Homeopathy does work

[steenkh]

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Does homeopathy work under 18x potency? You can try to reply here if you don't want to visit nch forum.

I do not know if homoeopathy has been tested with potions under 18x, but I do know that there is no scientific evidence at all that homoeopathy works. Is this a new theory of homoeopaths that only potions under 18x work? What about the theory that the higher the dilution, the stronger the potion?

 

[El Greco]

As far as I know, no skeptic in this forum has ever said that homeopathy works under 18x. It does not work. Not above 18x, not at 18x, not below 18x, and not anywhere between -infinity x and +infinity x.

It's that simple, Dr. MAS & Homeo Man, and stop trying to confuse the issue.

 

[geni]

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Knowing that there is so much fraud in homoeopathy, I would be reluctant to take anything prepared by a homoeopath! But in principle, yes! If I could be sure that the dilution was made properly, I would be willing to drink it by the litre!

You may have heard that James Randi himself has publicly drunk a homoepathic dilution that originally contained a poison. In the Netherlands, a whole group of skeptics have - unsuccessfully - tried to commit suicide by drinking homoeopathic potions.

18X will still have some molecules left. About 6*10⁵ assuming that the dilution starts with a 1M dilution.

 

[steenkh]

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18X will still have some molecules left. About 6*10⁵ assuming that the dilution starts with a 1M dilution.

You may be right, but I have believed that this was still under the level of normal drinking water?

 

[geni]

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You may be right, but I have believed that this was still under the level of normal drinking water?

It is certianly below the maxium allowed in US drinking water.

 

[anor277]

Of course Dr Mas did not even specify the counter ion when he offered the 19x cyanide potion. What sort of cyanide did he mean? Hydrogen cyanide, potassium cyanide? One could drink even higher concentrations of (Fe(CN)6)2-, which also goes by the name of Prussian Blue; in fact FeSO4 and sodium bicarbonate is an old laboratory remedy for cyanide poisoning - because it complexes free cyanide and renders it inert.

 

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

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I do not know if homoeopathy has been tested with potions under 18x, but I do know that there is no scientific evidence at all that homoeopathy works. Is this a new theory of homoeopaths that only potions under 18x work? What about the theory that the higher the dilution, the stronger the potion?

hello brother,

Your father and mother did not give any comments whether it works or not under 18x.

Do you admit it works in 12x? Do you have any scientific evidence of not working under 12x? if you have you can win one million rupees which I will offer from my side.

 

[Non-Sense Homeopath]

Homeoman,

You are chemist homeopath, I think, you must prepare potency of KCN 19x and ask them to take four drops daily for one week.

If it does not contain any molecule then they don't have to bother.

 

[Chris Haynes]

Why?

Just show that you can tell that between two unmarked bottle which is the homepathic remedy versus the solvent.

If you can do that, then you will win a million dollars.

 

[Mojo]

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Do you admit it works in 12x?

Do we admit that what works at 12X? You need to specify a condition and a remedy that you claim cures it. Then it can be tested.

Do you have any scientific evidence of not working under 12x?

Homeopathy makes claims of efficacy. it is up to homeopaths to provide evidence for their claims.

if you have you can win one million rupees which I will offer from my side.

The one million Rupees allegedly being offered by Mr. MAS is for proof that homeopathy is paranormal. If it were to work at dilutions greater than 12C/24X, it would definitely be paranormal, as it would be totally outside currently accepted reality (have a look at any of the definitions of "paranormal" that have been offered). Proving that it doesn't work, on the other hand, would not demonstrate anything paranormal at all.

Perhaps some homeopaths could take up Mr. MAS's challenge? Prove that homeopathy works, especially at dilutions greater than 12C/24X, and you have proven that something paranormal is occurring! You could win one million Rupees!

 

[Vikram]

Our new friend Non-Sense Homeopath has apparently been suspended. Was that because he's a sock?

 

[alfaniner]

Well, if he was a nylon stocking, he would be "No Non-Sense" Homeopath...

 

[Donks]

Our new friend Non-Sense Homeopath has apparently been suspended. Was that because he's a sock?

What a shame.

 

[Ipecac]

Stupid question.

Is it pronounced: Homey-ah-pathy

or Homey-oh-path-y?

Or perhaps some third way.

 

[Mojo]

Stupid question.

Is it pronounced: Homey-ah-pathy

or Homey-oh-path-y?

Or perhaps some third way.

Assuming that you're American, I pronounce it nearer to your first option (when you take into account the fact that I'm English).

 

[Skepiroth]

James Randi better be ready with the money, because I can prove, beyond a reasonible doubt, under the most stringent conditions that homeopathy can actually treat one particular medical malady.... I'm gonna be rich!



(note: this one particular malady = dehydration )

 

[geni]

(note: this one particular malady = dehydration )

Have fun trying to prove that with glucose/sucrose tablets

 

[Skepiroth]

really, they can come in tablets? I always assumed with all that dilution it would have to be a liquid of some sort.

 

[Zep]

The fully diluted remedy is usually dropped on a small sugar pillule, which is then allowed to dry out. These treated pillules have all the "potency" of the final dilution!

But wait! There's more! (Are you sitting down?)

If you run out of treated pillules, you can drop the last one in a bottle of untreated ones (called "blanks"), give the bottle a shake, and they are all now "treated"! And this can be repeated ad infinitum...





Go make coffee now to get you out of shock...

 

[Skepiroth]

Coffee? I'm gonna need some Guinniess after hearing that one