Hitting A Woman?

qayak said:
Perhaps you misunderstand how humour works. there must be some unexpected absurdity that makes us laugh. Most jokes are just a reconfiguration of another joke so, let's try it.

[This one has a little fake beating action you will need to do.]

You: Why did Rhianna beat Chris Brown over the head with a high heal?

Anonymous male: I don't know, why?

You: Because he just wouldn't f***ing listen! (At this point you are pretending to beat Anonymous male with your own shoe.)

Or how about a male blond joke?

There are three male construction workers sitting having lunch. One is a blonde, one is a brunette, and one is a readhead.

The brunette says, "My wife is so stupid! She bought 100 pounds of frozen meat and she doesn't even have a freezer to store it!"

The redhead says, "That's nothing. My wife is so stupid she bought a $15,000.00 car and she doesn't even have a drivers licence!"

The blonde says, "That's nothing! My wife is so stupid she is taking a trip to Greece, she packed a case of condoms and she doesn't even have a penis!"
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Nope, I'm still stupid.
 
slingblade said:
Where are the Chris Brown Getting Pummled by a Woman jokes, she asked of no one in particular? I'd like to read some. I bet they are hilarious. Do share, someone.
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Well most people don't even know or remember that he was getting hit in the head with a high heel while he was driving. I didn't until this thread.

No, that doesn't make the beating alright. I'm not saying that. No one is saying that. But it does appear that they are both guilty of domestic abuse and him with the addition of beating her more. If he had more self control he would have just kicked her out of the car.

And people would have still blamed him for the entire thing.
 
Today I came across an example of some joking about domestic violence, combined with the double standard.

This latest column by ESPN.com columnist Bill "the Sports Guy" Simmons includes an insert (supposedly) written by Simmons' wife (referred to as the "Sports Gal.") In it, she says that if Tiger Woods' wife did indeed attack him with a golf club for cheating on her, as people have speculated, that this is praiseworthy behavior:

I told Bill that if he ever cheated on me, I would do the same thing she did, only I would attack the car with his League of Dorks trophy and keep hitting him with it until he stopped breathing. I then tweeted this so he knew I was serious.

"Now Mrs. Tiger is being portrayed as a crazy loon. Isn't she a hero? Did you see the parade of skanks that Tiger cheated on her with? Each one looked like she came with her own pole and lip plumper. Mrs. Tiger could have looked the other way and said, 'I am just lucky to live in America in this big mansion with my wealthy and famous husband who wins many golf tournaments. I will get back at him by having sex with cabana boys and masseurs.' Instead she stood up on behalf of women everywhere. Just because you are rich, famous and successful doesn't mean you get to humiliate your wife and kids.

"I wish Mrs. Tiger would admit what she did, if she did anything. She won't because Florida has strong domestic violence laws. California does not. If Bill ever follows Tiger's skank-chasing footsteps, I am going to beat him to death with his 2.8-pound book, while also having sex with cabana boys and masseurs. There will be no mystery about what happened.
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It should be noted that (1) this column attempts to be humorous, so there's no particular reason to think that Mrs. Simmons is sincere in her promises to commit violence; and (2) there's no particular reason to believe that Mr. Simmons didn't just write this himself and attribute it to his wife.

But nobody would think it funny if a male columnist said -- jokingly or otherwise -- that he would beat his wife to death with a blunt object if she cheated on him.

I don't have a particular point I'm trying to make. I agree with linked video from George Carlin that nothing is necessarily off-limits for humor if it's done in the right way. And I'm not saying that female-on-male violence is as big a problem as male-on-female (the evidence on that seems mixed from what little I've seen). I just put it out there for comment.
 
slingblade said:
Nope, I'm still stupid.
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Not that I disagree :eye-poppi but I just want it to be clear for the mods that you said this, not me. Don't want them censoring my posts or threatening me with violence that I think they are too wimpy to carry out anyway. :D
 
Dunstan said:
Today I came across an example of some joking about domestic violence, combined with the double standard.

This latest column by ESPN.com columnist Bill "the Sports Guy" Simmons includes an insert (supposedly) written by Simmons' wife (referred to as the "Sports Gal.") In it, she says that if Tiger Woods' wife did indeed attack him with a golf club for cheating on her, as people have speculated, that this is praiseworthy behavior:



It should be noted that (1) this column attempts to be humorous, so there's no particular reason to think that Mrs. Simmons is sincere in her promises to commit violence; and (2) there's no particular reason to believe that Mr. Simmons didn't just write this himself and attribute it to his wife.

But nobody would think it funny if a male columnist said -- jokingly or otherwise -- that he would beat his wife to death with a blunt object if she cheated on him.

I don't have a particular point I'm trying to make. I agree with linked video from George Carlin that nothing is necessarily off-limits for humor if it's done in the right way. And I'm not saying that female-on-male violence is as big a problem as male-on-female (the evidence on that seems mixed from what little I've seen). I just put it out there for comment.
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I agree, I think there would be a big uproar if the genders were reversed. However, that doesn't take away from the humor for me. Let's face it, not every woman is willing to turn a blind eye to their husband's cheating, no matter how great a role model they think Jackie Kennedy was.

I also think the idea of the greatest and, richest, golfer in history was taken out by an angry wife . . . with a golf club. Do I want her to hit him again? NO! But it has already happened and we can't do much about it, except laugh . . . or not.

I thought the picture in the paper of the young, great looking blonde standing at the gate to the community where Tiger lives, holding a sign that said, "Tiger, they offered me $500,000 . . . but I'm keeping my mouth shut!" was freakin' hilarious. Even if it was a staged photo by a radio personality.

http://www.canada.com/life/Gallery+Tiger+damaged/2297957/story.html
 
qayak said:
Not that I disagree :eye-poppi but I just want it to be clear for the mods that you said this, not me. Don't want them censoring my posts or threatening me with violence that I think they are too wimpy to carry out anyway. :D
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Yes, because I'm so concerned about how you would characterize me.

I've got all this history, but it simply pales in comparison to this thread and your attitude, you betcha. Never in my life have I suffered anything more devastating than your low opinion of me. Oh, dear, whatever shall I do.


...by the way, in case you missed all that, let me translate: I'm one of the dumbest women who ever drew a breath, but I have enough sense not to care what you think of me.

Oh, one last thing. I wasn't going to, but I've changed my mind...Qayak, I won't be seeing your posts anymore.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
I think it is wierd that we even have to wonder when it is ever ok
to hit anyone.
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Completely agree.

Bill Thompson said:
As far as self defense, just run away. We have police for a reason.
If you are hurt, get some photos taken at the local police station
and have them haul away the brute.
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Wow. That simple, eh?
hmmmm..... not really, I am sorry to inform you.
I believe I have already commented on such matters.

I could ask you just how someone is mean to simply run away in various circumstances ..... but again this would likely divert the discussion back to focussing on domestic violence as opposed to violence ingeneral, but I would hope you'd understand that it isn't always possible to remove yourself from a small locked area in which you are being beaten.


Oh ... and many abusers don't leave bruises for evidence either.

Bill Thompson said:
As far as a case where someone is out to kill you, I have to ask this.
Do you think hitting them back will make them stop or just make them angrier?

Crime tech is very good these days. So even if you are martyred in the
cause of peace, the killer will probably not get away.

We all die anyway, there is no better way to go than to die for
the cause of passive resistance. It is what makes heroes out of
people like Gandhi and MLK.
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I preferred to keep myself alive to see my daughter grow, thank you very much, and I doubt anyone would have remembered me if I hadn't. How many 'martyred' victims of domestic violence who did not fight back can you name? Normal, non-celebrity, people who died at the hands of their partners?
 
slingblade said:
Yes, because I'm so concerned about how you would characterize me.
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Oh, one last thing. I wasn't going to, but I've changed my mind...Qayak, I won't be seeing your posts anymore.
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this is probably best, sling.
I doubt anyone would disagree that qayak's first comment about you was completely out of line, but you should both just put an end to this at this point.
 
chillzero said:
this is probably best, sling.
I doubt anyone would disagree that qayak's first comment about you was completely out of line, but you should both just put an end to this at this point.
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Yes. I had already decided that, Chill, but thank you for the advice.
 
chillzero said:
I preferred to keep myself alive to see my daughter grow, thank you very much, and I doubt anyone would have remembered me if I hadn't. How many 'martyred' victims of domestic violence who did not fight back can you name? Normal, non-celebrity, people who died at the hands of their partners?
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I do not that is thinking things through. Where would be be as a society if everyone thought this way? Martin Luther King did not think this way and I think his sacrifice was worth it, even for his kids sake.

We are talking about a very unlikely event anyway, if you give people love and understanding, it will be one in several hundred million that you will find yourself cornered where you will have to hit someone.

So you have a choice. There are better odds of you dying in a car wreck. Think of it this way. Go out as a martyr for the sake of peace when people will rally in support of your daughter or survive and maybe die the next day in a car wreck such that noone will care.
 
Piscivore said:
I defined it in this very thread. I guess I overestimated you.
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No you did not.

And how did you overestimate me?

How many languages can you speak, ass wipe?

I looked it up in my translation dictionary. Shouldn't all good fathers be ass wipes? It should be a compliment. Why should we let our wives take care of our infants?

So you want to insult someone who believes in peace, love and understanding. Is this what you call an ass wipe?
 
Bill Thompson said:
I do not that is thinking things through. Where would be be as a society if everyone thought this way? Martin Luther King did not think this way and I think his sacrifice was worth it, even for his kids sake.
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Where would society be if everyone thought the same?
To say, "we would be poorer without people like X" is very different than saying "everyone should be like X". Can you not see that?

We are talking about a very unlikely event anyway, if you give people love and understanding, it will be one in several hundred million that you will find yourself cornered where you will have to hit someone.
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I have a feeling that number came off of one of the asswipes piscivore mentioned.

So you have a choice. There are better odds of you dying in a car wreck. Think of it this way. Go out as a martyr for the sake of peace when people will rally in support of your daughter or survive and maybe die the next day in a car wreck such that noone will care.
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"You could possibly die in a car accident, therefore you should be happy to be beaten to death"?

Seriously?
 
Bill Thompson said:
I do not that is thinking things through. Where would be be as a society if everyone thought this way? Martin Luther King did not think this way and I think his sacrifice was worth it, even for his kids sake.
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Excuse me, but I believe that Martin Luther King ... apart from being very well known globally when he died, was actually shot by someone from a bit of a distance ..... so, not exactly comparable with having been beaten to death by his partner 'for the good of the cause', is it?

I'll ask you again, how many people can you name who were beaten to death and in the process martyred by their partner, so that all the rest of us can be more aware of the disgrace of domestic abuse?

Bill Thompson said:
So you have a choice. There are better odds of you dying in a car wreck. Think of it this way. Go out as a martyr for the sake of peace when people will rally in support of your daughter or survive and maybe die the next day in a car wreck such that noone will care.
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People would have rallied around my daughter, yes. And the chances are that on at least one of the occasions my ex tried to kill me that it could have been ruled an accident, and on aother possibly suicide. In any case I kept my abuse secret from everyone, so he would then have had custody of my daughter. Yeah .... you're real smart on thinking these things through. :rolleyes:

So ... let's review your logic. I should have let him kill me, so that I would be martyred for the cause of raising awareness of domestic abuse .... except that no one would ever have heard of me, or cared, or said anything other than 'she must have deserved it' or 'she was an idiot to stay' .... or alternatively I should have let him kill me just in case I would have been killed by a car the next day instead. hmmm.... funny that I am still alive here now (no car got me either), and I feel I can do much more for 'the cause' by raising awareness as a survivor . Oh - and I can also ensure my daughter is raised safely.
 
Bill Thompson said:
I do not that is thinking things through. Where would be be as a society if everyone thought this way? Martin Luther King did not think this way and I think his sacrifice was worth it, even for his kids sake.

We are talking about a very unlikely event anyway, if you give people love and understanding, it will be one in several hundred million that you will find yourself cornered where you will have to hit someone.

So you have a choice. There are better odds of you dying in a car wreck. Think of it this way. Go out as a martyr for the sake of peace when people will rally in support of your daughter or survive and maybe die the next day in a car wreck such that noone will care.
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Did you actually read Chilzero's story?

This story shows that in the UK about 70 women and 30 men were killed by their partner in a year.


Hardly hundreds of millions to one against.

What are the odds of someone being hurt by a partner if the partner has already assaulted them before?

That would be more relevant to Chilzero's case.
 
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