Haig and his Sun caused earthquakes

[Haig]

what is missing is the demonstrable mechanism that links electromagnetism and earthquakes

That's what Ben Davidson has been doing for the last two years, collecting data .

I hear that a paper is just about to be put out by him and his colleagues on that very point.

 

[Reality Check]

Haig: Ben Davidson is ignorant about databases of solar activity and earthquake data

That's what Ben Davidson has been doing for the last two years, collecting data .

No, Haig: Ben Davidson has spent the last 2 years spewing out deluded videos.
Rumors about an possibly imaginary paper does not change the deluded content of the videos.
9 June 2015 Haig: Why Ben Davidson's Sun -> earthquake videos are evidence of his delusions (not science!)

Thanks for revealing just how idiotic Ben Davidson is being, Haig.
Years of research and he does not know that there are databases full of solar activity and earthquake data !
Does he have the delusion that the Sun has been causing earthquakes only in the last 2 years?
Maybe he is a paranoiac PC/EU crank and thinks that all of the existing data is faked?

11 June 2015 Haig: Ben Davidson is ignorant about databases of solar activity and earthquake data!

 

[Haig]

No, Haig: Ben Davidson has spent the last 2 years spewing out deluded videos.
Rumors about an possibly imaginary paper does not change the deluded content of the videos.
9 June 2015 Haig: Why Ben Davidson's Sun -> earthquake videos are evidence of his delusions (not science!)

Thanks for revealing just how idiotic Ben Davidson is being, Haig.
Years of research and he does not know that there are databases full of solar activity and earthquake data !
Does he have the delusion that the Sun has been causing earthquakes only in the last 2 years?
Maybe he is a paranoiac PC/EU crank and thinks that all of the existing data is faked?

11 June 2015 Haig: Ben Davidson is ignorant about databases of solar activity and earthquake data!

Don't be so sure, it's not only him RC

I understand and expect "the paper" from Ben Davidson et al to be published in a peer reviewed journal

 

[Reality Check]

Don't be so sure, it's not only him RC

So a group of people are ignorant rather than just Ben Davidson, Haig!
11 June 2015 Haig: Ben Davidson and his "group" are ignorant about databases of solar activity and earthquake data!
9 June 2015 Haig: Why Ben Davidson's Sun -> earthquake videos are evidence of his delusions (not science!)

A fantasy from you that there will be a paper does not mean that it will exist.
A delusion from you that crank papers are never published does not mean that this so far imaginary crank paper will or will not be published .
11 June 2014 Haig: An example of how a totally deluded idea can be published (the Sun has a rigid iron surface) !

For that matter obviously invalid papers can be published if the authors select the "right" journal:
4th March 2015 Haig: Tavares, M. and Azevedo, A. (2011) was debunked by Carlos A. Vargas, Emanuel D. Kästle (2012)

ETA: Trend of major earthquakes during the period 1900–2011 and its association with some solar and geomagnetic parameters

The paper presents long term trend of major earthquake (magnitude ≥6 Richter scale) occurrence throughout world. Analysis shows that occurrence trend decreases during the period 1900–1962, afterwards the trend increases. Solar coronal index, geomagnetic disturbance indices (Kp, Ap index) follow the opposite trend during the above mentioned period. Possible explanation is presented.

This paper finds an anti-correlation (decreasing solar activity = more earthquakes !)

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Hilarious performance, haig. You never made any claims about Electromagnets until I made vague and totally unquantified assertions that suggested a possible way to use magnets.

You shouldn't hitch your wagon to my hobbyhorsey. The wheel on the end of his stick needs greasing.

The only way magnets would cause, trigger or modulate earthquakes would require forces capable of shifting the iron-nickle core of the earth within the highly compressed molten rock mantle around it. I'll leave the mechanical and magnetic force calculations for you.

 

[Ziggurat]

The electromagnetic force is approximately 10^36 times stronger than the earth's gravitational field!

This is not even wrong. It's completely meaningless. You're comparing things with different units, one of which isn't even specified.

Is a foot heavier than a Kelvin?

Electromagnetic waves are strongly interacting with normal matter, making them easy to detect; but they are readily absorbed or scattered by intervening matter.

The fundamental field in electromagnetism is an electric force field.

Looking good for the mechanism for Solar events triggering earthquakes, volcanoes & major storms here on Earth don't you think Trakar ?

The fact that electromagnetic fields are easy to detect means we should easily detect any such fields which are large enough to cause earthquakes. Yet we don't. Therefore, it doesn't seem likely, it seems impossible.

 

[Belz...]

I see Haig no longer responds to my posts. Typical.

 

[Reality Check]

This is not even wrong. It's completely meaningless. You're comparing things with different units, one of which isn't even specified.

Obsessing with the relative strength of the gravitational and electromagnetic interactions is one thing that shows how deluded electric universe people can be. Denying how the gravitational and electromagnetic interactions act in the real world is delusional.

They should obsess with the fact that the strong interaction is stronger than the electromagnetic interaction and so it should be a "strong universe"

 

[ferd burfle]

Haig, I found a cause of earthquakes more likely than yours.

From the BBC News app this morning:

Naked mountain photo climbers jailed
Last updated 3 hours ago

British student Eleanor Hawkins (R), 24, and Canadian Lindsey Petersen (L), 23, arrive at court
A large media scrum awaited the travellers as they arrived at court, as Daniel Boettcher reports
Four tourists who posed naked on a mountain in Malaysia have been given jail terms and fined.

Briton Eleanor Hawkins, Canadians Lindsey and Danielle Peterson, and Dutchman Dylan Snel admitted causing a public disturbance.

The group was blamed for a magnitude 5.9 earthquake after stripping on Mount Kinabalu, which is considered sacred.

 

[Ziggurat]

Haig, I found a cause of earthquakes more likely than yours.

From the BBC News app this morning:

Dude... you've totally nailed it! Those "squatter man" cave paintings the EUtards keep ranting about as representing some plasma z-pinch thing? It's just naked people causing earthquakes!

 

[Trakar]

Haig, I found a cause of earthquakes more likely than yours.

From the BBC News app this morning:

Ah yes, The "big gang bang" theory of earthquakes
(did the "mountain move" for you?)

 

[aleCcowaN]

Nope RC - I'm just following the suggestion of the OP by aleCcowaN btw What happened to him ?

Kris Lucas: -"If God made everything, then why are some things bad, like, for example, the whole pain-and-suffering thing?"

Arlen Faber (The Answer Man) - "Opposites.

Without things that suck, you would have no idea what good was and therefore would be directionless.
​

You smell ****, and you walk the other way."

​

I started the thread to give the forum some organization. Then, I walked the other way. Capisce?

 

[Haig]

Kris Lucas: -"If God made everything, then why are some things bad, like, for example, the whole pain-and-suffering thing?"

Arlen Faber (The Answer Man) - "Opposites.

Without things that suck, you would have no idea what good was and therefore would be directionless.
​

You smell ****, and you walk the other way."

​

I started the thread to give the forum some organization. Then, I walked the other way. Capisce?

Well aleCcowaN, your efforts have been rewarded

Excuse my absence and non-response to questions asked of me. I'm busy just now but expect to have more time soon when I will get back to those genuine posters. Meanwhile consider this ...

The Sun and Earthquakes Video AND a link to read the actual long awaited paper pdf.... enjoy ....

THE SUN AND M8+ EARTHQUAKES: THE SPF TRIGGER

August 3, 2015 This page contains the result of more than 19 months of work. On this page you will find a manuscript prepared by Ben Davidson, Dr. Christopher Holloman, and Dr. Kongpop U-yen, detailing a study of the Solar Polar Magnetic Fields and their relationship to M8+ earthquakes. This manuscript and the accompanying resources are 100% open-source publications.

Relationship Between M8+ Earthquake Occurrences and the Solar Polar Magnetic Fields Davidson, Ben, U-yen, Kongpop, Holloman, Christopher PDF HERE

Abstract
The solar polar fields (SPF) data, as measured by the Wilcox Solar Observatory (WSO), has been studied and compared with the large magnitude earthquake record from the United States Geological Survey. The time period covers the 38 years (+13,600 days) that the WSO has collected the SPF data. This study reveals a dependence of M8.0+ seismicity on the oscillations of the SPF; the results and analysis is reported.

 

[Haig]

Open letter to seismologists, geologists, geophysicists, planetary and space weather scientists.
August 3, 2015

 

[Reality Check]

Well aleCcowaN, your efforts have been rewarded

Well, Haig, your ignorance has fooled you once again into believing the claims in deluded videos !
11 June 2015 Haig: Ben Davidson and his "group" are ignorant about databases of solar activity and earthquake data!
9 June 2015 Haig: Why Ben Davidson's Sun -> earthquake videos are evidence of his delusions (not science!)
11 June 2014 Haig: An example of how a totally deluded idea can be published (the Sun has a rigid iron surface) !
4th March 2015 Haig: Tavares, M. and Azevedo, A. (2011) was debunked by Carlos A. Vargas, Emanuel D. Kästle (2012)
Trend of major earthquakes during the period 1900–2011 and its association with some solar and geomagnetic parameters ( an anti-correlation (decreasing solar activity = more earthquakes !)

We now have the idiocy that a PDF on a web site is scientific literature !

The PDF basically lies. p-value

In statistics, the p-value is a function of the observed sample results (a statistic) that is used for testing a statistical hypothesis. Before the test is performed, a threshold value is chosen, called the significance level of the test, traditionally 5% or 1% [1] and denoted as α.

If the p-value is equal to or smaller than the significance level (α), it suggests that the observed data are inconsistent with the assumption that the null hypothesis is true and thus that hypothesis must be rejected (but this does not automatically mean the alternative hypothesis can be accepted as true).

(my emphasis added)
They get a p-value of 0.000015 but go on to assume that the alternative hypothesis is correct.

 

[Reality Check]

Open letter to seismologists, geologists, geophysicists, planetary and space weather scientists.
August 3, 2015

Now Ben Davidson goes on about it not being published by Earthquake Science because of some technical difficulties, Haig !

He rather idiotically thinks that asking people on his web site to look at the PDF is peer review. Rational seismologists, geologists, geophysicists, planetary and space weather scientists would not waste their time reading a crank web site to even see that letter.

ETA: A nitpick is that they submitted a paper concerned mainly with statistical analysis to a journal on earthquake science. The reviews would be familiar with the statistical analysis used within earthquake science. They might not be able to pick up any problems with the statistics in this paper.

A real flaw is that the reviewers would not be astrophysicists and so could not see that the proposed explanation of the link is speculative woo. This starts with "The earth orbits the sun in an electric field of charged solar wind known as the heliospheric current sheet or interplanetary current sheet."
The heliospheric current sheet - "the Birkeland currents that supply the Earth's aurora are about a thousand times weaker at a million amperes" and there are no known effects from the heliospheric current sheet. Not even aurora !
The heliospheric current sheet varies on a 25 day cycle at the Earth as the Sun rotates. That is an obvious test of their hypothesis. No evidence of a 25 day cycle in earthquake frequency is produced. It is almost as if the authors were ignorant of basic astrophysics. We do have a economist (Davidson), an electrical engineer (U-yen) and a statistician (Holloman) as authors !

 

[jimbob]

Reality Check, I salute you.

And I have been hanging out on a Turin Shroud thread

 

[Haig]

Is that the best you can come up with RC ?

Sun Eruptions, Quake Watch, Euphrosine | S0 News August 4, 2015

 

[Reality Check]

Is that the best you can come up with RC ?

No - pointing out delusions about science and an obsession with cranks is an ongoing task, Haig!
The delusions are beginning to mount up, Haig:

1. 4 May 2015 Haig: The scientific evidence is that there is no connection between solar activity and earthquakes.
2. 13 May 2015 Haig: The fantasies of Suspicious0bservers are not scientific evidence!
3. 27 May 2015 Haig: Can you understand that Schnepf et. al is not about the Sun or earthquakes (no matter what delusions Ben Davidson may have about it!) ?
4. 2 June 2015 Haig: Can you understand that ignorant comments on a crank web site are not scientific evidence.
5. 2 June 2015 Haig: Four points of delusion in your 30 May 2015 post
6. 4 June 2015 Haig: Your ignorance about Scott, et. al. and a fantasy about its results does not mean that the Sun causes earthquakes when the scientific evidence is that it does not!.
7. 4 June 2015 Haig: Another abysmal mistake about science (plasma tubes in this case)
8. 4 June 2015 Haig: A fantasy that Mostl et. al. has anything to do with earthquakes.
9. 8 June 2015 Haig: Can you understand that Ben Davison lied about Antarctica ice melting?
10. 9 June 2015 Haig: Why Ben Davidson's Sun -> earthquake videos are evidence of his delusions (not science!)
11. 11 June 2015: Haig: It is idiotic to cite a video of Earth's Role as an Electromagnet and the Creation of Auroras in a thread about the Sun and earthquakes
12. 4 August 2014 Haig: The delusion that a PDF on a crank web site by unqualified authors is scientific literature !

Not a surprise since we have 5 June 2015 Haig: Some of the ignorance, fantasies, delusions and even lies that you have believed in since 2010.

 

[Pixel42]

Is that the best you can come up with RC ?

What RC comes up with is a hundred times better than anything you've ever come up with.