Houla Massacre, Syria: What If?

[angrysoba]

I think some common ground could be found on the 'stability' interest, assuming the US doesn't want war and isn't dead set on regime change at this point.



Well they jumped on the Gulf War I bandwagon and helped with some torture here and there, but I can't think of too many examples of a cooperative relationship existing between the two.

Gulf War I wasn't in the twentieth century.

 

[Virus]

I think some common ground could be found on the 'stability' interest, assuming the US doesn't want war and isn't dead set on regime change at this point.

Except Assad doesn't want stability. He wants to be a jerk and destabilize his neighbours. Ditto his Iranian patrons.

Which is a good reason to feed his punk ass to the dogs.

 

[Mycroft]

2) Why do you think that it's impossible to take uniforms off dead Syrian soldiers?

I think that real life isn't like Hogan's Heroes, Star Trek or any other Hollywood produced fantasy. It's not so much that it's inconceivable that one or two people could pull off something somewhere with stolen uniforms, but according to CE's sources it happens all the time documented in more than a dozen cases. I think Occam's Razor favors believing that the guys in Syrian Army uniforms driving Syrian Army vehicles belong to the Syrian Army.

 

[funk de fino]

I guess punk is the new buzz word of those who lean to the right?

So cool.

 

[JihadJane]

I think that real life isn't like Hogan's Heroes, Star Trek or any other Hollywood produced fantasy. It's not so much that it's inconceivable that one or two people could pull off something somewhere with stolen uniforms, but according to CE's sources it happens all the time documented in more than a dozen cases. I think Occam's Razor favors believing that the guys in Syrian Army uniforms driving Syrian Army vehicles belong to the Syrian Army.

What a convenient razor!

"All war is deception." - Sun Tzu, Chinese General and Author, b.500 BC

 

[Toontown]

What a convenient razor!

"All war is deception." - Sun Tzu, Chinese General and Author, b.500 BC

The regime certainly has you fooled. They've got you thinking everyone in a Syrian army uniform are (insurgents) looking to massacre some people.

 

[Toontown]

I guess punk is the new buzz word of those who lean to the right?

So cool.

Just say a word and the word-nazis will be right there
With claws at your back to send a chill through the night air

 

[trustbutverify]

The regime certainly has you fooled.

I doubt accomplishing this goal increased the work load of Assad and his brown shirts in any significant way.

 

[Caustic Logic]

Gulf War I wasn't in the twentieth century.

Ohcome on, it wasn't that long ago.

The regime certainly has you fooled. They've got you thinking everyone in a Syrian army uniform are (insurgents) looking to massacre some people.

Does she really? That would be a silly and straw-stuffed thing to believe. How about this - anyone:
- wearing a Syrian army uniform, especially a torn, blood-stained one, and firing weapons that once belonged to the Syrian army
- doing things that make no sense for the government to do, like massacring babies (allegedly loyalist and Alawite AND Sunni opposition) right before big UN meetings and visits, always putting more pressure on the government...
- should not be presumed to be a real Syrian army
- should be suspected of being an opposition false-flagger
- ergo questions and suspicions and correlating evidence are extremely valid to consider, instead of just ridiculing.

But that's coming from another "fooled" person speaking to person who's had the crystaline reality of things revealed by CNN and the BBC, quoting one side's "activists," oracles of truth they are.

 

[Virus]

Syrian children up to no good.

Maybe someone should set them straight and pull their fingernails out.

 

[Toontown]

Does she really? That would be a silly and straw-stuffed thing to believe. How about this - anyone:
- wearing a Syrian army uniform, especially a torn, blood-stained one, and firing weapons that once belonged to the Syrian army
- doing things that make no sense for the government to do, like massacring babies (allegedly loyalist and Alawite AND Sunni opposition) right before big UN meetings and visits, always putting more pressure on the government...
- should not be presumed to be a real Syrian army
- should be suspected of being an opposition false-flagger
- ergo questions and suspicions and correlating evidence are extremely valid to consider, instead of just ridiculing.

But that's coming from another "fooled" person speaking to person who's had the crystaline reality of things revealed by CNN and the BBC, quoting one side's "activists," oracles of truth they are.

That seems like a rather wordy response to a one-line observation on the dress codes of Syrian slaughterers and it's apparent effect on JihadJane.

Seems they all want to get all gussied up like Syrian solders before going on a massacre spree. Real Syrian soldiers are hoping it won't become a popular fad.

 

[Captain.Sassy]

I think that real life isn't like Hogan's Heroes, Star Trek or any other Hollywood produced fantasy. It's not so much that it's inconceivable that one or two people could pull off something somewhere with stolen uniforms, but according to CE's sources it happens all the time documented in more than a dozen cases. I think Occam's Razor favors believing that the guys in Syrian Army uniforms driving Syrian Army vehicles belong to the Syrian Army.

SOHR says thousands of Syrian army have defected. I believe many probably have. Surely they could have supplied at least some uniforms?

 

[Bikewer]

Various sources are now describing the conflict as "civil war", with much of the country involved. The Russians are reportedly preparing to send the Syrians additional attack helicopters, incurring the ire of our own State department.

 

[Captain.Sassy]

Syrian children up to no good.

Maybe someone should set them straight and pull their fingernails out.

Surprised nobody's mentioned the UN's 'human shields' report.

I find some of this reasonably credible. Especially the torture stuff. It's reprehensible.

Not sure I believe the bus full of kids - that's from a single witness, according to the report.

Also not sure why the FSA doesn't get more opprobrium heaped on it for using child soldiers.

But whatever.

Anyways, here's a video of Syrian army using human shields:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN5CJ2dLTBU

I was surprised the last BMP in the first video was waving a Syrian state flag.


Also, I found what looks like a somewhat similar scene here:

But these aren't human shields.

How can we tell the people walking in front of the IFV and laying on the ground beside the tank in the two youtube videos are human shields, and not prisoners?

I admit, even if they are 'just' prisoners, they're probably not in for a very good time. The Syrian regime is a liberal user of torture.

 

[Toontown]

I doubt accomplishing this goal increased the work load of Assad and his brown shirts in any significant way.

It is unlikely they are even trying to fool JJ. Fooling JJ is probably just a side effect of the regime's modus operandi. If a regime rules by fear and force, then it rules by fear and force. UN or no UN. A zebra can't change it's stripes, even if a lion is sizing it up.

 

[Captain.Sassy]

It is unlikely they are even trying to fool JJ. Fooling JJ is probably just a side effect of the regime's modus operandi. If a regime rules by fear and force, then it rules by fear and force. UN or no UN. A zebra can't change it's stripes, even if a lion is sizing it up.

What if it's not a lion, but an eagle of freedom?

 

[Darth Rotor]

Various sources are now describing the conflict as "civil war", with much of the country involved. The Russians are reportedly preparing to send the Syrians additional attack helicopters, incurring the ire of our own State department.

Here's a thought:

Russians are putting together an interesting bit of payback for what we did in Kosovo.

Civil War: yes, and the points about few knights in shining armour on the "insurgent side" ring true.

But what about the children?

In a civil war, a lot of them tend to die. One of the nastier side effects of civil wars.

 

[angrysoba]

Gulf War I wasn't in the twentieth century.

D'oh! Did I write that? I think I meant not in the twenty-first century.

 

[Captain.Sassy]

Darth:

Thought the South Ossetia / Abkhazia intervention followed by their unilateral secession from Georgia got NATO back for the Kosovo thing? Seems like more of a parallel.

 

[funk de fino]

Just say a word and the word-nazis will be right there
With claws at your back to send a chill through the night air

I cannot wait for next cool one that you all copy off each other.