Houla Massacre, Syria: What If?

[Caustic Logic]

Oh, and C1, if you can hear me, I thank you for stepping up with anything to break the monologue. Quiet winning can get boring, and it's useful to get active confirmation of it, which you provided. Silence = sucky, hence the mostly-unheeded request. All these other weak pseudo-skeptics intent on believing the vague rebel/CNN version couldn't say ****. But you could and did say **** and for that I thank you.

Seriously though, if anyone thinks there was a challenge that actually mattered, that anyone raised and I brushed off/minimized (I'm sure I didn't outright ignore it, unless it was a repeat I'd already answered) ... and you remember where, or just now find something, feel free to press me on it again. I've always been more than happy and confident to keep on dealing with the evidence, and I think that is what scares people into high-speed drive-by sniping-and-crashing like C1 just made set a textbook example of.

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

What are you on about?

 

[Caustic Logic]

What are you on about?

You must be able to kind of tell, and I don't know what part you might be hung up on, so ...

Just now, I was on about a person wrongly discrediting my intellectual integrity. The wrongness was throughly routed and outed.

Before that, with the mainly monologue (tho not massive - less than one page of it in over a year) the Houla Massacre, Syria, May 25, 2012. If you're too young or behind, a simple Google search for the top few results will prove enlightening.

Any more specific questions, feel free.

Peace.
- Adam Larson aka Caustic Logic (for your search)

 

[Caustic Logic]

Back on about it. I know this isn't the best time to expect massive debate, but I'm going to try and stir it up. My old article is still up there, #2 behind Wikipedia after over a year.

And here's the better 2014 follow-up, a bit late for the second anniversary now:
The Battle For The Houla Massacre: The Video Evidence Explained (and the rest reconsidered)
PDF download page - 61 pages, app. 4 MB (visual heavy)

This lays out our video study, how we did it/how it can be double-checked, videos catalogued, stills, panoramas, field-of-view studies, etc... placed, timed by sunlight, compared to other evidence. Stuff we've largely covered in this thread but updated. Plus the other evidence re-hashed in light of the battle accompanying the massacre.

To get this report and the rest of the evidence seen, to invite review and challenge, gather new info in the ongoing investigation, and so on, I created this site at Blogspot:
http://taldoutruth.blogspot.com/

People will want to ignore this like they have, but maybe it's time to take it serious and find out, then explain to me and the world, why it's wrong. What we need is a solid challenge to this evidence, at the place I set up for it there:
2014 report main challenge space
(will eventually have sub-places)

I've invited Eliot Higgins, will try some others, and maybe if a few JREF "skeptics" went and livened it up he/they would be more prone to come join them in attacking my arguments, not my arguer (me). I'll at least check back here for thoughts, but mainly I hope to see some folks mosey over there to do it in the right spot.

I have other actions, some vague and some concrete, to further push this issue. Open to ideas - looking for the usual "take it to the authorities" dodge but with useful specifics if you know just who, etc.

 

[Caustic Logic]

No responses here, good. A few views, past 40,000 now, thanks for that push folks. I also see a few readers from here at the education/debate blog. No comments yet, aside from my few icebreakers. But it's only been a few days and I haven't really started all promo plans yet.

I keep getting sidetracked by the little details, then work and sleep ... I'm getting a victim list ironed out from correlating all the different ones put out, cross-checking details, etc. All the 108-ish tallies included some combo of 5-6 of rebels, and left off some civilians. All re-assembled, 9 dead rebels, and still a total of 110 or so civilians or maybe more (correlating/collapsing entries, different criteria...

One new thing I'll have to note somewhere, many originally listed as adults are under 18 - as young as 11 by records that give such details. Actually death toll for under 18 children seems to be 63 - 57 listed as kids, 6 as adults. Surprisingly few teenagers, actually. And no one over 57.

Ostentatious! rambling! I meant to just drop this link for more starter traffic and I thank you - in these details I might have a big new clue, or an interesting side-story at least:
May 22 Bus Hijacking - Houla Massacre Link?