General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

[Poem]

Its totally irrelevant to the genocide happening in Gaza, which is being done by ALL IDFascists, including Mizrahi soldiers.

How would you describe members of Hamas - you know the ones that undoubtedly committed crimes in Israel on 7th October 2023?

 

[Hercules56]

It's relevant to a discussion that does not want to paint a one-sided picture of the refugee issue.

The Mizrahi Jews are happily settled in Israel, France, elsewhere. Their issue is over and resolved.

 

[Poem]

The Mizrahi Jews are happily settled in Israel, France, elsewhere. Their issue is over and resolved.

So the resettling of expelled refugees to another country isn't a recourse that is problematic to you? Is that what you are saying?

 

[Hercules56]

So the resettling of expelled refugees to another country isn't a recourse that is problematic to you? Is that what you are saying?

Most of the Jews went to the Jewish state, and were happy to be there. Their issue is resolved.

However I agree they should have the right to return to their former countries if they wish to do so.

Meanwhile, the Palestinians are suffering from a terrible genocide. You have strange priorities.

 

[Poem]

Most of the Jews went to the Jewish state, and were happy to be there. Their issue is resolved.

I'd like to see a citation on that. Many of them lost everything. If you think that is a 'resolved' situation then I wonder why the Palestinian plight exercises you.

However I agree they should have the right to return to their former countries if they wish to do so.

They certainly have a right to get back what was stolen from them.

Meanwhile, the Palestinians are suffering from a terrible genocide.

As would the Jews be suffering terribly in some way if they had remained in the country they were expelled from. Why haven't Muslim countries stepped in to resettle them (as Jordan has done to some extent)?

 

[Hercules56]

I'd like to see a citation on that. Many of them lost everything. If you think that is a 'resolved' situation then I wonder why the Palestinian plight exercises you.

They certainly have a right to get back what was stolen from them.

As would the Jews be suffering terribly in some way if they had remained in the country they were expelled from. Why haven't Muslim countries stepped in to resettle them (as Jordan has done to some extent)?

Ok, I have a great idea:

The Mizrahi Jews can return to their former lands and properties, IF the Palestinians can do the same thing.

Issue resolved.

 

[Poem]

Ok, I have a great idea:

The Mizrahi Jews can return to their former lands and properties, IF the Palestinians can do the same thing.

Issue resolved.

That you recognise that this is a refugee problem and not purely a Palestinian refugee one is encouraging, but it contradicts what you said before - that their 'problem' is resolved. Don't ignore history just because the Jewish refugees moved on and the Palestinians either haven't been able to or haven't received the same recourse (i.e. of settling in another country).

 

[Hercules56]

That you recognise that this is a refugee problem and not purely a Palestinian refugee one is encouraging, but it contradicts what you said before - that their 'problem' is resolved. Don't ignore history just because the Jewish refugees moved on and the Palestinians either haven't been able to or haven't received the same recourse (i.e. of settling in another country).

Fine, both communities should have the right to return to their former homelands as according to international law

 

[Poem]

Fine, both communities should have the right to return to their former homelands as according to international law

That's an option but we know it isn't going to happen. Above you posted that the resettling of refugees in a country other than their own was acceptable...was a resolution....

...you said it.

 

[Poem]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

[webfusion]

I'm wondering about the expected announcement about Syria joining the Abraham Accords.
Abraham Accords Peace Agreements: Treaties of Peace, Diplomatic Relations and Full Normalization Between Israel and its Neighbors.

Steps in Syria's path to joining the Abraham Accords - Enab Baladi

Enab Baladi – Mowaffak al-Khouja The indications that suggest Syria’s involvement in negotiations with Arab countries regarding joining what is […]

english.enabbaladi.net

 

[Hercules56]

That's an option but we know it isn't going to happen. Above you posted that the resettling of refugees in a country other than their own was acceptable...was a resolution....

...you said it.

Its the option that complies with international law. All persons fleeing or expelled during wartime have the right to return.

 

[Hercules56]

That's an option but we know it isn't going to happen. Above you posted that the resettling of refugees in a country other than their own was acceptable...was a resolution....

...you said it.

Its acceptable ONLY if the refugees accept it and want it.

Otherwise, they have the right to return to their homes. Says international law.

 

[theprestige]

Even you must know that is nonsense!

Even you must know this isn't nonsense at all.

 

[Hercules56]

I'm wondering about the expected announcement about Syria joining the Abraham Accords.
Abraham Accords Peace Agreements: Treaties of Peace, Diplomatic Relations and Full Normalization Between Israel and its Neighbors.

Steps in Syria's path to joining the Abraham Accords - Enab Baladi

Enab Baladi – Mowaffak al-Khouja The indications that suggest Syria’s involvement in negotiations with Arab countries regarding joining what is […]

english.enabbaladi.net

Israel should compensate Syria for the loss of the Golan Heights. or America should.

 

[Poem]

Its acceptable ONLY if the refugees accept it and want it.

Otherwise, they have the right to return to their homes. Says international law.

It wasn't acceptable for Mizrahi Jews to be made refugees and lose everything just as it wasn't for the Palestinians.

The world, in general, isn't interested in what happened to the Jews - so the precedent is set...settling the Palestinians in another country is, de facto, acceptable whether the Palestinians like it or not. Don't get me wrong, it's not ideal and they should be able to return...but it's just not going to happen...not without the goodwill I mentioned.

 

[Hercules56]

It wasn't acceptable for Mizrahi Jews to be made refugees and lose everything just as it wasn't for the Palestinians.

The world, in general, isn't interested in what happened to the Jews - so the precedent is set...settling the Palestinians in another country is, de facto, acceptable whether the Palestinians like it or not. Don't get me wrong, it's not ideal and they should be able to return...but it's just not going to happen...not without the goodwill I mentioned.

No, the Palestinian refugees should be able to settle in the State of Palestine.

Just as the Jews settled in the Jewish state.

 

[Poem]

No, the Palestinian refugees should be able to settle in the State of Palestine.

Just as the Jews settled in the Jewish state.

No, the Jews were forced to settle in country other than their native one. You have made a false equivalence.

 

[Hercules56]

No, the Jews were forced to settle in country other than their native one. You have made a false equivalence.

The Jews, most of them, settled in a Jewish state made specifically for them to live and be happy and prosper.

However, if the Jews want to go home, they should be able to. Just like the Palestinians.

Thats what international law says.

 

[Poem]

The Jews, most of them, settled in a Jewish state made specifically for them to live and be happy and prosper.

You mean most of them were forced to leave their native country and were not particularly welcomed into Israel - in fact many were treated as second class citizens.

However, if the Jews want to go home, they should be able to. Just like the Palestinians.

Or receive compensation for their loss - have you been arguing for that?

Thats what international law says.

In an ideal world, sure.

Why haven't Muslim countries welcomed Palestinians?