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House Impeachment Inquiry

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theprestige said:
And yet, by design, they are part of the prosecution. Nullifying a presidential election is a serious thing. The system is designed to fail if there isn't broad bipartisan support for it. Everybody knew going into this that the House was going to be divided on the issue. While the Democrats could use their majority to push it forward, there was never any question of the Republicans quietly playing along.
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*Sigh*, he sighed.
 
The GOP saying that the Dems can't win an election fairly and so have to 'undo the 2016 election" via this dastardly impeachment trick is pretty *****' rich. When Trumpy got help last time from Daddy Vladdy, and now again seeks a leg up via a fake smear of his perceived opponent.
 
Lurch said:
The GOP saying that the Dems can't win an election fairly and so have to 'undo the 2016 election" via this dastardly impeachment trick is pretty *****' rich. When Trumpy got help last time from Daddy Vladdy, and now again seeks a leg up via a fake smear of his perceived opponent.
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Especially when you consider that it was Trump who was claiming the election was 'rigged' with thousands of people voting illegally. Hmmmm....it appears these illegal voters were the same Muslims Trump says he saw celebrating on 9/11.
 
Suddenly said:
I've always assumed that Hunter Biden being on the board of a random Ukranian corporation was hard to explain without some level of corruption somewhere.
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I don't get that way of thinking.

Why can Hunter Biden not be his own man, have earned his position on that board?

Being the child of someone famous can be a real bastard because anywhere you end up that involves anything more than flipping burgers, will have critics saying that you only got the job because "famous person" was your parent.

The only real and relevant question is, was he qualified to hold that position.

2006: Appointed to the Board of Directors at Amtrak for a five year term by Bush 43 but resigned on 2009 when his father became VP.

2009: Founded the investment management company Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC with four others, and served as a director. This company still exists.

2009: Founded capital market firm Eudora Global. This company still exists.

2009: Passed the bar (Connecticut) and joined the law firm of Boies Schiller Flexner LLP, where he remained until 2014.

2014: Was hired by Burisma in the wake of the Ukrainian Revolution when their owner was shown to be corrupt and involved in a money laundering scheme. They wanted a board of directors at least partly made up made up from high profile, foreign businessmen, so that anyone looking could see that it was not the same old, same old corruption.

Hunter Biden and former Polish president Aleksander Kwaśniewski were hired precisely because they were who they were, not in spite of it.

I see nothing in Biden's history that would disqualify him for that position, and plenty that qualifies him.
 
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Stacyhs said:
I have to laugh every time Jordan, Nunes, et al. start with their trumped up indignation over Schiff not providing the whistleblower to testify when Dear Leader has ordered Pompeo, Giuliani, Mulvaney, etc NOT to testify. Pompous asses.
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How cool would it be if Pompeo, Giuliani or Mulvaney was the whistleblower and that Trump is actually preventing them from testifying?
 
Lurch said:
The GOP saying that the Dems can't win an election fairly and so have to 'undo the 2016 election" via this dastardly impeachment trick is pretty *****' rich. When Trumpy got help last time from Daddy Vladdy, and now again seeks a leg up via a fake smear of his perceived opponent.
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It's extra classic when one considers that Trump had 3 million fewer votes than Hillary.
 
smartcooky said:
Hunter Biden and former Polish president Aleksander Kwaśniewski were hired precisely because they were who they were, not in spite of it.

I see nothing in Biden's history that would disqualify him for that position, and plenty that qualifies him.
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I am sure that one of the things they wanted was that his name would add a air of legitimacy to the company, but yes, he had served as a Director of a number of companies, including Amtrax. It should also be pointed out that his business partner, Devon Archer, was already added to the Board before he was asked, and that his company was doing consulting work for Burisma, so it wasn't like the board sidled up to him at a soiree and said "Pssttt, wanta be on a Board, we'll pay you heaps." Rather he had a relationship with the Company previous to taking on the role.
 
theprestige said:
And yet, by design, they are part of the prosecution. Nullifying a presidential election is a serious thing.
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Let's quash that right now. Nobody's "nullifying" a presidential election. Trump was elected and took office. If he leaves, one way or another, his Republican running mate elected with him would automatically take office and complete his term. There is no mechanism to replace him with his opponent or anyone else from the other party. You don't really think Nixon's departure "nullified" the 1972 election, do you?
 
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Ziggurat said:
That survey shows 48% approval.



But they don't seem to be doing that. Different surveys can give different results, so I don't really care to argue whether 48% or 41% is the better number. The more important point here is which direction the numbers are moving. And the Emerson poll shows approval rating is going up for Trump (it was 43% last month), not down.

As I said, it's not working.
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And that's really the problem isn't it? We aren't the country LTC Vindman thinks we are. We're a country where a significant minority of the population doesn't think that right matters. What Trump did isn't right. It would not be right for a Democrat to do and it's not right for a Republican to do. Yet, a significant minority doesn't care about what is and is not right. The filthy Trumptrash in Congress don't care what's right. The real tragedy in all of this is that we now know that we aren't he country LTC Vindman thinks we are. He should be less sure that he'll be safe because he's right. A troublingly large minority in the country don't care about right.
 
Craig4 said:
And that's really the problem isn't it? We aren't the country LTC Vindman thinks we are. We're a country where a significant minority of the population doesn't think that right matters.
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What are you complaining about? You don't care about right.

Craig4 said:
Exactly correct. As long as no laws are broken, I would do or condone anything, no matter how unethical, dishonest or immoral to see Trump removed from office. The ends justify the means.
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smartcooky said:
Being the child of someone famous can be a real bastard because anywhere you end up that involves anything more than flipping burgers, will have critics saying that you only got the job because "famous person" was your parent.
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Yeah, they have to console themselves with the fact that they will never be poor and have a bunch of opportunities that other people will never have. What a sad life. They cry themselves to sleep in their designer pajamas dreaming of how they if their father was a janitor rather than a Senator they would right now feel so much better about life being easy since they would have totally been successful anyway because they are great and life is fair in things big and small.

He named his capital firm after the boat Cecil Rhodes used to travel to Africa. I just read that on the firm's own website, and I'm dead.

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The ocean-going vessel that carried Cecil John Rhodes to a land of opportunity was named Eudora. We feel our organization represents the modern equivalent
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http://www.eudoraglobal.com/

Which leaves us with the unsettling probability that in a Trump/Biden race, the checkmark for worst son isn't going to Trump.
 
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PhantomWolf said:
I do have to say that the saddest thing I am seeing in all of this is that the Republicans believe that but jumping up and down and shouting "Look Shiny Squirrel, Democrats are bad" that they can lie directly to their base and protect a President that is out of control, and that at least 50% of Americans will believe the lies and admire the shiny squirrel all while the Republicans go back to screwing them over, and the really sad part of all that is that I actually think that they are right.
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Although one can infer from the above that PhantomWolf cares at least somewhat about the polls, CapelDodger wrote the following in response to a rather different person:

CapelDodger said:
Only those like you who think the process is an attempt to smear Mr. Trump care what effect it has on polls.
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There are several distinct categories of the impeachment inquiry's possible consequences, including:
  • impeachment (in the House of Representatives)
  • conviction (in the Senate)
  • influence upon 2020 presidential election
  • influence upon 2020 congressional and state elections
  • the electorate's political leanings beyond the 2020 elections
  • the future of constitutional democracy in the US and the world at large
I have listed those consequences in what I consider to be increasing order of importance.

After what we have seen in these public hearings, impeachment appears certain, probably on a near-party-line vote.

There is time and room for a little more uncertainty in the Senate, but any outcome other than non-conviction on a near-party-line vote would be surprising.

Those events are likely to reverberate in the 2020 presidential election. Whether impeachment and its aftermath improve or impede Trump's chances for re-election remains to be seen. It is quite possible that other events, such as the Democrats' choice of candidate, will be more important, and it is fairly likely that we'll never really know just how much of that election's outcome should be attributed to impeachment.

On the other hand, impeachment might have discernible consequences for House and Senate elections, and possibly even for some state-level elections. Those consequences are most likely to become apparent in congressional districts and states where an incumbent's vote on impeachment or conviction is unpopular in his or her district. I expect to see such effects in a relatively small number of electoral contests, helping/hurting the Democrats in some and the Republicans in others. There might be a clear pattern of such effects in favor of one political party, but I think it's way too early to try to predict what's going to happen here.

The impeachment of Donald Trump is likely to have long-term consequences for the identity and character of the Republican Party. Whether those consequences are salutary will be strongly influenced by what happens in the 2020 presidential and congressional elections.

Whatever happens, the impeachment inquiry we are witnessing will become a significant event in American history. The facts that have come to light during that inquiry will be part of any serious evaluation of Trump's presidency and its influence upon the United States and its place in the world.
 
Ziggurat said:
One wonders if you realize anything about Craig4.
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Not really because I honestly don't give a carp about him. I'm more interested in how the Party that claims to be about Patriotism and Morality, the Party of Lincoln is now that Party whose leadership is selling out the country while swindling their followers with gaudy charms and lie covered bracelets and as long as they can convince those followers that it's all in aid of harming the other side then all is right with the world.

What the people on an inconsequential forum have to say as regards to what they would like is irrelevant to that situation.
 
a_unique_person said:
So what? True or not it's just a diversion from Trump's guilt. Trump's guilt is a matter of evidence, not polling.
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The problem is that while History might record it, to a lot of Americans the Republicans will have muddied the waters enough to allow FOX and the Sinclair Group to lie about it all and declare that Trump was vindicated and that the Democrats just had a smear job, and they'll believe it and go on with their lives believing that Trump was the victim and Democrats are evil.
 
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