Flat Earth Internation Conference 2017!!!

[MRC_Hans]

Excellent! Now you have just rebutted your earlier claim that the pressure of the atmosphere is dependent on its "container".

Just like you rebutted your claim that the earth is flat by reference to the horizon at Everest.

And citing to papers mentioning the globe and hemispheres.

Pleasure to be working with you, for a change.

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

Well to have Gas Pressure (Atmospheric Pressure) you MUST HAVE a Container to begin with; it's called a Contingent Necessary Fact.

This single handedly PUMMELS into the Incoherent Oblivion: "Outer Space"...and everything associated with it, Pontificated by the Pseudo-Science Priests for what... 500 Years now?

Can you think of some "Down-Stream" ramifications?


regards

Define 'container'.

I have a suggestion: "A physical barrier that prevents a medium from escaping".

OK?

Hans

 

[Imhotep]

Pleasure to be working with you, for a change.

Hans

There's our silver lining. Thanks, Daniel!

 

[Dr. Keith]

Ahhh NO. It's an Incoherent Straw Man Fallacy; The Earth is Stationary. They have a saying regarding "Assumptions".


regards

That is why I was careful to couch it as an assumption. It is hard to tell what flavor of flat earth science you follow. If that is not your flavor, how do you account for gravity?

 

[The Big Dog]

That is why I was careful to couch it as an assumption. It is hard to tell what flavor of flat earth science you follow. If that is not your flavor, how do you account for gravity?

which kind?

 

[Dr. Keith]

Well to have Gas Pressure (Atmospheric Pressure) you MUST HAVE a Container to begin with; it's called a Contingent Necessary Fact.

Do you have a source for the underlined?

Also, are you saying we don't have atmospheric pressure or that there is a container?

 

[Dr. Keith]

which kind?

Oh yes, thanks for the reminder. Let's just stick to that which makes the apple fall from the tree.

 

[halleyscomet]

BUFFOONERY. SEE: Nonsense. Your little image shows "Convergent" Sun Rays. The Sun's Rays, that strike the Earth are "Parallel", Remember?

I'd say there's a better chance of Liberace being resurrected sporting a purple tutu and jumping on a chartreuse hobbled unicorn and riding around the Sombrero Galaxy.

regards

Oh! Geometry denial! Neat!

You continue to 'Whistle Past The Graveyard' and Beg The Question (Fallacy), smh.

Read this slowly, then answer...

How can you have Atmospheric Pressure (Gas Pressure) without a Container, when...

"The "PRESSURE OF A GAS" is the force that the gas exerts on the WALLS OF IT'S CONTAINER".
http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchembook/180pressure.html

In other words, How can you have a Rib Eye without The Cow?

regards

Atmospheric pressure:

Atmospheric pressure is defined as the force per unit area exerted against a surface by the weight of the air above that surface

http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/fw/prs/def.rxml

Nothing to do with a container.

Damn, beaten to the "atmospheric pressure" punch.

 

[halleyscomet]

For the 432nd Time, This isn't my argument!! Ergo... Red Herring Fallacy (Irrelevant/Diversion).

Air Pressure (Gas Pressure) decreasing with altitude is Begging The Question Fallacy to the Actual Argument...

How do you have Gas Pressure without a Container to begin with?

SEE IT ^^^^^^^^ ?? (It's Rhetorical at this point).


The only thing that's 'refuted' is the coherency of the people continuing to appeal to "Gas Pressure Changes" when the Argument is:

Where'd you get "GAS PRESSURE"...?



regards

We never said there was no container. You just don't understand it.

How do you explain the observed difference in pressure with altitude?

In Daniel's model it can't exist. The "Vertical Limit" must therefore be a fiction and Mountain climbers don't really need oxygen canisters for high-altitude climbing.

This of course necessitates a whole NEW conspiracy theory to explain the mechanics of faking all these things.

This also begs the question of what really causes water to boil at a different temperature in Boulder Colorado? Is the government secretly swapping out all the thermometers?

 

[erlando]

Daniel, how do you account for gravity?

Is the Sun a sphere?

 

[John Jones]

Does anybody have some thoughts about how to determine if somebody really believes the Earth is flat?

There is no doubt that widespread conspiracy theories have at least some people faking belief in the theory as a sort of a goof or even for cynical self serving reasons like with regard to birtherism.

But it seems like a lot of "flat earth believers" may not be actual flat earth believers.

I don't want to even come close to violating any JREF rules but if Daniel would allow people to express their ideas about whether Daniel is a true believer flat Earther or not I'd like to hear what they are.

Daniel believes ... well, let us not waste time. Let's ask him:

Daniel, enlighten us on the Theory of Evolution Flat Earth Nonsense. My pastor may not agree with you.

 

[HSienzant]

How do you have Gas Pressure without a Container to begin with?

Begging the question. Who says you need a container?

Does water pressure increase as you go further down?

Why?

Hank

 

[John Jones]

Well to have Gas Pressure (Atmospheric Pressure) you MUST HAVE a Container to begin with; it's called a Contingent Necessary Fact.

[...]

That is incorrect no matter how you textually emphasize it.

The Kinetic Molecular Theory of Gasses says you're promoting crack pottery.

You're welcome.

 

[DGM]

Begging the question. Who says you need a container?

Does water pressure increase as you go further down?

Why?

Hank

Not only does the pressure increase. The surface of the water also curves to conform to the shape of the Earth........He can't explain this in his world.

 

[The_Animus]

could we start making a list of all the organizations and groups of people who are in on the conspiracy?

Would all the following be in on it? Who else?

All aerospace organizations
Mountain Climbers
Anyone involved in GPS
Compass makers

 

[PhantomWolf]

"The "PRESSURE OF A GAS" is the force that the gas exerts on the WALLS OF IT'S CONTAINER".
http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchembook/180pressure.html

Other than that it seems to say what you think it needs to say to make your claim, why is this link gospel? Exactly what makes it the perfect truth? I can provide many links that talk about air pressure and atmospheric pressure that don't talk about having to have a container, rather that air pressure is the force applied to a surface or object created by the weight of the air.

For example, the Encyclopædia Britannica says that....

Atmospheric pressure, also called barometric pressure, force per unit area exerted by an atmospheric column (that is, the entire body of air above the specified area)

kids-fun-science.com says....

What is air pressure? Air pressure is the weight of air molecules pressing down on the Earth. The pressure of the air molecules changes as you move upward from sea level into the atmosphere. The highest pressure is at sea level where the density of the air molecules is the greatest.

National Geographic says....

The air around you has weight, and it presses against everything it touches. That pressure is called atmospheric pressure, or air pressure. It is the force exerted on a surface by the air above it as gravity pulls it to Earth.

So far I seem to have a 3 to 1 advantage on Air Pressure being the force created by the weight of the air and no need for a container, and I'd say that my links are more credible too.

How about we just go right to the Dictionary?

Dictionary.com says....

the force exerted by air, whether compressed or unconfined, on any surface in contact with it.

Hang on, that specifically says... "or unconfined"

Does that means that there can be air pressure without a container....



Oh, why yes, yes we can....

 

[davefoc]

I guess the most pressing question is, What has stopped the worlds population from seeing the edge of the flat Earth over the thousands of years we've existed? I think I need a picture of that to believe..............Lots of pictures of a spherical Earth, not one flat.

I've been wrestling with that a bit as well. I thought since there was penguins on the Galapagos islands that this might be evidence that the Galapagos islands were close to the Antarctic where the frozen wall that is holding back the oceans is located. But now I'm not so sure. Wouldn't all the tourists that fly into the Galapagos have noticed all the icebergs floating around? You'd think somebody would have pictures of that. So it must be someplace else on the equator where Antarctica is located.

And while we're on the topic of not noticing things, I'm still a little unclear as to where the top of this container is. I'm thinking the bottom of the container is the earth and the top of the container is like an upside down salad bowl, except invisible. And it is able to let things pass through it like meteors and asteroids? Of course, the round earthers claim that space craft would have flown through it as well, but those reports are from people that are part of the round Earth conspiracy, so who could trust them?

One thought on this container thing: According to Wikipedia there is a loss of the upper atmosphere gases due mostly to some part of the distribution of gas molecules velocities in the upper atmosphere is large enough to achieve escape velocity and leave the Earth's atmosphere. Wikipedia puts the loss of hydrogen at 3kg per second and the loss of helium at 50 gms per second. Of course, all this is probably based on what round Earther scientists claim so the flat earthers reasonably enough would be skeptical of this.

ETA: Maybe the container is huge so that it contains the entire flat earth sort of like a snow globe with the flat earth floating in it? Maybe the container is more like the container that holds Kandor in Superman's super fortress and the earth is like a little doodad sitting on God's desk some place.

 

[DGM]

I've been wrestling with that a bit as well. I thought since there was penguins on the Galapagos islands that this might be evidence that the Galapagos islands were close to the Antarctic where the frozen wall that is holding back the oceans is located. But now I'm not so sure. Wouldn't all the tourists that fly into the Galapagos have noticed all the icebergs floating around? You'd think somebody would have pictures of that. So it must be someplace else on the equator where Antarctica is located.

And while we're on the topic of not noticing things, I'm still a little unclear as to where the top of this container is. I'm thinking the bottom of the container is the earth and the top of the container is like an upside down salad bowl, except invisible. And it is able to let things pass through it like meteors and asteroids? Of course, the round earthers claim that space craft would have flown through it as well, but those reports are from people that are part of the round Earth conspiracy, so who could trust them?

One thought on this container thing: According to Wikipedia there is a loss of the upper atmosphere gases due mostly to some part of the distribution of gas molecules velocities in the upper atmosphere is large enough to achieve escape velocity and leave the Earth's atmosphere. Wikipedia puts the loss of hydrogen at 3kg per second and the loss of helium at 50 gms per second. Of course, all this is probably based on what round Earther scientists claim so the flat earthers reasonably enough would be skeptical of this.

ETA: Maybe the container is huge so that it contains the entire flat earth sort of like a snow globe with the flat earth floating in it? Maybe the container is more like the container that holds Kandor in Superman's super fortress and the earth is like a little doodad sitting on God's desk some place.

All good thoughts. If only "flat Earth" had a comprehensive theory to explore. Odd how they have had equal time but are so far behind............

 

[The Big Dog]

All good thoughts. If only "flat Earth" had a comprehensive theory to explore. Odd how they have had equal time but are so far behind............

You are talking about people who do not understand basic geometry and how shadows work, so....

 

[davefoc]

All good thoughts. If only "flat Earth" had a comprehensive theory to explore. Odd how they have had equal time but are so far behind............

Thanks I was particularly proud of the Superman Fortress of Solitude reference. A little homage to the ten year old davefoc reading his comic books.