Gravy Cleanses Silverstein Quote

It's been pointed out to you in the past why it's been impossible to put in explosives in the two towers, but you did what you always do, you just changed the subject to avoid having to answer it. THen you repeat the assertions in another thread, as if you hadn't been totally refuted. See, I don't post here often, but I do read the threads a lot. I know your cowardly posting history and the irony of your nickname.

It's also been pointed out to you that it would do you good to read some real reports of what was found on Ground Zero and stop ignoring what these reports say.

So why don't you do just that?
 
No, the WTC towers didn't crumble into fine dust. They exploded into fine dust, along with shredded steel. If you wish to dispute this, in spite of the overwhelming evidence, please, present some evidence. Where is the concrete? I'm waiting.



Can you post 5 pics that show nothing but "dust" and "shredded steel"?
 
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In his new WTC7 paper, Gravy has misquoted Larry Silverstein.

The correct quote must include the word "then", as follows:

This is no minor point, for the word "then" shows causal connection between what is said before, and what is said after.

Gravy, please correct your paper and apologize to anyone who may have been mislead.

You are pathetic, TS. It certainly is a "minor point".

After being shown up as the fool that you are on every thread you've ever posted on here, and after running away from nearly every question ever asked of you, the best you can do is criticize Gravy for quoting a "troofer" site without double checking it for accuracy?

Gravy wasn't "cleansing" the quote. Your ridiculous suggestion that he deliberately misquoted it is just that - ridiculous.

Your assertion about causal connection is wholly unfounded as has been pointed out by others above.

I won't expect a response since I'm sure you'll be busy for the next several days writing to all of your fellow tinhatters who have promulgated that misquote on their sites ... right?

Gravy did not mislead anyone, despite your false assertion to the contrary.

Oh, and the word you were looking for in the last sentence of your post (since you were writing in the past tense) was "misled", not "mislead". Get it right, would you?
 
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Googling the full "made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse" returns 360 hits.

Googling the quote without "then", "made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse" returns 15,800 hits, at sites including prisonplanet.com, wtc7.net, whatreallyhappened.com, and Kevin Barrett's Mujca.com. I trust "truthseeker"'s interest in the facts will ensure he gets all these sites to fix their quotes, too.

Incidentally, while doing that quick Google check I noticed Mujca use another variation of the Silverstein quote:

9/11 insurance-fraudster Larry Silverstein, like the Poe narrator, was apparently confounded by the noise of his own lying heartbeat when he confessed on national TV to making "a decision to pull (WTC-7)...and we made that decision to pull, and we watched the building collapse."
www.mujca.com
One of the problems CTers face with this is that Silverstein said he was talking to a fire commander, and that "they" made the decision to pull, but here Mujca fix this by changing the quote: now it's "we" made the decision to pull, much more incriminating. Way to pretend you're interested in the truth! And a far more serious (and unusual) change than the one in Gravy's piece, but I don't suppose any "inside jobber" is going to care about that, right?
 
Googling the full "made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse" returns 360 hits.

Googling the quote without "then", "made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse" returns 15,800 hits, at sites including prisonplanet.com, wtc7.net, whatreallyhappened.com, and Kevin Barrett's Mujca.com. I trust "truthseeker"'s interest in the facts will ensure he gets all these sites to fix their quotes, too.

Incidentally, while doing that quick Google check I noticed Mujca use another variation of the Silverstein quote:


One of the problems CTers face with this is that Silverstein said he was talking to a fire commander, and that "they" made the decision to pull, but here Mujca fix this by changing the quote: now it's "we" made the decision to pull, much more incriminating. Way to pretend you're interested in the truth! And a far more serious (and unusual) change than the one in Gravy's piece, but I don't suppose any "inside jobber" is going to care about that, right?
That's interesting, Mike. (BTW, I'm sending a corrected version to you in a few minutes...sorry!)

I'll email Kevin Barrett and ask him to make that correction.
 
That's interesting, Mike. (BTW, I'm sending a corrected version to you in a few minutes...sorry!)
S'okay. It's still ludicrously busy here, but I will get it put up once the document arrives.

I'll email Kevin Barrett and ask him to make that correction.
That seems only fair. Let's see how long it takes for him to fix it...
 
What facts am I ignoring? Please show me any picture with any significant part of the 200,000 tons of concrete in it. Thus far I have seen evidence for about 1 ton. What happened to the other 199,999 tons of steel-reinforced concrete? Where is the carpet? Where are the desks? The computers? The human beings?


Truthseeker weren't there close to 300 hundred bodies pulled from the remains pretty much intact. The news outlets don't usually publish news about computers or chairs found in the rubble. There are plenty of pictures which you have been shown of rubble a lot of which is greater than 100 microns at gruond zero.



I went to the beach on Monday then went to work. Did my going to the beach cause me to go to work. or did I just go to the beach first.

Many claims made by the "Truth" movement deliberately misquote to change the meaning of a statement such as the CNN reported who they would have you believe said no plane hit the pentagon
 
You really are that ignorant. Is English a second language?

"I went to work, then I went out to get a pizza."

"I washed the dog, then I watched TV and drank a beer."

"I went to the store, then I painted the house."

The word "then" does NOT imply any sort of causality, unless you live in a world where your desperate to twist anything you can to make sure you can still claim you're right. The word "then" implies nothing more than a temporal sequence...the prior event occured before the second event. In other words, the above examples could be re-written as:

"I went to work before I went out to get a pizza."
"I went out to get a pizza after I went to work."

"I washed the dog before I watched TV and drank a beer."
"I watched TV abd drank a beer after I washed the dog."

"I went to the store before I painted the house."
"I painted the house after I went to the store."

"They made the decision to pull before we watched the collapse."
"We watched the collapse after they made the decision to pull."
 
The difference is: Absent the word "then", we could see the decision to "pull it" as seperate from "we watched the building collapse". One happened after the other, but no causal connection. With the word "then" included, the two halves of the statement become portrayed in a cause-and-effect relationship, as in an "if...then" logical construction.

As one of the forum Grammar Nazis, I can tell you, "then" doesn't imply causality. It is an adverb that refers to time. As everybody else here has told you as well.

Let me turn this around. We all now agree that the word "then" is what the man said. If it is so insignificant, why not just get the quote right? Shouldn't Gravy get the quote right? Here he was, making a bid deal out of the fact that Truth Activists couldn't recite the quote correctly, then he botches the quote himself on tape, then when he publishes his paper, even after pointing out that he botched the quote on tape, he still doesn't get it right.

Let's just get it right. That's my point.

Why don't any of the CT sites have the quote right? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Or, more aptly, what's good for the skeptics is good for the nutjobs.
 
No, the WTC towers didn't crumble into fine dust. They exploded into fine dust, along with shredded steel. If you wish to dispute this, in spite of the overwhelming evidence, please, present some evidence. Where is the concrete? I'm waiting.
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And that is one of your many problems, TS. You're waiting. Why? What kind of education has led you to believe the way to prove your claims is to wait for...what? Divine intervention? You're going to have a very long wait.

Sorry, but that's not how it's done, and did you ever come to the wrong place – a forum for critical thinkers – to play that game! Your claims: your burden of proof. You don't like the NIST report? Prove it wrong. You can't do that with beliefs, my friend. You'll need evidence. The only thing you've presented so far is some thoroughly laughable and totally debunked physics from dental engineer Judy Wood, who believes the towers should have fallen like trees.

Is that it, then? Is that all you've got?

If not, then why don't you stop stalling, as we've been asking you to do since your first posts, and start providing your evidence? Your bluff has been called EVERY TIME YOU POST. Yet you are unable to show that your statements are anything more than 100% unadulterated horsecrap.

You can start right now. Everyone's watching. No excuses. Ready?

1) What explosive is capable of producing the effects you claim for the towers: complete "powderization" of the contents, "shredding" of the steel, and a "pyroclastic flow" that expands to three times the volume of the towers.

Answer the question. Right now. Or withdraw the claim.

2) Why did the "pyroclastic flow" not poison and/or burn to death everyone it came in contact with, including the survivors in the towers?

3) Define "powderized" or "turned to dust." What was the average size of the debris of the contents of the towers, and who made the measurements that your claim is based on? Show your sources.

4) If all the concrete was "powderized" by explosives, how were about 1,600 victim identifications able to be made? How were people able to survive in the towers?

5) Define "shredded steel." How large was the average piece of steel in the piles, and who made the measurements that your claim is based on? Show your sources.

6) From what height would the upper section of one of the towers have to be dropped in order to initiate a gravity-driven collapse? Show your math.

7) In the scenario in #6, what would happen to the floor concrete? Be specific.

8) Was building 7 destroyed in the same way as the towers? If not, how was it destroyed?

9) What are the chunks of gray material in the photos below?

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No more whining. No more "waiting." Provide evidence for your claims. Begin. We're all watching.
 
With the word "then" included, the two halves of the statement become portrayed in a cause-and-effect relationship, as in an "if...then" logical construction.
I can see that the "if... then" construction implies causality. So where did Silverstein say "if"?

Absent that, "then" simply describes order.

Anyway, you now have ample evidence that Gravy simply quoted CT sources, so wasn't the one who took the word out. You're pathetic.
 
I can see that the "if... then" construction implies causality. So where did Silverstein say "if"?

Absent that, "then" simply describes order.

Anyway, you now have ample evidence that Gravy simply quoted CT sources, so wasn't the one who took the word out. You're pathetic.

Silverstein would have had to have said an entirely different sentence to make it causal. Something like "If they made the decision to pull the building, then it would collapse." That shows cause.
 
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any questions?
Um...to be fair, both of those pics are of the same object. The second is just a close-up.
 
I loved you like an e-father, Gravy, but this is unacceptable!

UNACCEPTABLE!!!@#

If you're so willing to dismiss monumental words like "then" and......"then", what's next huh? WHAT'S NEXT GRAVY???

Are you gonna cast a blind eye to words like "freedom" or "liberty" or "justice"??? This is a slippery slope you've decided to stand upon, and I just can't follow you down any more.




truthseeker, will you be my new e-father?
 
What facts am I ignoring? Please show me any picture with any significant part of the 200,000 tons of concrete in it. Thus far I have seen evidence for about 1 ton. What happened to the other 199,999 tons of steel-reinforced concrete? Where is the carpet? Where are the desks? The computers? The human beings?

You are trying to make a real loud noise with a very small drum.

Beat on it harder.
 
With his screenname, TruthSeeker1234 has misled the JREF members.

TruthSeeker1234

The correct screenname must not include the word "TruthSeeker", as follows:


This is no minor point, for the word "TruthSeeker" implies he is indeed looking for the truth, allthough he cleary is not.

1234, please correct your screenname and apologize to everyone who has been mislead.
 

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