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Has Boris gone yet?

zooterkin said:
No, losing a confidence vote in parliament (as opposed to in the Conservative party) would mean dissolving the parliament, not just Johnson stepping down, so the Tories would be unlikely to vote no confidence. However, it is still a threat that Starmer can use, since it would be at least inconvenient.
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I understand that, but think the Tories are in such dire straits and don’t look like improving any time soon, that enough Tory MPs could vote no confidence just to rid themselves of the Boris anchor. As a number here have observed his resignation doesn’t mean he’s gone.
 
lionking said:
I understand that, but think the Tories are in such dire straits and don’t look like improving any time soon, that enough Tory MPs could vote no confidence just to rid themselves of the Boris anchor. As a number here have observed his resignation doesn’t mean he’s gone.
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He's inadvertently managing to set up more scandals now everything has stated to unwind. The admission about secretly meeting Lebedev is apparently a big topic in Westminster
 
Rolfe said:
I wonder, though. Desperate? He's always lived like this, lying and chancing it to stay one step ahead of opprobrium, and he's always managed it. It got him to the top job in the land and more wealth than any of us can dream about.

Sad? Same thing. We're sad at the idea that we could ever be like him, we think we'd be sad if we were him, but is he sad? I don't think so. I think he's still Mr Toad in full flow driving the racing car.
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Indeed - why should he think he can't have his own way now, all his life he has done what he has wanted with no thought to consequences.
 
jimbob said:
I think HE thinks he's still Mr Toad in full flow.

Meanwhile Dominic Cummings (so YMMV) says that Johnson also secretly met Lebedev in 2020.
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Johnson admitted to this in front of the committee - a UK foreign minister arranging a meeting with no officials present with an ex-KGB official following a chemical attack on the UK by Russia. What could be dodgy about that?
 
Darat said:
Johnson admitted to this in front of the committee - a UK foreign minister arranging a meeting with no officials present with an ex-KGB official following a chemical attack on the UK by Russia. What could be dodgy about that?
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No, THAT was the 2018 meeting, not an alleged one in 2020 when he was PM.
 
Boris is presently lingering, like a bad smell, a poo that will not flush.
 
lionking said:
As much as I enjoy pissing on Boris’ grave I was speaking to an English Labour supporter today. She did point out some pluses of his regime.

He got vaccines out quickly, faster than the US and much faster than boofhead Morrison.

He initiated the 80% wage subsidy. If he didn’t boofhead Morrison would not have followed suit and the Australian economy would have been ruined.

He opened up immediately the science supported it, unlike many other countries which dithered.

Yes Boris is a clown, but I think these decisions were proven correct.
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To quote John Oliver, "Sometimes terrible people can have good qualities, like the way Bill Cosby taught us all about delicious Jell-O Pudding Pops, or the way Roger Ailes is dead".
 
lionking said:
He got vaccines out quickly, faster than the US and much faster than boofhead Morrison.
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That had little to do with BlowJob: it was down to national and local NHS organisation, volunteers and the pharmaceutical companies. Those were the folk who actually did it all; BlowJob pontificated in front of a lectern, clearly having little idea what the medics and scientists next to him were saying.

We happen to still have an organised healthcare system only because the likes of BlowJob and his cronies haven't been able to dismantle it.

ETA Remember that BlowJob was the one who missed 5 COBRA meetings at the start of the pandemic, was the one who publicly stated that he would ignore official guidelines from his own government and advisors about social distancing and physical contact, was party to ignoring the Cygnus recommendations on dealing with a potential pandemic and more. Anything good about this country's response to Covid is despite NOT because of him.
 
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lionking said:
As much as I enjoy pissing on Boris’ grave I was speaking to an English Labour supporter today. She did point out some pluses of his regime.

He got vaccines out quickly, faster than the US and much faster than boofhead Morrison.

He initiated the 80% wage subsidy. If he didn’t boofhead Morrison would not have followed suit and the Australian economy would have been ruined.

He opened up immediately the science supported it, unlike many other countries which dithered.

Yes Boris is a clown, but I think these decisions were proven correct.
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Rolfe said:
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Yes I get this. Half the population in Australia have had covid and people are still dying. But we couldn’t stay locked down forever and the public was supportive of opening up.

Do you know of any opinion polls relating to the timing of easing restrictions in the UK? I’ll bet the public would have been very supportive.
 
I have to wonder if some bombshells we have not heard about yet but are forthcoming are what convinced BoJo to quit.
 
dudalb said:
I have to wonder if some bombshells we have not heard about yet but are forthcoming are what convinced BoJo to quit.
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I think it just was the simple matter of 55 MPs or so resigning from their government roles in two days. That’s usually enough.
 
Lionking said:
Yes I get this. Half the population in Australia have had covid and people are still dying. But we couldn’t stay locked down forever and the public was supportive of opening up.

Do you know of any opinion polls relating to the timing of easing restrictions in the UK? I’ll bet the public would have been very supportive.
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It's not just about the timing of the easing of restrictions. It's about the timing of bringing them in, and about the attitude that if we're not locking down we're not doing anything else either.

The death toll here has been and continues to be horrific. But there are plenty other countries in the same ball park who are taking the same insane approach to mitigations.
 
Rolfe said:
It's not just about the timing of the easing of restrictions.
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I’m sure it was just a coincidence that he announced the pubs would reopen just when he needed something to distract attention from Dom’s excursion to County Durham.
 
We know what to do to keep this thing in check. Vaccinations, ventiation, masks. We've not done too badly so far on vaccinations, but mask recommendations have never been strict enough and were thrown away much too soon, and the importance of ventilation has never been taken on board at all. (Also other ways of improving air quality like HEPA filters.)

Lots and lots of countries are nearly as bad, but I'm not prepared to praise any leader for their covid response if they can't get the air quality thing sorted. Also if they just witter on about "face coverings" without specifying FFP2 or better.
 
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