Jimbo07
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I don't think there's a limit. Someone could propose one again fairly quickly. At that point it comes down to politics...
... Like so!
Has Boris gone yet?
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I don't think there's a limit. Someone could propose one again fairly quickly. At that point it comes down to politics...
... Like so!
Apparently the most recent 'precedent' - though it is, of course, somewhat remote - was the 1975 Dismissal of the Australian Prime Minister
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis
I don't pretend to fully understand the constitutional issues involved.
The one he survived is nothing to do with our government or parliament, it was an internal affair of the Conservative party.
I cannot shake the feeling he will at some point try to invoke 'having a mandate' to justify going on as PM regardless of the leadership contest. Unless it is actually a written rule that the leader of the majority party must be PM rather than just another of those gentlemen's agreements that turn out to count for bugger all.
ponderingturtle
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And everyone seems sure that there is not support to dissolve the government and call new elections. So how do you stop him from holding on until the Tories pick a new leader?
Rolfe
Adult human female
You can't as far as I can see.
There are no written rules. Theoretically the Prime Minister is just the monarch's prime advisor. In practice, 1640 and 1688 showed that actually Parliament can replace the monarch. And if the monarch used their theoretical powers, they would have to be ready for the UK to become a republic or for Parliament to depose them. I guess there could be situations where the population thinks it's the right thing to do, but republican sentiment would almost certainly strengthen - just as it did in Australia after the 1975 constitutional crisis where the Governor General used the Crown powers as the monarch's representative in Australia.
If someone goes to the Queen able to command a majority in Parliament, then they are the PM. And that would be the leader of the Tory party.
Well:
But
The 1922 Committee can change the rules for who leads the Parliamentary Conservative Party. That could presumably include there being the deputy PM standing in until the new leader is chosen. Johnson wouldn't have any influence on this beyond his personality.
Whenever parliament wants. And he will undoubtably lose one now.
Not remote for me!
The Queen signed off on the dismissal of Gough Whitlam even though he still had the confidence of the House. The Senate was making things difficult, but he could still govern.
The treachery of the Palace have left wounds that are still there.
The Queen did it in 1975 to a PM with the support of the House. She can do it again when a no confidence vote happens.
I know this is tangential, but when Betty shuffles off, Australia will become a republic in short order.
Vixen
Penultimate Amazing
Had to laugh at this analysis in the GUARDIAN:
If you recall, Javid's resignation letter began, 'Enough is enough'. Pur-lease. Nothing original about it and totally cliché-ridden.
You hold one of the highest jobs in the land. Your boss admits that as Foreign Secretary he met Alexander Lebedev, a Russian asset, in private without his aides. The highest offence in the land that a person can be charged with is High Treason. Then there are a hundred and one other major issues surrounding the limpet prime minister. And all Sajid can come out with is a lame, pathetic, trite meaningless soundbite, 'Enough is enough'.
As if Sasha is going to be quaking in his shoes at this seemingly mighty authority figure and his damning admonition.
Enough is enough.
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If you recall, Javid's resignation letter began, 'Enough is enough'. Pur-lease. Nothing original about it and totally cliché-ridden.
You hold one of the highest jobs in the land. Your boss admits that as Foreign Secretary he met Alexander Lebedev, a Russian asset, in private without his aides. The highest offence in the land that a person can be charged with is High Treason. Then there are a hundred and one other major issues surrounding the limpet prime minister. And all Sajid can come out with is a lame, pathetic, trite meaningless soundbite, 'Enough is enough'.
As if Sasha is going to be quaking in his shoes at this seemingly mighty authority figure and his damning admonition.
Enough is enough.
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Carrot Flower King
Janitor of Lunacy
Am I the only one who thinks that BlowJob has considered standing in the Tory leadership contest?
His narcissistic ego, as evidenced by Schrodinger's Resignation, seems to tell him that he remains the only man (sic) for the job.
His narcissistic ego, as evidenced by Schrodinger's Resignation, seems to tell him that he remains the only man (sic) for the job.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Love Jonathan Pie.
Boris is a "desperate, sad, talentless flag-shagger".
I wonder, though. Desperate? He's always lived like this, lying and chancing it to stay one step ahead of opprobrium, and he's always managed it. It got him to the top job in the land and more wealth than any of us can dream about.
Sad? Same thing. We're sad at the idea that we could ever be like him, we think we'd be sad if we were him, but is he sad? I don't think so. I think he's still Mr Toad in full flow driving the racing car.
The rules would need to be changed for that to happen, but yes I also think he's envisioning a glorious return backed by his loving party members and when scores could be settled.
I think HE thinks he's still Mr Toad in full flow.
Meanwhile Dominic Cummings (so YMMV) says that Johnson also secretly met Lebedev in 2020.
As much as I enjoy pissing on Boris’ grave I was speaking to an English Labour supporter today. She did point out some pluses of his regime.
He got vaccines out quickly, faster than the US and much faster than boofhead Morrison.
He initiated the 80% wage subsidy. If he didn’t boofhead Morrison would not have followed suit and the Australian economy would have been ruined.
He opened up immediately the science supported it, unlike many other countries which dithered.
Yes Boris is a clown, but I think these decisions were proven correct.
He got vaccines out quickly, faster than the US and much faster than boofhead Morrison.
He initiated the 80% wage subsidy. If he didn’t boofhead Morrison would not have followed suit and the Australian economy would have been ruined.
He opened up immediately the science supported it, unlike many other countries which dithered.
Yes Boris is a clown, but I think these decisions were proven correct.
No, losing a confidence vote in parliament (as opposed to in the Conservative party) would mean dissolving the parliament, not just Johnson stepping down, so the Tories would be unlikely to vote no confidence. However, it is still a threat that Starmer can use, since it would be at least inconvenient.
It also makes the Tories look bad.
"Yes I don't trust the PM and think he is unfit but I support him in office"