Hitting A Woman?

Belz... said:
I don't presume to speak for Ron's intentions but, nothing is above satire...

... tough I admit there are a few things I'd be hesitant to laugh about.
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Jokes about misogynistic violence, or racist violence (on a thread with victims of such violence) perhaps?
 
Yeah, Ron was just joking, sling. I can understand that you can't find humour in the subject matter and I respect that, but I'm fairly certain he didn't mean anything malicious nor did he mean to make fun of you or your experience.
 
Morrigan said:
Yeah, Ron was just joking, sling. I can understand that you can't find humour in the subject matter and I respect that, but I'm fairly certain he didn't mean anything malicious nor did he mean to make fun of you or your experience.
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Yup.
As matter of fact I hadn't even been following the thread, so I didn't even know Slingblade had an experience, let alone that it had been discussed in this thread.

Again, I repeat: We must know the difference between joking about a topic and making fun of a specific individual's tragedy. Otherwise, silly, unnecessary fights start occurring.

So Sling, once again: I wasn't even aware you had a situation and it was being discussed. I'm just making a silly joke about the subject in general.
Don't take it personal, mate.
 
Ferguson said:
Last year while at a bar I made a (what I thought was friendly) joke at another's expense, and he threw his drink in my face. As a reaction, I threw mine back in his face, then after a few seconds of angry glaring he walked away, apparently to cool off, it never escalated to violence and there was no need for it to. But I guess neither of us are man enough to join Skeptic's frat. :'(
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Real men don't waste booze.

slingblade said:
Nope, I either didn't express myself well enough, or you read me wrong, or both.
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It was obvious what you were talking about. qayak's the one with the problem. Even if his interpretation were correct, it still wouldn't justify the ad hominem attack.

jimbob said:
You have to defend your honour, and that means physical violence against imagined slights. In fact I would go further, and say that traditional ideas of honour almost always went hand in hand with a frequent recourse to violence. Not just against women, but with a whole special category revolving around keeping women in "their place".
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Indeed a "culture of honorWP" often leads to situations like the famous feuds of the Hatfields and McCoys.
 
jimbob said:
By posting in this thread, with their personal stories, they have exposed themselves to insults. qayak demonstrated this pretty well.
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I think you are mistaken. I don't read minds and was never aware of Slingblade suffering spousal abuse. My "perpetual victim" comment is in reference to the innumerable "Woe Is Me" threads about all the negative life experiences of Slingblade.

If you check back, and I encourage you to do so, I never said anything about Chillzero . . . Nope . . . Nothing . . . Never. :)
 
Ron_Tomkins said:
Yup.
As matter of fact I hadn't even been following the thread, so I didn't even know Slingblade had an experience, let alone that it had been discussed in this thread.
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Yeah, I don't read minds either.
 
Mind reader?

slingblade said:
My first husband used to hit me.

That said, I can't imagine how to answer the question. Every time I think about it, and try to think critically about it, I just see the blood. There's got to be a logical, mature, rational answer.

Damned if I know what it is.
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Edit: that said, this is from early in the thread, and I certainly don't read every post, let alone remember them later. Just trying to make it clear that this was in fact posted.
 
mortimer said:
I'll add that when I think about women being hit, I think of domestic violence, where women are vastly more likely than men to be victims. I don't think it particularly sexist to point that out.
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Wrong.

http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

REFERENCES EXAMINING ASSAULTS BY WOMEN ON THEIR SPOUSES OR MALE PARTNERS:
AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY


Martin S. Fiebert
Department of Psychology
California State University, Long Beach


Last updated: November 2009


SUMMARY: This bibliography examines 271 scholarly investigations: 211 empirical studies and 60 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 365,000.
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A fairly recent study from the CDC of over 11,000 18-28 year olds:
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/42/15/31.2.full

All relationships - 76.1% non-violent, 23.9% violent

Violent relationships - 50.3% non-reciprocal, 49.7% reciprocal

Relationships with non-reciprocal violence - 70.7% perpetrated by women, 29.3% perpetrated by men
 
mortimer said:
Just to be clear, these men were ridiculed for *not* hitting the woman back? Is that why you hit back, so you wouldn't be ridiculed?
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Women who are victims of domestic violence are looked on with sympathy. Men who are victims of domestic violence are seen as less manly and are frequently ridiculed.

Men who are victims of domestic violence can't defend themselves because of the way domestic violence prosecution works. If the man uses violence in response to violence from his domestic partner, he will be the one arrested. If a man is in a marriage, has children, and his wife is violent, if he leaves the woman he will likely end up with limited or no custody of his children and be unable to protect them. If he decides to call the police, chances are that he will be the one arrested for domestic violence, even if he engaged in no violence at all.

ABC News hidden camera footage to see how people react to a women assaulting a man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hn-wL6hPq8

The basic response was "he must have deserved it".
 
Roboramma said:
Do those studies say anything about the severity of the violence?
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The meta study itself doesn't delve into that. I have seen several studies that have all pretty consistently come up with a figure of ~66% female victim/33% male victim breakdown of serious injuries. Which makes sense due to larger size and greater strength of males.

ETA: another study (don't have time to find it now, the link is on a different computer) found that the single greatest predictor of whether a woman would have serious injuries as a result of domestic violence was her own initiation of violence. Not the previous history of domestic violence of her partner.
 
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Safe-Keeper said:
Because when they are allowed to carry weapons, they can be expected to react calmly and correctly, calmly drawing their firearm to hit the assailant (and only the assailant) - not to mention that if you hear a gunshot, draw your gun, and turn around, you'd be able to identify the real assailant from the other vigilantes who have also drawn their guns.

Which is why you so often read headlines like "a man pulled out a gun and started shooting, injuring one, and was then killed by seven laser-accurate shots from seven heroic people with concealed weapons", and never headlines such as "a man fired madly on people around him in a mall which must have contained many gun-wielding people. He killed seven and injured twelve before shooting himself".

Oh, wait. You don't:rolleyes:.

ETA: For future reference, reality is not an FPS game.
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Because availability bias is the correct way to form an opinion?
 
KingMerv00 said:
Surely you have some idea.
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I am just saying there are better definitions.

Comedian Dane Cook as a bit about girls describing a part of a boyfriend's body as looking as cute as a baby's arm with its hand in a fist.

There are also better definitions for hitting and even slapping.

The bad definition for hitting should be thown out. It would be great to live in a world where the technical definition of hitting is forgotten and is replaced by the slang:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/tonyfamilia/1001rihanna-id-hit-it.jpg
 
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