How Great is Our God

Walter Ego said:
Here are some of his other gems.
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Robert Prey said:
Oswald claimed to be a Marxist, but actually was a loyal patriotic American who loved his country, loved his president, was a former US Marine, worked for Naval Intelligence, as well as an operative for CIA and FBI, was sent to USSR after having been sheep dipped as a disloyal American, but never revoked his citizenship, was apparently sent to language school so that he could speak fluent Russian, then sent to USSR so that he could spy for the US. While he made a big splash with the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, he was also working with anti-Castro groups at the same time. Someday, when the full truth is accepted, he should be posthumously awarded the Medal of Freedom.
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It has never ceased to amaze me how the R.Winger/conservative/anti-government/gun-owning/Christian base that Robert Prey belongs to love to choose idiots, psychopaths, con men and felons as their poster children heroes for whatever ills them at the moment. I've seen this same argument put forth that Randy Weaver was a patriot, David Koresh was a 'victim', etc. Now this thread with Peter Popoff a 'man of God' (Poe/troll or not).

Keep making that base proud Robert!
 
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Mick Houlahan said:
Wait - somebody thinks this guy is serious?t
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I think Robert is serious. As serious as cancer. He joined the forum two months ago and began posting on this thread I started about JFK assassination conspiracy theories. The majority of his posts on JREF are on that thread.

He's branched out on the politics forum here and here and started an anti-vacs thread on the conspiracy forum here.

He displays all the qualities of the insufferable self-taught know-it-all, namely arrogance, a sense of superiority and a refusal to admit being wrong about anything to the extent of not copping to even trivial errors. (Those first two items are, not coincidentally, traits he shares with his dear departed hero Lee Harvey Oswald.) Among Robert's other notable traits are hypocrisy and dishonesty.

As I said, while he is not above trolling, I don't believe that's his main objective. I think (and I have internal evidence to back this up) that he believes he is on a mission from God to show up and correct the sinful and wrong-headed skeptical "deep thinkers" (as he characterizes them) who post on these forums.
 
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I saw Jesus being channeled the other night on cable TV via the Miracle of a special Water -- A Miracle Water. Its' for real. Not a scam. You simply drink it, and it cures disease -- the lame, the blind, cancer, heart disease, diabetes and more. The Miracle Water will also fill bank accounts with money. You drink the water and then watch your bank account grow. It's for real. And the Miracle Water is free, so it can't be a scam. Peter Popoff just wants people to be happy and the ones shown on TV were ecstatic and very sincere. Some got 10, 20 thousand, Some 50 thousand. One lady had her bank account grow to 2.2 million. At first I was suspicious, but then I realized that if this was not for real, this man, the man channeling Jesus, Peter Popoff, would not be allowed on TV. He would be in jail. So it must be for real. Check it out. He's all over cable TV. How Great is Our God.
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Goods and services from a productive God to a nonproductive mortal.

Communist:jaw-dropp!
 
Elypsis44 said:
It has never ceased to amaze me how the R.Winger/conservative/anti-government/gun-owning/Christian base that Robert Prey belongs to love to choose idiots, psychopaths, con men and felons as their poster children heroes for whatever ills them at the moment. I've seen this same argument put forth that Randy Weaver was a patriot, David Koresh was a 'victim', etc. Now this thread with Peter Popoff a 'man of God' (Poe/troll or not).

Keep making that base proud Robert!
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Whew! Speak of the devil poisoning the well!!
 
TimCallahan said:
Again, his wife was feeding him information from prayer cards via a microphone hidden in Popoff's ear. Popoff was claiming to receive the information supernaturally (i.e. from the Holy Spirit). That's called lying. That's what's wrong. There is no way that you could have watched the video in the link I gave you and still assert that Popoff is anything but a fake - one Randi caught redhanded.

Thus, there are only three possibilities here:

1) You are lying to yourself - as well as to us.

2) This whole thread is a joke to see how long you can keep us dangling.

3) You have completely lost it, and whatever passed for reason in you posts is now lost.

Regardless of which of these is true, It's pointless to reason with you. Therefore, this will be my last post on this ridiculous thread.
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I read "Flim flam" a long time ago. The interesting thing is Popoff is still flourishing. Passing miracles, curing terminal diseases and increasing bank accounts in the name of God Even more interesting are the down and out people who testify for him as well as the skeptics who just don't get it.
 
Robert Prey said:
I read "Flim flam" a long time ago. The interesting thing is Popoff is still flourishing. Passing miracles, curing terminal diseases and increasing bank accounts in the name of God Even more interesting are the down and out people who testify for him as well as the skeptics who just don't get it.
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I can remember an interview with the former child preacher/faith healer Marjo Gortner who claimed that despite all of the flim-flammery, many of the healings for some strange reason, were for real.
 
Robert Prey said:
I can remember an interview with the former child preacher/faith healer Marjo Gortner who claimed that despite all of the flim-flammery, many of the healings for some strange reason, were for real.
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Quite possibly. Administer a treatment to enough people, and inevitably, a lot of them will get better. I can hit 10 000 cancer patients in the head with a hammer and some of them will experience recovery shortly thereafter.

Sometimes sickness passes. Sometimes people experience the placebo effect. Oftentimes it's conventional medicine the patients are also undergoing. In short, many people who get sick also get better at some point.

Robert Prey said:
I read "Flim flam" a long time ago. The interesting thing is Popoff is still flourishing. Passing miracles, curing terminal diseases and increasing bank accounts in the name of God
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It's very interesting how someone can be publicly exposed and then go on doing their thing as if nothing had happened. I hypothesize it has to do with two factors:

a. Many of Popoff's current victims don't know he was

b. Popoff has spun some yarn about evil skeptics and corrupt science

Even more interesting are the down and out people who testify for him as well as the skeptics who just don't get it.
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What's the most interesting is the value so many people give "testimonies". Anyone can testify for anyone. I can make a thread where I claim my neighbour can fly. So what?

"Testimonies" are the oldest trick of the scam artist. No need to prove a thing, no need to subject anything to scrutiny, just get some random people (real or made-up) to come to you and tell you how wonderful you are and all of a sudden your claim has merit.

Doesn't prove a thing, though. See my hammer example above. In order to prove something is real, you have to prove it's real. Scientifically. Having a bunch of people walking around saying it's real doesn't make it so.
 
Robert Prey said:
I read "Flim flam" a long time ago. The interesting thing is Popoff is still flourishing. Passing miracles, curing terminal diseases and increasing bank accounts in the name of God Even more interesting are the down and out people who testify for him as well as the skeptics who just don't get it.
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Yes, Popoff and his bank account are still flourishing. Like the poor, the gullible and people desperate to cure serious illnesses will always be with us as will those who would take advantage of them.

And speaking of divine missions, is it your mission to bring "the skeptics who just don't get it" in this den of heathens out of the darkness and into the light or are you just getting your jollies on JREF?
 
Robert Prey said:
Whew! Speak of the devil poisoning the well!!
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Nah, just peering into the mindset of the OP.


Roadtoad said:
Body of work.
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This.


Walter Ego said:
I think Robert is serious. As serious as cancer. He joined the forum two months ago and began posting on this thread I started about JFK assassination conspiracy theories. The majority of his posts on JREF are on that thread.

He's branched out on the politics forum here and here and started an anti-vacs thread on the conspiracy forum here.

He displays all the qualities of the insufferable self-taught know-it-all, namely arrogance, a sense of superiority and a refusal to admit being wrong about anything to the extent of not copping to even trivial errors. (Those first two items are, not coincidentally, traits he shares with his dear departed hero Lee Harvey Oswald.) Among Robert's other notable traits are hypocrisy and dishonesty.

As I said, while he is not above trolling, I don't believe that's his main objective. I think (and I have internal evidence to back this up) that he believes he is on a mission from God to show up and correct the sinful and wrong-headed skeptical "deep thinkers" (as he characterizes them) who post on these forums.
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And this.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Quite possibly. Administer a treatment to enough people, and inevitably, a lot of them will get better. I can hit 10 000 cancer patients in the head with a hammer and some of them will experience recovery shortly thereafter.

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Especially if you promise not to hit them again if they get better.:)

BTW: if you're going to do that use a holy hammer anointed with machine oil
 
Robert Prey said:
I read "Flim flam" a long time ago. The interesting thing is Popoff is still flourishing. Passing miracles, curing terminal diseases and increasing bank accounts in the name of God Even more interesting are the down and out people who testify for him as well as the skeptics who just don't get it.
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The problem, Robert, is that most of us DO get it. Many of us are former Christians who recognized we were being played and misused. In many cases some of us were actual participants in the destruction, (myself included.)

Popoff flourishes because like most con artists, he's highly skilled at what he does. Bear in mind that like Benny Hinn, those prayer cards are carefully vetted. Also remember that it's been reported time and again that many of those "healings" are an emotional response to the sort of high energy stage show that Popoff produces. The people aren't healed at all: they've gotten an adrenaline rush that leaves them feeling like they could take on the world, when, in fact, they're actually doing more damage to themselves by engaging in this false hope.

It's all carefully choreographed and geared to accomplish Popoff's goal of sucking as much money out of the wallets of the "faithful" as he can. It succeeds because people don't look any further than they absolutely have to, and have short memories to boot. He's destructive and he's evil. Skeptics get it because we're the ones who see the damage done well after Popoff's medicine show has packed its bags and cleared town, leaving everyone poorer and sicker.

Popoff, I'm sure, loves his god. His god has made him rich. And we know Peter Popoff loves money.

So, what is it that the Bible says is at the root of all evil? I'm pretty sure Popoff's god is the one of this world.
 
Factoring everything Robert has said here so far, this thread's topic and postings seem to be obvious flippant sarcasm. His previous postings seemed like a poe, but this is just not even trying. He still uses multiple sentences, sometimes even paragraphs with the build up and topic flow you'd expect were it genuine, but this post is just a bunch of stuff being said out loud.
 
Hey he just pointed out that God must exist because he can do a cheap parlour trick. Nothing wrong with lowering the bar so that anybody can dream of being a god.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Quite possibly. Administer a treatment to enough people, and inevitably, a lot of them will get better. I can hit 10 000 cancer patients in the head with a hammer and some of them will experience recovery shortly thereafter.

Sometimes sickness passes. Sometimes people experience the placebo effect. Oftentimes it's conventional medicine the patients are also undergoing. In short, many people who get sick also get better at some point.

It's very interesting how someone can be publicly exposed and then go on doing their thing as if nothing had happened. I hypothesize it has to do with two factors:

a. Many of Popoff's current victims don't know he was

b. Popoff has spun some yarn about evil skeptics and corrupt science

What's the most interesting is the value so many people give "testimonies". Anyone can testify for anyone. I can make a thread where I claim my neighbour can fly. So what?

"Testimonies" are the oldest trick of the scam artist. No need to prove a thing, no need to subject anything to scrutiny, just get some random people (real or made-up) to come to you and tell you how wonderful you are and all of a sudden your claim has merit.

Doesn't prove a thing, though. See my hammer example above. In order to prove something is real, you have to prove it's real. Scientifically. Having a bunch of people walking around saying it's real doesn't make it so.
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For those who believe, no proof is required. For those who do not believe, no proof will suffice.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Quite possibly. Administer a treatment to enough people, and inevitably, a lot of them will get better. I can hit 10 000 cancer patients in the head with a hammer and some of them will experience recovery shortly thereafter.

Sometimes sickness passes. Sometimes people experience the placebo effect. Oftentimes it's conventional medicine the patients are also undergoing. In short, many people who get sick also get better at some point.

It's very interesting how someone can be publicly exposed and then go on doing their thing as if nothing had happened. I hypothesize it has to do with two factors:

a. Many of Popoff's current victims don't know he was

b. Popoff has spun some yarn about evil skeptics and corrupt science

What's the most interesting is the value so many people give "testimonies". Anyone can testify for anyone. I can make a thread where I claim my neighbour can fly. So what?

"Testimonies" are the oldest trick of the scam artist. No need to prove a thing, no need to subject anything to scrutiny, just get some random people (real or made-up) to come to you and tell you how wonderful you are and all of a sudden your claim has merit.

Doesn't prove a thing, though. See my hammer example above. In order to prove something is real, you have to prove it's real. Scientifically. Having a bunch of people walking around saying it's real doesn't make it so.
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A wise personal physician might well employ the same techniques as do faith healers to the benefit of his patients.
 
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