Flat Earth Internation Conference 2017!!!

[The Big Dog]

Can you explain further? What makes a flat earth more likely a creation of god than a spherical earth? Thanks.

That is an excellent question, indeed it raises the issue of where man is arrogant enough to proclaim that The Almighty would not create a spherical earth.

 

[Daniel]

"Vacuum" is an inexact term when used in this context to describe outer space

Really?

where the pressure is in fact non-zero but many orders of magnitude below atmospheric pressure; typically it falls in the range below 10^-10 atmospheres.

Let's get specific, shall we...??

"The Narrative" is we have a Vacuum ("Outer Space") attached to a Non-Vacuum ("Earth").
According to the Laws of Entropy: Unless "Physically" hindered, Gases will flow down a Pressure/[ ] gradient until Equilibrium is reached.

"Thus the diffusion of solute particles takes place DOWN the Concentration Gradient (A *PRESSURE GRADIENT* with respect to partial pressure of *GASES* ) until uniform concentration is achieved".
[ i.e., until EQUILIBRIUM is reached ]
Chatterjea, MN., Shinde, R: Textbook of Medical Biochemistry; 8th Edition, p. 817

According to "The Narrative": Interstellar Space Pressure = 10^-17 Torr.

Ergo, Equilibrium MUST = 10^-17 Torr.
Ergo, Sea Level MUST BE...10^-17 Torr !!
But...The Surface Pressure at Sea Level is 760 Torr.
Therefore, either 'The Narrative' is False OR The Laws of Entropy are False.

Guess where my money's going, ALL IN!!
End of Story!
You Live in a Fairytale.

The fact, therefore, that air pressure in the atmosphere varies with altitude demonstrates that pressure differences in gas do not require a solid physical boundary.

1. Non-Sequitur Fallacy.

2. Begging The Question Fallacy (AGAIN): where'd you get Atmospheric Pressure (Gas Pressure) without a Container to begin with, when...


"The "PRESSURE OF A GAS" is the force that the gas exerts on the WALLS OF IT'S CONTAINER".
http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchembook/180pressure.html

?????

regards

 

[Daniel]

So, there should be no limit on a flat world?

Save for: Limitations of Vision, Perspective, Obstacles (Hills/Mountains ect) Atmospheric Conditions... Humidity, Temperature, Smog, Fog ect ect.


regards

 

[DGM]

According to the Laws of Entropy: Unless "Physically" hindered, Gases will flow down a Pressure/[ ] gradient until Equilibrium is reached.

I highlighted the part you don't understand.

 

[The Big Dog]

"The "PRESSURE OF A GAS" is the force that the gas exerts on the WALLS OF IT'S CONTAINER".
http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchembook/180pressure.html

?????

regards

SENSATIONAL! You quote a book that says this:

"Atmospheric pressure varies with height just as water pressure varies with depth. As a swimmer dives deeper, the water pressure increases. As a mountain climber ascends to higher altitudes, the atmospheric pressure decreases. His body is compressed by a smaller amount of air above it. The atmospheric pressure at 20,000 feet is only one-half of that at sea level because about half of the entire atmosphere is below this elevation."

Golly how do we just keep passing through "walls' that causes atmospheric pressure to decrease?

Thanks the Almighty that He has granted us the faculties to understand this.

 

[Daniel]

You sure about that? Because you posted an article that said that they bounce radar signals off the ionsphere.

LOL. The Sea Sparrow's 2in RF Pencil Beam isn't "Bounced Off" the Ionosphere from the Fire Control Radar!!


Please QUOTE where the say that...?

Sphere again! That word just keep coming up in all the stuff you post.

Well since they say that (Ipse Dixit) it; therefore...must be TRUE. right?



regards

 

[halleyscomet]

Save for: Limitations of Vision, Perspective, Obstacles (Hills/Mountains ect) Atmospheric Conditions... Humidity, Temperature, Smog, Fog ect ect.


regards

Have you ever attempted to replicate this demonstration?



What is the Flat Earth explanation for what was displayed in that video?

 

[Daniel]

Sure about that?

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/9wVeIcx.jpg?1[/qimg]

Wow!! That's Convincing

Walk outside on a sunny day and hold a ball up in the air...is the size of the Shadow bigger or smaller than the Ball...?

Next Block of Instruction: How to make a sandwich...with a light on.


my word people

 

[halleyscomet]

Wow!! That's Convincing

Walk outside on a sunny day and hold a ball up in the air...is the size of the Shadow bigger or smaller than the Ball...?

Next Block of Instruction: How to make a sandwich...with a light on.


my word people

The point seems to have gone over your head.

Your claim about shadow sizes is demonstrably false. It is trivial to prove you wrong. Babbling about sandwiches does not support your claims, it merely suggests you might do well to take a break for lunch.

 

[DGM]

Walk outside on a sunny day and hold a ball up in the air...is the size of the Shadow bigger or smaller than the Ball...?

Smaller. Try it.

Next.

 

[Daniel]

Geometry. See http://discovermagazine.com/2017/sept/solar-eclipse-geometry, for example.

BUFFOONERY. SEE: Nonsense. Your little image shows "Convergent" Sun Rays. The Sun's Rays, that strike the Earth are "Parallel", Remember?

Again, geometry; if the illuminating object is larger than the object casting the shadow, then the cross-section of the shadow is inevitably smaller than the cross-section of the object.

I'd say there's a better chance of Liberace being resurrected sporting a purple tutu and jumping on a chartreuse hobbled unicorn and riding around the Sombrero Galaxy.



regards

 

[DGM]

BUFFOONERY. SEE: Nonsense. Your little image shows "Convergent" Sun Rays. The Sun's Rays, that strike the Earth are "Parallel", Remember?

Is the moon the same size as earth and in the same position?

 

[Daniel]

Pizzas are not globes, pizzas are not spheres.

But you claimed "ROUND", you didn't say "Sphere".

protip; try not to say that something is "incoherent" and then respond with a comment that shows that it is not incoherent at all.

ProTip: try not to post Generalized Ipse Dixit Baseless 'bare' Assertion Fallacies.

Now why could Steve Austin see it?

Well Steve Austin (Six Million Dollar Man) had a Bionic Eye.

Because he had a extreme telescopic magnification and infrared capabilities!

I was being Facetious. How bout you turn your attention to the "ACTUAL' Arguments and attempt to save your Spinning-Ball' Religion.

You know what else has extreme telescopic magnification? A telescope! Yay!

A Telescope isn't overcoming adverse Atmospheric Conditions or Obstacles.



regards

 

[Daniel]

a. It's a phenomenon which results in the exertion of a force.
b. Both.
c. The effect of mass interacting with space-time.

So....

1. Which 'gravity'... Einstienian or Newtonian ??

You forgot to answer the question.

a. Is gravity a Force?

It's a phenomenon which results in the exertion of a force.

That Rules Out Einsteinian 'gravity'...

"Einstein came up with the theory of general relativity (1915), the prototype of all modern gravitational theories. Its crucial ingredient, involving a colossal intellectual jump, is the concept of gravitation, NOT AS A FORCE, but as a manifestation of the curvature of space-time..."
https://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/ESSAYS/Bekenstein/bekenstein.html

That Creates another Problem, since your 'scientific community' doesn't follow Newtonian 'gravity'...

"...Einstein created his general theory of relativity—which provides *OUR MODERN UNDERSTANDING of gravity* —with the express purpose of expunging nonlocality from physics. Isaac Newton's gravity acted at a distance, as if by magic, and general relativity snapped the wand in two by showing that the curvature of spacetime, and *NOT AN INVISIBLE FORCE* , gives rise to gravitational attraction."
Musser George: How Einstein Revealed the Universe's Strange "Nonlocality"; Scientific American, November 2015.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-einstein-revealed-the-universe-s-strange-nonlocality/

Please Reconcile...?




b. Is 'gravity' a Scientific Law or Scientific Theory?

Both.

1. Elephant Hurling Fallacies are not answers.
2. Can't be both...
Newtonian Gravity is ... "A Force".
EinSHtienian Gravity is NOT ... "A Force".
They are 'Mutually Exclusive'. They're not even in the same Geometry for cryin out-loud:
Newtonian 'gravity' is Euclidean 3 Space; whereas, EinSHtienian 'gravity' is Pseudo- Riemannian 4 Space.


c. What is the CAUSE of 'gravity'...?

The effect of mass interacting with space-time.

Factually Incorrect...

Martin Rees; FRS, Astronomer Royal; Esteemed British cosmologist/ astrophysicist...

"WHAT CAUSES GRAVITY AND MASS? Is the universe infinite? How did atoms assemble—on at least one planet around at least one star—into beings able to ponder these mysteries? THESE QUESTIONS STILL BAFFLE ALL OF US. Rather than the “end of science” being nigh, we are still near the beginning of the cosmic quest."
http://assets.press.princeton.edu/chapters/p7115.pdf



regards

 

[The Big Dog]

A Telescope isn't overcoming adverse Atmospheric Conditions or Obstacles.

regards

You sure? Because you just showed that you don't understand how atmospheric conditions work.. And I just came in from the same atmospheric conditions:

At the front door of my building I could not see Michigan across Lake Michigan.

One elevator ride later, fantastic view of Michigan.

By the way, no need to Blaspheme about your Spinning-Ball' Religion. We are both Christians are we not?

 

[Daniel]

Nope. We observe that the measured pressure at sea level has a certain value.

You continue to 'Whistle Past The Graveyard' and Beg The Question (Fallacy), smh.

Read this slowly, then answer...

How can you have Atmospheric Pressure (Gas Pressure) without a Container, when...

"The "PRESSURE OF A GAS" is the force that the gas exerts on the WALLS OF IT'S CONTAINER".
http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchembook/180pressure.html

In other words, How can you have a Rib Eye without The Cow?



regards

 

[threadworm]

Wow!! That's Convincing

You seem to think a rolleyes symbol proves your point. It doesn't.

In the picture I posted how big is the shadow relative to the object that created it?

 

[threadworm]

You continue to 'Whistle Past The Graveyard' and Beg The Question (Fallacy), smh.

Read this slowly, then answer...

How can you have Atmospheric Pressure (Gas Pressure) without a Container, when...

"The "PRESSURE OF A GAS" is the force that the gas exerts on the WALLS OF IT'S CONTAINER".
http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchembook/180pressure.html

Atmospheric pressure:

Atmospheric pressure is defined as the force per unit area exerted against a surface by the weight of the air above that surface

http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/fw/prs/def.rxml

Nothing to do with a container.

 

[DGM]

How can you have Atmospheric Pressure (Gas Pressure) without a Container,

We never said there was no container. You just don't understand it.

How do you explain the observed difference in pressure with altitude?

 

[Daniel]

I know, you just said that and you just proved it wrong! Which was so fun!

Oh Brother.

You said you needed a container

Yes, you need a Container to have Gas Pressure. So where's the Container?

but then said as you go up the mountain the pressure drops.

Yes. What's your point?

Unless you are suggesting that we are going through a bunch of containers, you have managed to prove your claim

Unbelieveable.

"in order to have Atmospheric Pressure (Gas Pressure) to begin with you must have a Container" prima facie false!

So you're a "Science" and Self-Evident denier. Thanks



regards