinks this guy is serious? I wouldn't even consider it a Poe - too sloppy and lackadaisical. It's barely even trolling.

Body of work.

 

[TimCallahan]

"Pettie" was too smart for Randi. Otherwise he would be in jail. What's wrong with getting a little help from your wife? The Bible says your wife is to be your "helpmate".

Again, his wife was feeding him information from prayer cards via a microphone hidden in Popoff's ear. Popoff was claiming to receive the information supernaturally (i.e. from the Holy Spirit). That's called lying. That's what's wrong. There is no way that you could have watched the video in the link I gave you and still assert that Popoff is anything but a fake - one Randi caught redhanded.

Thus, there are only three possibilities here:

1) You are lying to yourself - as well as to us.

2) This whole thread is a joke to see how long you can keep us dangling.

3) You have completely lost it, and whatever passed for reason in you posts is now lost.

Regardless of which of these is true, It's pointless to reason with you. Therefore, this will be my last post on this ridiculous thread.

 

[truethat]

You guys are actually debating in here? LMAO!

 

[dafydd]

You guys are actually debating in here? LMAO!

Nah, just encouraging Robert to continue with the merriment.