Flat Earth Internation Conference 2017!!!

[Imhotep]

I'm going to keep going West until I hit something. I'll report in later.

Oh crap, can I trust this compass thingy or was it made by the conspirators? Can I use the Sun? Maps are out, right? Need some help here.

 

[DGM]

I don't attempt to, it's Red Herring Fallacy (Irrelevant/Diversion) to my Argument.


regards

So you just accept that pressure varies over altitude although you don't have an explanation for why?

Gravity explains it well but, considering you deny gravity I would have though you would have some other explanation.

I guess I'll give up on a spherical Earth when someone comes up with a better explanation. I won't hold my breath.

 

[The Big Dog]

Stone Cold 2nd Law of Thermodynamics (Laws of Entropy) Violation.

ps. “If your theory is found to be AGAINST the SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS, I can give you no hope; there is nothing for [your theory] but to COLLAPSE IN THE DEEPEST HUMILIATION.”
Arthur S. Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World (1930), p. 74.

regards

Umm, fella? The earth and its atmosphere are not a closed system.

there is this "pancake" shaped ball in the sky which we call the sun that pumps energy into the system, for Jesus said "Suffer the little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."

 

[Daniel]

But you just said that as we go up the pressure decreases, so you have once again managed to contradict your entire argument in literally one fell swoop!

For the 432nd Time, This isn't my argument!! Ergo... Red Herring Fallacy (Irrelevant/Diversion).

Air Pressure (Gas Pressure) decreasing with altitude is Begging The Question Fallacy to the Actual Argument...

How do you have Gas Pressure without a Container to begin with?

SEE IT ^^^^^^^^ ?? (It's Rhetorical at this point).


The only thing that's 'refuted' is the coherency of the people continuing to appeal to "Gas Pressure Changes" when the Argument is:

Where'd you get "GAS PRESSURE"...?



regards

 

[davefoc]

Stone Cold 2nd Law of Thermodynamics (Laws of Entropy) Violation.

ps. “If your theory is found to be AGAINST the SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS, I can give you no hope; there is nothing for [your theory] but to COLLAPSE IN THE DEEPEST HUMILIATION.”
Arthur S. Eddington, The Nature of the Physical World (1930), p. 74.



regards

Exactly, the second law of thermodynamics is one of the things that the round earther scientists are always ignoring when it doesn't fit their precious round earth theories.

Although, could you refresh my memory a bit here? How is it that the second law of thermodynamics necessitates that there be a container enveloping the Earth to keep the atmosphere from escaping?

 

[DGM]

Is this wrong, Daniel?

"A GAS is a sample of matter that conforms to the shape of a CONTAINER in which it is held and acquires a uniform density inside the CONTAINER, EVEN IN THE PRESENCE OF GRAVITY and regardless of the amount of substance in the CONTAINER. If not confined to a CONTAINER, gaseous matter, also known as vapor, WILL DISPERSE INTO SPACE."

By your own admission (that pressure changes with altitude) it is. Well?

 

[Daniel]

Umm, fella? The earth and its atmosphere are not a closed system.

That's your problem, not mine.

there is this "pancake" shaped ball in the sky which we call the sun that pumps energy into the system

And what does this have to do with Bertlmann's Socks?


regards

 

[DGM]

That's your problem, not mine.

So explain how atmospheric pressure (observed) works in your world. We're listening.

 

[The Big Dog]

That's your problem, not mine.

regards

Umm, no, you see the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics only pertains to a closed system. That kinda makes it, you know, your problem?

Or wait, is that another one of those things that you cited but that destroys your argument but we should ignore because it utterly lays waste upon your argument like the Lord did upon the sinners at Sodom?

 

[Daniel]

Exactly, the second law of thermodynamics is one of the things that the round earther scientists are always ignoring when it doesn't fit their precious round earth theories.

You're Tellin me; and most aren't "Scientists" to begin with.

And since the shape of the earth (Flat or Sphere) isn't a "Scientific" topic to begin with (SEE: Previous Post for detailed explanation), I'd be willing to wager quite a large sum that you haven''t the first Clue what an Actual Scientific Theory is!

So Define "Scientific Theory"...?

Although, could you refresh my memory a bit here? How is it that the second law of thermodynamics necessitates that there be a container enveloping the Earth to keep the atmosphere from escaping?

Sure...

"Gas expansion into a vacuum, mixing of ideal gases or liquids, diffusion, effusion, colligative effects, and osmosis each fundamentally involves an increase in entropy due to increased dispersion of energy (with no change in total energy in the case of ideal substances) due to a greater number of microstates for the particular system involved."
http://entropysite.oxy.edu/entropy_is_simple/

Good?



regards

 

[davefoc]

...
How do you have Gas Pressure without a Container to begin with?

SEE IT ^^^^^^^^ ?? (It's Rhetorical at this point).


...

I think that what the round Earthers envision here is that one side of the container is the surface of the Earth and the other side of the container is created by the gas itself as it pulled towards the earth. They envision that the pressure gradually falls off as one gets farther from the earth as the strength of gravity declines. This fits with their idea that satellites can orbit the Earth without tumbling back to earth immediately because of atmospheric drag and their observation that the orbits of low earth satellites gradually decay from the drag of the vestigial atmosphere they are flying through.

Of course, what the Round earthers don't realize or are hiding is that the Earth is approximately flat and the air would just leak out into the great void unless there was a dome in place to keep the atmosphere from leaking away.

 

[Daniel]

Umm, no, you see the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics only pertains to a closed system. That kinda makes it, you know, your problem?

THANKS!!!

This is tantamount to a Neurosurgical Candidate during an interview with the Chair of Neurosurgery, exclaiming unsolicited: "What's a Cerebellum??"....

“Another way of stating the second law then is: ‘The universe is constantly getting more disorderly!’ Viewed that way, we can see the second law all about us. We have to work hard to straighten a room, but left to itself it becomes a mess again very quickly and very easily. Even if we never enter it, it becomes dusty and musty. How difficult to maintain houses, and machinery, and our bodies in perfect working order: how easy to let them deteriorate. In fact, all we have to do is nothing, and everything deteriorates, collapses, breaks down, wears out, all by itself -- and that is what the second law is all about.”
Isaac Asimov, PhD Biochemistry: "In the Game of Energy and Thermodynamics You Can’t Break Even," Smithsonian Institute Journal, June, 1970, p. 6.


“...There are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Ordinarily the second law is stated for isolated [closed] systems, but the second law applies equally well to open systems ... there is somehow associated with the field of far-from equilibrium phenomena the notion that the second law of thermodynamics fails for such systems. It is important to make sure that this error does not perpetuate itself.”
Dr. John Ross, Harvard Scientist. Letter to the Editor, Chemical and Engineering News (July 7, 1980), p.40.

So boggled, are you saying that here on Earth ("Open System" per Narrative), you get: hotter and hotter the further you move away from a fire?
Or that Gases spontaneously enter INTO a Pressurized Tire when the pin is depressed?

You need any more Gasoline with your Matches?


regards

 

[Daniel]

So explain how atmospheric pressure (observed) works in your world. We're listening.

Well to have Gas Pressure (Atmospheric Pressure) you MUST HAVE a Container to begin with; it's called a Contingent Necessary Fact.

This single handedly PUMMELS into the Incoherent Oblivion: "Outer Space"...and everything associated with it, Pontificated by the Pseudo-Science Priests for what... 500 Years now?

Can you think of some "Down-Stream" ramifications?


regards

 

[MRC_Hans]

Thanks!! You have Absolutely "No Clue" to what you're talking about...

"ESSM (RIM 162) offers naval combatants reliable self-defence and high fire-power. The missile can be launched from surface ships to destroy threats that include high speed, highly maneuvering anti-ship cruise missiles, low velocity air threats (LVATs), high-diving threats and SURFACE-BASED TARGETS. It can also engage attack aircraft, helicopters and SHIPS."
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/evolved-sea-sparrow-missile-essm/


regards

Yep, they can engage surface targets, but of course not with the same range.
That text is an advertising blurb. Do you believe everything in advertising?

... Ehr ..oh... Well, then: DONT't believe everything you read in adverts.


Hans

 

[Shalamar]

Well to have Gas Pressure (Atmospheric Pressure) you MUST HAVE a Container to begin with; it's called a Contingent Necessary Fact.

This single handedly PUMMELS into the Incoherent Oblivion: "Outer Space"...and everything associated with it, Pontificated by the Pseudo-Science Priests for what... 500 Years now?

Can you think of some "Down-Stream" ramifications?


regards

Define 'Gas pressure'.

Define 'Outer Space'

Define 'Pummels'

*insert random accusations of fallacies here*

 

[The Big Dog]

“...There are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics. Ordinarily the second law is stated for isolated [closed] systems, but the second law applies equally well to open systems ... there is somehow associated with the field of far-from equilibrium phenomena the notion that the second law of thermodynamics fails for such systems. It is important to make sure that this error does not perpetuate itself.”
Dr. John Ross, Harvard Scientist. Letter to the Editor, Chemical and Engineering News (July 7, 1980), p.40.

So boggled, are you saying that here on Earth ("Open System" per Narrative), you get: hotter and hotter the further you move away from a fire?
Or that Gases spontaneously enter INTO a Pressurized Tire when the pin is depressed?

You need any more Gasoline with your Matches?

regards

Rapture! we have then agreed that we are dealing with an open system, that the earth is just such a system as it gains energy from the Sun, and loses matter, just as we have been saying.

QED, the Earth is a sphere, and The angels and saints exult with God in heaven!

 

[DGM]

I guess the most pressing question is, What has stopped the worlds population from seeing the edge of the flat Earth over the thousands of years we've existed? I think I need a picture of that to believe..............Lots of pictures of a spherical Earth, not one flat.

 

[MRC_Hans]

You bumble into this 'discussion' and you ask this??

This is tantamount to a Neurosurgical Candidate during an interview with the Head of Neurosurgery, suddenly exclaiming: "What's a Cerebellum??"


regards and Thank!!

Yes, I ask that. Are you able to answer? Of course, various factors limit range of view, but, in a flat Earth scenario: In your own words, describe how height can be a factor?

... Oh, you can't? .. Well ...

Hans

 

[DGM]

Well to have Gas Pressure (Atmospheric Pressure) you MUST HAVE a Container to begin with; it's called a Contingent Necessary Fact.

This single handedly PUMMELS into the Incoherent Oblivion: "Outer Space"...and everything associated with it, Pontificated by the Pseudo-Science Priests for what... 500 Years now?

Can you think of some "Down-Stream" ramifications?


regards

That's not an explanation of how it works in your world. I don't need to explain things.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I have. Do you have a coherent rebuttal by chance?

If you read ... oh, and understood ... the text, which (and I admit my fault there) is not an article, but an advert, you would have noticed a couple of things:

1 The system is a ground to air defence system. Which is where the 35 miles range is stated.

2 However, they also state that it can be used against surface targets. They don't state the range here (after all it's an advert), but it would depend on the height of the target. If the target is AT the water surface (would have to a surfaced U-boat) it would be about 11 miles, but if it's a ship similar to the launching ship, 35 miles in not unrealistic. (All this requires something called math so you might wanna be careful with it.)

3 The pencil beam you talk about is scanning. That means ... oh ... well, it makes a difference.

It drops. What's next, Hit the Gas in your car...what happens to the Speedometer?

GOOD! And what is the effect, in your own words, on entropy when there is an air pressure difference between different altitudes? What is the physical barrier that makes this easily observable pressure gradient possible?

So another "Na'ahh" defense? Riveting!! You wouldn't happen to be Pre-Law by chance?

(On "Nature abhors a vacuum")

Well, actually Aristotle coined the phrase, but it lingered on into the 16th century.

Then, of course, the mistake was discovered. .... I hate to break this to you, but preciously little 16th century science has survived unchallenged till today. ... You might wanna read up on it.

Hans