Gravy's "Loose Change" Critique, part deux

Kiwiwriter said:
And the best part its...the girls on the web don't know that the guy at the computer has never bathed, doesn't have a job, never left his parents' basement since graduating from high school, and his entire life revolves around his internet discussion groups on:

1. Conspiracy theories
2. Who's cooler? Jim Kirk or Jean-luc Picard? Prove it.

And aren't the girls lucky for not knowing that! :D
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They need to get a girlfriend who name doesn't end in .jpg.
 
Good one!

JAStewart said:
They need to get a girlfriend who name doesn't end in .jpg.
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Cold, but true...

Actually, a real example of this is that Timothy McVeigh actually went on a date during his misspent military career, and the girl soon realized she did not want to have a second one...apparently he talked for most of the evening about what a great and misunderstood fellow Adolf Hitler was...

There's a great way to win a girl's heart! :boggled:
 
Gravy said:
Heh. I'd like to formally announce that I am absolutely, positively not taking requests, especially when they involve anything related to Alex Jones! :D
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BOOOOO!! BOOOOOO!!

bah! bahhhH!!!

I hate doing this stuff. It's so unpleasant, and as I've said before, I don't find most of the conspiracy claims interesting at all. They're so absurd that they shouldn't merit a response. But since a lot of people seem to accept those absurdities, I guess it's somewhat necessary to respond. The most interesting thing to me in all this is the psychology of the conspiracy believers, and I despair of ever fully understanding that.
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i agree completely.

i've been saddened by the amount of folk i "know" online that have been buying into this 911 CT crap. i think that for those that don't trust the government, and are too lazy to do proper fact checking, 911 CT stuff is especially potent. the problem is that these folk don't realize that extraodrinary claims don't just require extraordinary evidence, but evidence that has been subjected to extraordinary scrutiny! to many of these folks, it seems the default that the government would lie, but it seems unlikely that "documentaries" like "loose change", or "terror strom", would simply, well, make **** up.

that's why someone needs to just destroy alex jones! i'd help, but it would just piss me off. and i'm trying to finally graduate from college. and i'm lazy. so yeah...
 
BTW, just thought i'd mention that i just had an online friend change his mind over 911, thanks in part your loose change guide, gravy.

after reading my intial arguments, and checking out the viewer guide, he started to question the accuracy of the evidences used in loose change. after spending some time researching, he's come to the conclusion that loose change is just a bunch of "bullsh!t".

thanks again for your hard work. it really does pay off.
 
could someone please point me to Gravy's actual critique pdf or DOC file? A few more friends just jumped on the loose change bandwagon and I need to help them off. Thank you.
 
...JR said:
could someone please point me to Gravy's actual critique pdf or DOC file? A few more friends just jumped on the loose change bandwagon and I need to help them off. Thank you.
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Here you go:
http://www.911myths.com/911_loose_change_2_guide_1.doc
Also, html:
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/

And don't miss his work on WTC7:
http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.doc

Or his Loose Change Creators Speak:
http://www.911myths.com/LooseChangeCreatorsSpeak.pdf

Which inspired MarkyX's 9/11 Deniers Speak:
http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/videos.html
 
Kiwiwriter said:
They both upset me, but for different reasons. The Holocaust deniers' real goal is to rehabilitate Nazism and make it a viable political movement again. Then they hope to take power and make Hitler look like a nice guy.

*snip*
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Sorry, but it´s the other way around. They hope to make Hitler look like a nice guy, so they can take power.

After all, with the Holocaust a historical fact, and all the other atrocities of the Nazi regime, there´s maybe a snowball´s chance in hell for a Nazi fanboy party taking power in a Western country.

On the other hand, if the Holocaust can be successfully denied, and they can blame a conspiracy of the usual suspects (jews, capitalists, communists etc.) for it, they can also blame the rest of the Nazis´ bad image on them, and start over in politics with a martyr´s bonus, or at least a blank slate.
 
Gravy's work shows up in Digg comments all the time :)

http://www.digg.com

Always gets "Dugg Up" in comments too. Which is basically a sign of approval for those unfamilliar with Digg :)
 
...JR said:
you are awesome
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That's what the guy in the mirror is always telling me.

If you need more quick and easy access to resources, check out the Conspiracy Theories section in the Links menu (next to the "User CP" menu up there ^ on the black toolbar) I have a direct link to it in my sig, too.
 
I was just reading 'screw screw loose change' on loosechange-911.blogspot or something,
LC attack only like 5 points made by Gravy in his film, and the close with the statement

'Bottom line, Loose Change is backed by facts, Screw Loose Change does not debunk Loose Change'

They didn't mention anything about gravys debunking of the Pentagon/missile thing, or flight 93 or even the WTCs.


In their debunking of SLC it's all about who did the investigating.

In LC Dylan says FEMA didn't get to see GZ, Gravy says they did...
In dylans debunking he shows an article that they didn't get to GZ for a few months later.
Effectively debunking himself.


P.S
It was gravy who made SLC lol?!
 
Sorry Gravy and especially sorry MarkyX

I was writing all that out and thought 'wait a sec...who did make SLC!?!?'
 
http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html

Here is a list of apparently victims and survivors of 9/11 that support the truth movement.

But a close look at the list reveals it to be quotes of 'bangs' and 'pops' by firefighters and employes made on the day.

Dylan Asks 'Are they all delirious?'

To try and insinuate we're against the survivors of 9/11, and also that they're on their side of course.
 
eddyk said:
http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html

Here is a list of apparently victims and survivors of 9/11 that support the truth movement.
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Actually, many of those "supporters" died on 9/11. That's a pretty lousy thing to do, to mix the living in with the dead like that.

Additionally, several of the living "supporters" have expressed their displeasure for how their words are taken out of context by the press and the "truth movement."

How low can these creeps go?
 
Gravy, since you are a master debunker, I have a question regarding a very short video that appears on conspiracy sites. I'd like to know if you could offer some insight and debunking of the video.
 
Hawk one said:
You know, Robert, if it wasn't for that pages like 911myths.com already exist, I'd suggest your next project should be to go after the Loose Change people.
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"A place to discuss skepticism, the paranormal and science in a lively and friendly way" HA!!!
 
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