Homeopathy does work

[Donks]

I am asking questions. This is your field. So you awnser to me. Don't make a topic too long just to add posts & do mothing--TTT/TTTT. Sp pls be specific to be productive otherwise everything will be TTTT.

Oh screw this. From now on all you'll get from me is mocking of your ignorance and arrogant attitude.

 

[Mojo]

Told you he couldn't answer it!

 

[Donks]

Told you he couldn't answer it!

You just had to rub it in, didn't you?

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Are these naturally occuring isomer? Any posibility of occurance of isomers on potentisation?

What point is there in answering that question when you have shown no inkling of understanding why this;

That is your field to tell me. But we may have to see some/many combinations in a solution/potency of isomers in few groups. There can be say 1M H2O, 1M HOH, IM OHH or .1M H2O, 1.9M HOH, 1MOHH.....like this there can be many combinations, if isomerism is possible.

is so hilariously misconceived. Until you can cope with the structure of the water molecule there is nothing you can gain from your supplementary questions.

 

[Vikram]

You have not yet got the rules amended as you commited that :even 30-50% positive results are there in so listed as paranormals, will be entitled to prize due to their comparatively lesser attentions. One just have to recognize remedy or not just in 30-50% trials at his place. Pls get the rules amended unabling people to proceed accordingly. When????

What amendment of rules? In the protocols that I suggested for astrology, even being right 50% of the times would be statistically significant and would win you the million dollars. That DOES NOT require any amendment of the rules.

Just take one of the protocols I suggested and APPLY for the Challenge. The JREF will accept the protocol without having to modify any rules. And they WILL give you the million dollars if you are right 50% of the times in that protocol.

I repeat: No rules have to modified. Don't make excuses. JUST APPLY.

Or stop wasting our time with your nonsense.

 

[Kumar]

Vikram,

Why not for homeopathy? You got the rule amended that anyone who can recognize remedy or no remedy at his place with 30 to 50% positive results will get the prize. Have you read rules for prize?

Just forget, you can only speak.

 

[Kumar]

What point is there in answering that question when you have shown no inkling of understanding why this;

BSM. Then don't give the awnser. Sorry, but I have not noticed that YOU AWNSER ALSO TO MY QUESTIONS.

 

[Donks]

Vikram,

Why not for homeopathy? You got the rule amended that anyone who can recognize remedy or no remedy at his place with 30 to 50% positive results will get the prize. Have you read rules for prize?

Just forget, you can only speak.

You want to win by getting 50% right on a coin toss?

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

BSM. Then don't give the awnser. Sorry, but I have not noticed that YOU AWNSER ALSO TO MY QUESTIONS.

You misunderstand, Kumar. I know most of your answers, but I am not going to waste time explaining them to you unless you show you have learnt sufficient knowledge to understand them. Rolfe made that mistake over a year ago and we would both be idiots to repeat that mistake now.

You don't even understand what and atom or a molecule is so there is no point in answering higher level questions. What little interest was served in answering your questions to satisfy my enjoyment of getting my explanations organised has now been exhausted. So, I'll give simple answers to simple questions and you have to show that you understand those answers before proceeding.

If you want to make progress then explain why;

"Somewhat alike H2O>>OH2"

" O2+H2O= H2O3 or HO+H2O
H2O3+H2O=H4O4 or HO+H2O
H4O4+H2O=H6O5...
.......so on."

and

"1M H2O, 1M HOH, IM OHH or .1M H2O, 1.9M HOH, 1MOHH"

are so misconceived.

 

[Oso]

Re: Can form change/effect?

...
Dilutions of sulphur from 5X to 30X were prepared using succussion, vial rotation and neither succussion nor rotation. Measurable and characteristic changes in the spectra were found at each stage of dilution with succussion. These characteristics were absent in analogous solutions prepared without succussion or solute.

http://www.kulisz.com/how_does_homeopathy_work.htm

Well there it is. Duplicate this and win the million. Unless I'm missing something there should be no spectral changes after at least 24x,

Also from the same article

How Does Homeopathy Work?
This is a question I am often asked, particularly by fellow pharmacists, physicians and health care professionals. The direct answer is…we don't know. That said, and before you stop reading...

oops too late.

 

[Perpetual Notion]

That is your field to tell me. But we may have to see some/many combinations in a solution/potency of isomers in few groups. There can be say 1M H2O, 1M HOH, IM OHH or .1M H2O, 1.9M HOH, 1MOHH.....like this there can be many combinations, if isomerism is possible.

Hahahaha!! I just choked on my morning coffee. Kumar, seriously, sixth grade Earth Sciences class. You should look in on one. They have these molecule models that look like big tinker toys.

"Yeah, I'd like the #3 H20 combination and can I get a large fries with that and extra pickles."

 

[Donks]

Hahahaha!! I just choked on my morning coffee. Kumar, seriously, sixth grade Earth Sciences class. You should look in on one. They have these molecule models that look like big tinker toys.

"Yeah, I'd like the #3 H20 combination and can I get a large fries with that and extra pickles."

I'd feel bad for Kumar for being so ignorant if only he wasn't ignorant on purpose.

 

[Mojo]

Originally posted by Kumar

A more recent experiment⁷ measured the changes in hydroalcoholic solutions prepared with serial dilution and succussion. Dilutions of sulphur from 5X to 30X were prepared using succussion, vial rotation and neither succussion nor rotation. Measurable and characteristic changes in the spectra were found at each stage of dilution with succussion. These characteristics were absent in analogous solutions prepared without succussion or solute.

http://www.kulisz.com/how_does_homeopathy_work.htm

I only just got around to having a look at this. Although the page claims to have been updated on 2/23/2005, the "more recent" study referred to at footnote 7 is

Nuclear magnetic resonance studies of succussed solutions, Journal of the American Institute of Homeopathy. 1975; 68: pp.8-16. Anomalous effects in alcohol-water solutions, Review of Mathematical Physics. 1975; 13: pp.10-12.

Has this been successfully followed up at any point over the last 30 years?

 

[Vikram]

Vikram,

Why not for homeopathy? You got the rule amended that anyone who can recognize remedy or no remedy at his place with 30 to 50% positive results will get the prize. Have you read rules for prize?

Ok. Here's a protocol for homeopathy:

1) You are given 12 sets of vials. Each set will contain 9 vials of plain water and 1 vial of a homeopathic dilution of a drug.

2) You can use ANY method you want (chemical testing or medical trials) to find out which vial is the 'drug vial' in each set.

Even if you are able to detect the homeopathic vial from 6 out of 12 sets (50%), you are eligible for the Million Dollar Prize.

(To the statistically minded - The probability of randomly detecting the drug vial in 6 out of 12 sets is about .00092, which is a little less than 1 in a thousand and should therefore be eligible for the JREF challenge.)

Yes Kumar? Are you interested in money? Do you need it for your research? Here you go. Here's a protocol for you. You need to be right only 50% of the time. And no rules have to be amended.

APPLY.

Or is it YOU who just wants to talk?

 

[Kumar]

Ok. Here's a protocol for homeopathy:

1) You are given 12 sets of vials. Each set will contain 9 vials of plain water and 1 vial of a homeopathic dilution of a drug.

2) You can use ANY method you want (chemical testing or medical trials) to find out which vial is the 'drug vial' in each set.

Even if you are able to detect the homeopathic vial from 6 out of 12 sets (50%), you are eligible for the Million Dollar Prize.

(To the statistically minded - The probability of randomly detecting the drug vial in 6 out of 12 sets is about .00092, which is a little less than 1 in a thousand and should therefore be eligible for the JREF challenge.)

Yes Kumar? Are you interested in money? Do you need it for your research? Here you go. Here's a protocol for you. You need to be right only 50% of the time. And no rules have to be amended.

APPLY.

Or is it YOU who just wants to talk?

Why 9 vials of plain water and 1 vial of a homeopathic dilution of a drug? Why it is not equal numbers of blank remedies & real remedies in each set?

Just tell; if one want to show effects of tissue remedies. He want to prove remedy or no remedy. He is given one bottle of blank & one real tissue remedy from 6X to 200x trituration(any potency & remedy of prover's choice(due to presenting symptoms in him). It may take immediate to 6 months & several doses/potencies to tell that which is real remedy's bottle & which one is blank. Now suppose he tells 30-50% positive results--will he get prize or not? The test is to be conducted at prover's place, none of his expenses, without any liability/claim on him, with remedies & potencies of his choice with time from 1 day to 6 months for each remedy/potency. Will then he get the prize or not? IF yes, show me the rules to this effect?

 

[Rolfe]

Hey, Kumar, supposing I claim that I can tell in advance whether a tossed coin will come up heads or tails. I say that I will state "head" or "tail" before the coin is tossed, then the person testing me tosses the coin and we see whether or not I was right.

Supposing I was right "30-50% of the time", do you think Mr. Randi would give me the million dollars?

(Actually, if I was as bad as 30% consistently, maybe I could make a case!)

Rolfe.

 

[Vikram]

Kumar,

Congratulations. By demonstrating exemplary ignorance in even school-level mathematics, you have earned a place in my ignore list.

 

[Donks]

Kumar,

Congratulations. By demonstrating exemplary ignorance in even school-level mathematics, you have earned a place in my ignore list.

That's the straw that broke the camel's back? Man, he has demonstrated ignorance of everything, I don't know why you're so surprised.

 

[Vikram]

That's the straw that broke the camel's back? Man, he has demonstrated ignorance of everything, I don't know why you're so surprised.

Perhaps it was my deep masochistic streak that kept me going. That, and the hope that there might be some hidden ounce of intelligence in Kumar that I might find if I tried long enough.

I was mistaken. It is no longer even worth my time to read the uneducated nonsense that Kumar posts.

 

[DrDave]

Aha - but its not nonsense, it's what I now like to think of as 'homeopathic knowledge'. That is to say that you take a fragment of knowledge and repeatedly dilute it down with random words.

Just one sentence is extremely powerful and can teach you anything - just make sure that you don't just read one letter though, you'll learn every concept known to humankind

I know, I'll get my coat