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House Impeachment Inquiry

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Republicans are assuming that the voters are too stupid to see the need for Impeachment.
Unfortunately, they might be right.
 
CapelDodger said:
In receptive minds, and they'd done that without a Ukrainian announcement of investigations. Less receptive minds will surely notice that Mr. Trump calls all his tweet-targets corrupt, and the irony is that this jerry-built scheme (which was virtually bound to come out) has publicised the fact that there is no evidence of wrong-doing by either Biden.
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IMO Trump can't help himself. Maybe people around him have been successfully silenced so that they don't even bring it up with him. Who had the guts to say this:

"Sir, this is politically risky and not needed."

And if someone did have the guts to suggest it, Trump clearly hand waved it off.

Can you imagine that not a single person around Trump didn't realize there was no need for Ukraine to taint Biden?

Trump's an idiot.
 
Stacyhs said:
Who would the GOP call except for the whistleblower? After all, according to them, Pompeo, Giuliani, Mulvaney etc would testify there was no qpq, right? Which leads one one to wonder exactly why they were ordered not to testify.

They know the whistleblower can't provide any more info than s/he already has. What they REALLY want is to find out who it was.
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They want to call Hunter Biden to feed the fantasy J Biden acted to help him. The evidence says, no, didn't happen, easily checked.
 
Lurch said:
The GOP saying that the Dems can't win an election fairly and so have to 'undo the 2016 election" via this dastardly impeachment trick is pretty *****' rich. When Trumpy got help last time from Daddy Vladdy, and now again seeks a leg up via a fake smear of his perceived opponent.
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So much projection coming from so many GOP legislators. :eye-poppi
 
smartcooky said:
I don't get that way of thinking.

Why can Hunter Biden not be his own man, have earned his position on that board?

Being the child of someone famous can be a real bastard because anywhere you end up that involves anything more than flipping burgers, will have critics saying that you only got the job because "famous person" was your parent.

The only real and relevant question is, was he qualified to hold that position.

2006: Appointed to the Board of Directors at Amtrak for a five year term by Bush 43 but resigned on 2009 when his father became VP.

2009: Founded the investment management company Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC with four others, and served as a director. This company still exists.

2009: Founded capital market firm Eudora Global. This company still exists.

2009: Passed the bar (Connecticut) and joined the law firm of Boies Schiller Flexner LLP, where he remained until 2014.

2014: Was hired by Burisma in the wake of the Ukrainian Revolution when their owner was shown to be corrupt and involved in a money laundering scheme. They wanted a board of directors at least partly made up made up from high profile, foreign businessmen, so that anyone looking could see that it was not the same old, same old corruption.

Hunter Biden and former Polish president Aleksander Kwaśniewski were hired precisely because they were who they were, not in spite of it.

I see nothing in Biden's history that would disqualify him for that position, and plenty that qualifies him.
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Not buying it. His dad didn't need to do anything, so I'm not saying there was any corruption.

But it's hard to believe Burisma hired him on his resume alone.
 
PhantomWolf said:
The problem is that while History might record it, to a lot of Americans the Republicans will have muddied the waters enough to allow FOX and the Sinclair Group to lie about it all and declare that Trump was vindicated and that the Democrats just had a smear job, and they'll believe it and go on with their lives believing that Trump was the victim and Democrats are evil.
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I don't think that was Zigs point, though. :)
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Republicans are assuming that the voters are too stupid to see the need for Impeachment.
Unfortunately, they might be right.
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Actually the truth is probably that most Republicans know all the dangers and more. However that's not their most pressing concern, Trump's own base is.

Republicans have a choice:

1. stick to Trump for as long as his base sticks by him, come hell or high water
2. turn on Trump and be ousted in the primaries by a Trumper

By and large their stance is not compromised by slavish loyalty to the president, no. Most Republican elected officials aren't that dumb (exceptions exist of course). They're compromised first and foremost by the Deplorables that form their bedrock support and will react negatively to any sign of dissent. If they step out of line they will lose their jobs and be tarred and feathered by the Republican-aligned media so desperate for their rankings among Deplorables. Of course they know the electorate won't react well to this, but for the moment the calculation shows they will take less damage from sticking with Trump than by turning on Trump.

That's what you get for relying on Deplorables to get you over the line.

McHrozni
 
Suddenly said:
Yeah, they have to console themselves with the fact that they will never be poor and have a bunch of opportunities that other people will never have. What a sad life. They cry themselves to sleep in their designer pajamas dreaming of how they if their father was a janitor rather than a Senator they would right now feel so much better about life being easy since they would have totally been successful anyway because they are great and life is fair in things big and small.
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Ron Reagan?
Leonard Huxley?
Hans Einsten?
Anna Freud
Aage Bohr

Having famous, high achieving parents is not always beer and skittles!
 
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Belz... said:
Well, I was talking about the larger group of initial supporters, not the current ones.
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Unless I'm missing the joke, isn't the remarkable thing about President Trump's support the fact that it seems to be so consistent. :confused:
 
Ziggurat said:
That survey shows 48% approval.



But they don't seem to be doing that. Different surveys can give different results, so I don't really care to argue whether 48% or 41% is the better number. The more important point here is which direction the numbers are moving. And the Emerson poll shows approval rating is going up for Trump (it was 43% last month), not down.

As I said, it's not working.
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"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane".
- Marcus Aurelius
 
Not seen much reporting on this:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...mpeachment-hearing-dr-fiona-hill-trump-errand

The Ukraine scandal has a lot of complicated parts. During Thursday afternoon’s impeachment hearings, former National Security Council official Fiona Hill clearly laid out one of the most devastating: that the Trump administration systematically undermined the normal US diplomatic process to pursue a shadow foreign policy in service of what she described as a “domestic political errand.”
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Belz... said:
What are you talking about? What's this nonsense about baby boomers?
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Presumably a way for Childlike Empress to avoid having to concede that their assertion was incorrect.

Although, I'd be interested to know what proportion of FOXNews' viewers fit into that demographic - I suspect that they may be over-represented.

.....does a bit of Googling and comes up with....


As of April 2017, 57 percent of adults in the United States aged between 55 and 64 years old said that they watched Fox News, making viewers in this age category the cable news channel’s most avid audience. Conversely, younger generations were less likely to say that they watched Fox News.
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/699998/fox-news-viewers-age/
 
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