Hitting A Woman?

[slingblade]

Yeah, me too. However, I know what it feels like to see red as someone who hates violence myself. But as I said earlier, there are situations even someone hating violence [or maybe because of that hate of violence] could turn into someone using violence.

For example: Your loved Woman is aborting your and her child without asking you because she says she never loved you in the first place - despite saying that all the time before that abortion.

No. How would hitting help this situation? If you're likely to hit a pregnant woman because you feel frustated by her, then you certainly have no business with a child.

Or you witness a man hitting his girl in public.

You could handle this in other ways, in most cases. In those few where you must get physical if you are to help, the physical contact doesn't need to be a blow, specifically. Most people wouldn't hit a man who was hitting a woman to make him stop. They'd find some other means so they wouldn't get hit, too.

Or you find out that your Boyfriend lied to you about loving you, wanting a child with you and marry you, while in reality, he loves your best friend.

That doesn't cause me to raise my fists. It causes me to break up with the sod and go cry for a few days. What good would it do to hit anyone? "Oh, now that you've pummeled me, I see the error of my ways and vow undying love to you alone." Yeah, that'll happen.

Or you see people killing little innocent seals by beating them to death. Watching that makes me so angry that I would shoot those people immediately if I was there.

Yeah, well, I don't go to seal hunts or watch them. I doubt, again, that violence would help matters any, and besides, you think I'm going to take my fists to a bunch of guys who have clubs? Are you nuts?

Fail, Oliver.

 

[slingblade]

Well, you used violence to protect yourself after all, so violence did have a purpose despite your non-violent believes - and according to your own account, right?

Oliver, you're playing Waffles, and you're doing it very, very badly.

Every time Chill answers you, you change the question in an attempt to make it seem she hasn't answered at all.

You're the only one who doesn't seem to get this, Oliver, and you look like a right fool.

ETA my evidence:

Again, you never came into a situation in which you [as a pacifist] used violence, right?

Yes, you have been in situations in which you resorted to violence. But I ask you again: have you been in a situation in which you did NOT resort violence? ... No.

Which are you asking, Oliver?

 

[Morrigan]

Fail, Oliver.

You just described his entire post history, I think.

 

[slingblade]

Evidence that women like being hit (And more than once)

That's just evidence that one trailer trash chick has no clue what she's saying.
Dear god, you think BRITTNEY is a spokesperson for anything even remotely resembling thought?

Or were you just trying to be cute, because cute in regards to violence is so de rigueur these days?

 

[slingblade]

You just described his entire post history, I think.

I'm thinking you might be right.

 

[jimbob]

It was the utter stupidity of this post I was responding to.

It wasn't stupid. You just completely misinterpreted what she was saying. Not once did it cross my mind that she was referring to practitioners of martial arts, arm-wrestling contests or other sports. She was responding to a bunch of inane comments made by Skeptic about hitting someone to defend one's manhood after receiving a drink to the face, so maybe you just missed the contest, but, yeah... don't blame her for so thoroughly misunderstanding her post.

Agreed.

In extreme cases, honour killings occur because of a culture that regards women as either "property" or at least the "responsibility" of heir male relatives. In such a situation if a woman choses an "unapproved" boyfriend this reflects badly on the men's honour, so to rectify it they kill the woman. Machismo is a common part of these cultures as well and integral to these concepts.

You have to defend your honour, and that means physical violence against imagined slights. In fact I would go further, and say that traditional ideas of honour almost always went hand in hand with a frequent recourse to violence. Not just against women, but with a whole special category revolving around keeping women in "their place".

 

[slingblade]

Agreed.

In extreme cases, honour killings occur because of a culture that regards women as either "property" or at least the "responsibility" of heir male relatives. In such a situation if a woman choses an "unapproved" boyfriend this reflects badly on the men's honour, so to rectify it they kill the woman. Machismo is a common part of these cultures as well and integral to these concepts.

You have to defend your honour, and that means physical violence against imagined slights. In fact I would go further, and say that traditional ideas of honour almost always went hand in hand with a frequent recourse to violence. Not just against women, but with a whole special category revolving around keeping women in "their place".

This. It's part of the package to which I was referring, and Jimbob says it well.

Thank you, Jimbob, and Morrigan too, for getting it.

 

[jimbob]

I don't think that violence is okay. However, I do understand why people who normally are against violence come into situations where they were violent nonetheless.

You never came into such a situation ... fine. There is nothing more to add from my side since you're pretty much talking from a hypothetical point of view. Bye.

Eight posts by oliver after that "bye"...

Fail, Oliver

You just described his entire post history, I think.

Oliver, if you are in a hole, stop digging.

And your first post in this thread was crass in the extreme. But I fear it was a sincere description of your attitude. If ever the little green smiley was indicative of a stupid post that one was.

 

[jimbob]

As to the question of the "bravery" of Chillzero and Slingblade.

By posting in this thread, with their personal stories, they have exposed themselves to insults. qayak demonstrated this pretty well.

Now you might say that there is the protection of anonymity but there is still a fair bit of emotional capital invested in this forum.

So yes, merely by posting their stories they have demonstrated moral courage.

 

[Ron_Tomkins]

That's just evidence that one trailer trash chick has no clue what she's saying.
Dear god, you think BRITTNEY is a spokesperson for anything even remotely resembling thought?

Or were you just trying to be cute, because cute in regards to violence is so de rigueur these days?

Er.... is your Joke Detector set on off?
Lower your argument guard for a second. Otherwise you may not detect them.

 

[Eyeron]

People don't appreciate jokes around here.

You have to be serious at all times.

 

[slingblade]

Er.... is your Joke Detector set on off?
Lower your argument guard for a second. Otherwise you may not detect them.

I detected it. YOU failed to detect this isn't a laughing matter.

 

[slingblade]

People don't appreciate jokes around here.

You have to be serious at all times.

This is a topic for humor?

So, when you hit your woman, how hard do you laugh?

 

[Ron_Tomkins]

I detected it. YOU failed to detect this isn't a laughing matter.

And who decides this isn't a laughing matter? You?

Let me tell you a little bit about the difference between joking about a subject and making fun of a specific human being's tragedy
Actually.... let George say it:

 

[slingblade]

And who decides this isn't a laughing matter? You?

When you're talking about MY sense of humor, and asking if MY joke detector is on, then YES, I DO decide when it isn't a laughing matter.

Duh.

 

[chillzero]

sling, he was not mocking you or your experiences.

 

[Eyeron]

This is a topic for humor?

Sigh, no this was not a topic for humor. It was a serious question meant for a serious discussion.

 

[slingblade]

Guess I can't tell, then. Maybe it'd be better for all if I'd stop caring.

 

[Belz...]

What good would it do to hit anyone? "Oh, now that you've pummeled me, I see the error of my ways and vow undying love to you alone." Yeah, that'll happen.

You've apparently never watched "On Deadly Ground" with Steven Seagal.

 

[Belz...]

That's just evidence that one trailer trash chick has no clue what she's saying.
Dear god, you think BRITTNEY is a spokesperson for anything even remotely resembling thought?

Or were you just trying to be cute, because cute in regards to violence is so de rigueur these days?

I don't presume to speak for Ron's intentions but, nothing is above satire...

... tough I admit there are a few things I'd be hesitant to laugh about.