Hitting A Woman?

No, what you're doing is attempting erudition by posting "define X."
Sometimes, in some threads, certain words do need defining. But in this thread, these words don't really need this, and no purpose is served in demanding such.
 
MikeMangum said:
Women who are victims of domestic violence are looked on with sympathy. Men who are victims of domestic violence are seen as less manly and are frequently ridiculed.

Men who are victims of domestic violence can't defend themselves because of the way domestic violence prosecution works. If the man uses violence in response to violence from his domestic partner, he will be the one arrested. If a man is in a marriage, has children, and his wife is violent, if he leaves the woman he will likely end up with limited or no custody of his children and be unable to protect them. If he decides to call the police, chances are that he will be the one arrested for domestic violence, even if he engaged in no violence at all.

ABC News hidden camera footage to see how people react to a women assaulting a man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hn-wL6hPq8

The basic response was "he must have deserved it".
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I don't think this response is as gender based as you think, and it is not unusual for female victims of domestic violence to be treated with contempt instead of sympathy.

I'm not trying to ignore the point you make and I fully recognise that women do abuse men - and that it's difficult for male victims in several different ways - but the issue of feeling like less of a person, and the responses of derision are perhaps not so much the domain of male victims as you'd think.

I can speak about it now - several years a divorce, some therapy and a few partners later. I kept it secret for years. I was embarrassed, humiliated and felt that there was nowhere to turn. People around me laughed at other female victims of domestic violence, speaking casually of how they believed 'she must like it', or 'she's exaggerating it'. That did not encourage me to seek counsel and help. The police were called out to us twice, and on neither occasion did they offer me the support or help they should have. The first time they had been called because a neighbour must have seen him wave a knife around at me. They allowed him to come upstairs alone and spend a few minutes talking me into coming down to let them know I was .... ok. The other time was after we finally separated, and they picked me up outside his flat when neighbours called because I had been screaming for help. He had held me in his flat for about 2 hours refusing to let me leave until I agreed to something he wanted to do 'as a family'. As I left he had pushed me down a flight of steps, and then stood over me as I shrieked for help, terrified of what was coming next, and unsure how badly I was hurt (just bad bruising, luckily). The police actually talked me out of pressing charges, drove me home and left me there alone. That was the last time I was ever alone in his company, other than one christmas day (with my daughter), but then I had arranged to call a friend every hour or he'd show up with some mates and the police.
 
slingblade said:
No, what you're doing is attempting erudition by posting "define X."
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Yes, I am posting different definitions that are better and more fun:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5374828&postcount=380
I suggest technically actually hitting people is not fun.
That is what I am doing. I should know. I am the one doing it. Ever hear of setting up a premise for a joke?

sorry if you would rather talk about the litteral defintion of "fist", "hit" and "slap". I think that that sucks -- and I mean sucks in the bad way.

Christ, are you guys too lazy to click on a link? No? I guess you think it is more fun to be critical.

Gee, if you actually read what I posted, thought about it, and clicked on my link you would understand my premise and the set-up. Instead I have to spoon feed you with a direct post of the pic.

1001rihanna-id-hit-it.jpg


....and in a good way.... Not the bad way you like to dwell on.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
Yes, I am posting different definitions that are better and more fun:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5374828&postcount=380
I suggest technically actually hitting people is not fun.
That is what I am doing. I should know. I am the one doing it. Ever hear of setting up a premise for a joke?

sorry if you would rather talk about the litteral defintion of "fist", "hit" and "slap". I think that that sucks -- and I mean sucks in the bad way.

Christ, are you guys too lazy to click on a link? No? I guess you think it is more fun to be critical.

Gee, if you actually read what I posted, thought about it, and clicked on my link you would understand my premise and the set-up. Instead I have to spoon feed you with a direct post of the pic.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/tonyfamilia/1001rihanna-id-hit-it.jpg

....and in a good way.... Not the bad way you like to dwell on.
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Christ are you to lazy to read the thread? No I guess you think it's more fun to try to make a joke that was made on page 1.:rolleyes:
 
Bill Thompson said:
Are you enjoying the thread as it has been going?
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Are you aware that particular woman was smacked around pretty good by Chris Brown?

Here she is after Brown "hit that."





It's funny! right? It's totally ****ing hilarious!

Have you got a mom I can do this to? Some sisters, maybe a daughter? Because it's totally ****ing funny!

Shut up, now, Bill. Do us all a big favor.


...waiting for someone to tell me I'm still missing the point of all these great jokes.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
I am just saying there are better definitions.

Comedian Dane Cook as a bit about girls describing a part of a boyfriend's body as looking as cute as a baby's arm with its hand in a fist.

There are also better definitions for hitting and even slapping.

The bad definition for hitting should be thown out. It would be great to live in a world where the technical definition of hitting is forgotten and is replaced by the slang:
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And The Bloodhound Gang reminds us that "fist" can be a verb. What's your point?
 
Roboramma said:
Why do you ask? Because all topics should be fun and funny? Because if we have a thread about physical violence toward women there's something wrong with people taking that seriously?
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Nothing wrong with taking it seriously but nothing wrong with making a few jokes either.
 
slingblade said:
...waiting for someone to tell me I'm still missing the point of all these great jokes.
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I think you are missing the point. You had something bad happen to you that some people, who are completely against violence, make a few jokes about. Is this the only subject we aren't allowed to make jokes about or is it out of line to make jokes about every crappy thing that, has ever happened, to anyone?

Can we make jokes about Tiger Woods, cause I just heard a great one? ;)
 
I recall something my dad saying something that, even though I disagree, I can understand where it comes from.

He said:
"I would never hit a lady, but the second a woman hits me, she's no longer a lady and I'm no longer a gentlemen."
 
Regarding the Rihanna incident: Keep in mind that what happened to her was a response to her assaulting whateverhisnameis. She attacked him by hitting him repeatedly with the sharp point of her stilleto high heel shoes while he was driving.

MikeMangum said:
another study...found that the single greatest predictor of whether a woman would have serious injuries as a result of domestic violence was her own initiation of violence.
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Belz... said:
I would've been more careful, perhaps, but under the right circumstances none of those subjects are above satire.
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I'm conflicted. In a thread specifically about domestic violence I would say that it isn't ok for satire. But this thread is just about hitting women. Hitting women is not the same thing as domestic violence. So, I don't know.
 
qayak said:
I think you are missing the point. You had something bad happen to you that some people, who are completely against violence, make a few jokes about. Is this the only subject we aren't allowed to make jokes about or is it out of line to make jokes about every crappy thing that, has ever happened, to anyone?

Can we make jokes about Tiger Woods, cause I just heard a great one? ;)
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Oh, you're allowed to make the jokes. Just as I'm allowed to lower my opinions of certain posters' intelligence and compassion.

Just so you know, it was twelve years of "something bad." They way you put it, it sounds more like a one-time incident.

It wasn't one time.
 
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MikeMangum said:
Regarding the Rihanna incident: Keep in mind that what happened to her was a response to her assaulting whateverhisnameis. She attacked him by hitting him repeatedly with the sharp point of her stilleto high heel shoes while he was driving.
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And this makes it acceptable to make jokes about her getting hit?

Where's the jokes about her hitting him? Isn't that funny, too?
I thought this was all about the equality, baby.
 
slingblade said:
And this makes it acceptable to make jokes about her getting hit?

Where's the jokes about her hitting him? Isn't that funny, too?
I thought this was all about the equality, baby.
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I'm not someone making jokes about it. That was not my point.

On that issue, I do believe that it should be ok to joke about just about anything, within reason, and in the appropriate context. I don't find jokes at a specific person's expense on this subject to be particularly funny, frankly.

My point was that the narrative about Rihanna is generally missing an important piece of information, specifically that she is the one who instigated the violence and bears some of the responsibility for the result.
 
MikeMangum said:
I'm not someone making jokes about it. That was not my point.

On that issue, I do believe that it should be ok to joke about just about anything, within reason, and in the appropriate context.
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Not sure what "it should be okay" means. Okay with whom? How does one know when it's not okay?

"About anything" and "within reason" are kind of juxtaposed on the "weasel word" side. What's within reason to one may be far across that line to another, so it's kind of hard to know where lies the line of "okay."

Maybe some folks would like to make the jokes anyway and see who starts crying. Then, we'll know. Oh, wait....

Also hard to determine that "appropriate context." Trying to figure out what's the appropriate context for making jokes about hitting women, but somehow I'm personally having a difficult time appreciating the humor.

Still waiting for teh funneh on men being battered.


I don't find jokes at a specific person's expense on this subject to be particularly funny, frankly.
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Yeah, well.

My point was that the narrative about Rihanna is generally missing an important piece of information, specifically that she is the one who instigated the violence and bears some of the responsibility for the result.
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Well, then, I'm glad we've established that salient point then.

Where are the Chris Brown Getting Pummled by a Woman jokes, she asked of no one in particular? I'd like to read some. I bet they are hilarious. Do share, someone.
 
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slingblade said:
Are you aware that particular woman was smacked around pretty good by Chris Brown?
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Yes I am. Yes I was aware. That is kind of the point.

Which is why we need to redefine what "hit" means.

I am sorry I overestimated you.
 
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