Fire, steel, and 911.

[negativ]

authority figures INSIDE your home/country...who have absolute power and control over you...and who created a document (Patriot Act) that gives them the LEGAL right to abduct you from off the street (for something as little as jaywalking...which basically means...you are completely innocent and aren't even a suspect for any particular crime - of course, this covers any and every single American - criminal or noncriminal) and then proceed to either detain you indefinitely (FOREVER) or execute you....without so much as reporting your abduction and/or execution? Yes, execution as in kill you...without so much as a trial or anything.

And yet, an trouble-making rabble rouser such as yourself is allowed to sit around in his pee-and-mustard-stained underwear all day "exposing" Them on the internets with impunity?

Exposing the Murderous NWO: Safer Than Jay-Walking Since 2001!

 

[Karl Johannes]

Is it a more frightening notion to know that boogeymen outside of your home/country may attack and kill you at any given point....or is it more terrifying knowing that the authority figures INSIDE your home/country...who have absolute power and control over you...and who created a document (Patriot Act) that gives them the LEGAL right to abduct you from off the street (for something as little as jaywalking...which basically means...you are completely innocent and aren't even a suspect for any particular crime - of course, this covers any and every single American - criminal or noncriminal) and then proceed to either detain you indefinitely (FOREVER) or execute you....without so much as reporting your abduction and/or execution? Yes, execution as in kill you...without so much as a trial or anything.

Sorry...but you've been DEBUNKED. It's much scarier thinking the government could and would attack it's own people.

It looks like they have found a new one, Shockems Razor, the scariest explanation must be the truth.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Is it a more frightening notion to know that boogeymen outside of your home/country may attack and kill you at any given point....or is it more terrifying knowing that the authority figures INSIDE your home/country...who have absolute power and control over you...and who created a document (Patriot Act) that gives them the LEGAL right to abduct you from off the street (for something as little as jaywalking...which basically means...you are completely innocent and aren't even a suspect for any particular crime - of course, this covers any and every single American - criminal or noncriminal) and then proceed to either detain you indefinitely (FOREVER) or execute you....without so much as reporting your abduction and/or execution? Yes, execution as in kill you...without so much as a trial or anything.

Sorry...but you've been DEBUNKED. It's much scarier thinking the government could and would attack it's own people.

have you been using john conner as a source again?

you know, theres a reason the MiBs didnt abduct him off the street for that....

 

[28th Kingdom]

You statement of opinion, which you haven't even bothered to try justifying via Sociology/Cultural/Political studies/writings/etc, doesn't debunk anything.

Hey...I'm just messing around, when I use the word DEBUNK! Because...as I have stated...the gross misuse of this word surrounding the events of 9/11 is so unbelievably laughable...that sometimes I just feel compelled to join in on the charades.

Look at the dollar. Look at the balance of trade. Look at the build up and current lack of planning for the Iraq war. Look at the various cases the ACLU and the EFF have brought, look at Enron and WorldCom and Katrina and all the actual bad stuff (incompetence and corruption) which is *really* going on, right under your noses.

Yes, my friend...you are absolutely dead on with those statements...why do you think that quote, "CTers," aren't savvy to these things? Everyone should research what the Federal Reserve actually is...and what it's role is, and when it was created and the aftermath of such creation. This group of PRIVATELY owned banks (meaning completely separate from the government) has actually been endowed with the ability to print all the money in the US...which means, that since 1913, instead of the US government printing it's own money...they now BORROW all the money with INTEREST from the FED. (Privately owned banks)

And, this is the REAL reason we pay income tax...it goes towards the interest the government owes on the money it has BORROWED from the FED. (It costs the FED nothing...they just print the dollars, and then magically make money off of interest from HANDING it over to the government) If you don't think that makes sense...and wonder why the government would ever give away the ability to make the money...only to have to then take loans out from private banks (ever heard of the national debt? Well, this is where it comes from - the debt is to the FED) well, you're right...it DOESN'T make any sense.

Oh yea, since 1971 I believe...the FED went from a gold-backed system to a fiat system...WHICH MEANS - they can literally print as much money as they want...WHENEVER THEY WANT!!!! And yes....it's too much to get into here...but the people who own these PRIVATE banks...are the same ones who ultimately control the economy...because they dictate the interest rates. AND IT'S COMPLETELY separate from the actual government...so when people talk about a shadow government...and such, this is in part what they are talking about...because the government - as you can see...actually has to answer to someone else when it comes to money - which by the way - is the ultimate source of power.

 

[maccy]

Regarding the Patriot Act

Well, I always thought the issue with the Patriot Act was government espionage and individual privacy rights. It makes no additional provisions for detaining anybody.

Looking a bit closer, it seems I was right. Here are some resources:

This seems like a good place to start: http://www.citizenjoe.org/node/211

It's also one of the few places I found that included details of the changes imposed by congress before the Act was renewed.

There's a wikipedia artcle but it's a bit of a mess: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

Some overview and assessments of the 2001 version of the Act:
Slate: http://www.slate.com/id/2087984/
ACLU: http://www.aclu.org/safefree/resources/17343res20031114.html
Electronic Privacy Information Center: http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/usapatriot/

Most importantly, I'd say is that the changes made to the Act since it was first passed and the various ongoing challenges indicate that 9/11 doesn't give Bush carte blanche to pass laws. The fact that the Republicans no longer control Congress just underlines it. The CT fantasy is a fantasy of powerlessness it posits 9/11 as the magic wand that gives the President absolute power. The fantasy is that the only way to defeat the evil government is to expose 9/11 as an inside job. This will happen magically when enough people "wake up" and "see the truth", in the meantime though there's no point in campaigning on anything else, just keep chasing the grail. I think this Counterpunch article describes this attitude well:

http://www.counterpunch.org/jw11282006.html

CTists don't want to change the the Patriot Act because they love the fantasy of being oppressed. However, anybody genuinely concerned about it should join the ACLU's campaign http://action.aclu.org/reformthepatriotact/

Because people bothered to engage with the real world rather than sitting behind their computers and whining, some progress has been made:

Since the Patriot Act was first debated and passed, we’ve made tremendous progress. Thanks to your efforts, the White House was unable to secure the rubber stamp reauthorization and expansion of the Patriot Act it had hoped for. This debate over the need to protect our most fundamental freedoms laid the foundation for the public's rejection of the president's abuses of power, including the warrantless NSA program to spy on Americans. Now, more than ever, Americans are aware of the Bush administration’s reckless policies, and they are speaking out.

The Truth Movement's contribution to all this?

 

[DavidJames]

Hey...I'm just messing around, when I use the word DEBUNK! Because...as I have stated...the gross misuse of this word surrounding the events of 9/11 is so unbelievably laughable...that sometimes I just feel compelled to join in on the charades.



Yes, my friend...you are absolutely dead on with those statements...why do you think that quote, "CTers," aren't savvy to these things? Everyone should research what the Federal Reserve actually is...and what it's role is, and when it was created and the aftermath of such creation. This group of PRIVATELY owned banks (meaning completely separate from the government) has actually been endowed with the ability to print all the money in the US...which means, that since 1913, instead of the US government printing it's own money...they now BORROW all the money with INTEREST from the FED. (Privately owned banks)

And, this is the REAL reason we pay income tax...it goes towards the interest the government owes on the money it has BORROWED from the FED. (It costs the FED nothing...they just print the dollars, and then magically make money off of interest from HANDING it over to the government) If you don't think that makes sense...and wonder why the government would ever give away the ability to make the money...only to have to then take loans out from private banks (ever heard of the national debt? Well, this is where it comes from - the debt is to the FED) well, you're right...it DOESN'T make any sense.

Oh yea, since 1971 I believe...the FED went from a gold-backed system to a fiat system...WHICH MEANS - they can literally print as much money as they want...WHENEVER THEY WANT!!!! And yes....it's too much to get into here...but the people who own these PRIVATE banks...are the same ones who ultimately control the economy...because they dictate the interest rates. AND IT'S COMPLETELY separate from the actual government...so when people talk about a shadow government...and such, this is in part what they are talking about...because the government - as you can see...actually has to answer to someone else when it comes to money - which by the way - is the ultimate source of power.

TS1234 couldn't have said it better himself.

 

[Horatius]

Not to derail a perfectly good paranoid rant about the nature of the money system, but....

Are we ever going to get anything out of you on the evidence we're looking for?

To all those who actually replied with potential evidence that would make you believe or consider believing the PET...I REALLY appreciate it...that was very gracious of you. I'm just feeling drained right now..but I will go back and address most of it later today or tomorrow.

It's been "tomorrow" for quite some time now, and still nothing.

Please don't think that we're simply going to forget about this, just becasue we occasionally humour your digressions into paranoia.

Don't make me go back into Stephen Colbert mode. Nobody wants that!

 

[beachnut]

Hey...I'm just messing around, when I use the word DEBUNK! Because...as I have stated...the gross misuse of this word surrounding the events of 9/11 is so unbelievably laughable...that sometimes I just feel compelled to join in on the charades.



Yes, my friend...you are absolutely dead on with those statements...why do you think that quote, "CTers," aren't savvy to these things? Everyone should research what the Federal Reserve actually is...and what it's role is, and when it was created and the aftermath of such creation. This group of PRIVATELY owned banks (meaning completely separate from the government) has actually been endowed with the ability to print all the money in the US...which means, that since 1913, instead of the US government printing it's own money...they now BORROW all the money with INTEREST from the FED. (Privately owned banks)

And, this is the REAL reason we pay income tax...it goes towards the interest the government owes on the money it has BORROWED from the FED. (It costs the FED nothing...they just print the dollars, and then magically make money off of interest from HANDING it over to the government) If you don't think that makes sense...and wonder why the government would ever give away the ability to make the money...only to have to then take loans out from private banks (ever heard of the national debt? Well, this is where it comes from - the debt is to the FED) well, you're right...it DOESN'T make any sense.

Oh yea, since 1971 I believe...the FED went from a gold-backed system to a fiat system...WHICH MEANS - they can literally print as much money as they want...WHENEVER THEY WANT!!!! And yes....it's too much to get into here...but the people who own these PRIVATE banks...are the same ones who ultimately control the economy...because they dictate the interest rates. AND IT'S COMPLETELY separate from the actual government...so when people talk about a shadow government...and such, this is in part what they are talking about...because the government - as you can see...actually has to answer to someone else when it comes to money - which by the way - is the ultimate source of power.

This is your story, the FED did it? Wow, we waited a day to find out the evil FED did it! What CT site are you one now, or was this a youtube video also.

 

[28th Kingdom]

TS1234 couldn't have said it better himself.

What is TS1234? Sorry, I don't really participate on forums much, so I don't know all the slang.

Thanks.

 

[Horatius]

What is TS1234? Sorry, I don't really participate on forums much, so I don't know all the slang.

Thanks.

Nice to know that you, who insists that everyone here watch every worthless youtube video you link to, doesn't even bother to look at the links we supply. Otherwise, you'd know who or what TS1234 is.

Do you remember this bit?

Everybody sing along with me now!

Next Verse, same as the First!

Bored now.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/94904574d8b0e3f1c.jpg[/qimg]

Click the link. Do it now!

 

[maccy]

Yes, my friend...you are absolutely dead on with those statements...why do you think that quote, "CTers," aren't savvy to these things? Everyone should research what the Federal Reserve actually is...and what it's role is, and when it was created and the aftermath of such creation. This group of PRIVATELY owned banks (meaning completely separate from the government) has actually been endowed with the ability to print all the money in the US...which means, that since 1913, instead of the US government printing it's own money...they now BORROW all the money with INTEREST from the FED. (Privately owned banks)

And, this is the REAL reason we pay income tax...it goes towards the interest the government owes on the money it has BORROWED from the FED. (It costs the FED nothing...they just print the dollars, and then magically make money off of interest from HANDING it over to the government) If you don't think that makes sense...and wonder why the government would ever give away the ability to make the money...only to have to then take loans out from private banks (ever heard of the national debt? Well, this is where it comes from - the debt is to the FED) well, you're right...it DOESN'T make any sense.

Oh yea, since 1971 I believe...the FED went from a gold-backed system to a fiat system...WHICH MEANS - they can literally print as much money as they want...WHENEVER THEY WANT!!!! And yes....it's too much to get into here...but the people who own these PRIVATE banks...are the same ones who ultimately control the economy...because they dictate the interest rates. AND IT'S COMPLETELY separate from the actual government...so when people talk about a shadow government...and such, this is in part what they are talking about...because the government - as you can see...actually has to answer to someone else when it comes to money - which by the way - is the ultimate source of power.

I'd like to see some numbers for this.

The amount of money raised by income tax.

The amount of money the US Government has borrowed from the Federal Reserve.

The annual interest they are paying on this money.

Plus didn't you have something amazing to say about controlled demolition?

 

[GlennB]

Bye

I thought you'd gone?

 

[gmanontario]

28Th something uses CAPS A LOT. HOW can you ARGUE with someone who uses RANDOM CAPS!!! Those CAPS makes it TRUE!!!!

Hilarity at it's finest..thy name is 28th something.

 

[aggle-rithm]

And yet, an trouble-making rabble rouser such as yourself is allowed to sit around in his pee-and-mustard-stained underwear all day "exposing" Them on the internets with impunity?

THANK YOU for a lovely mental image. I shall be taking it to my grave...

 

[Alt+F4]

Sorry...but you've been DEBUNKED. It's much scarier thinking the government could and would attack it's own people.

When you say I've been debunked then YOU are calling FDNY firefighters liars.

You've answered none of my (or anyone else's) questions, you've presented no evidence, you've lied, you've mocked murder victims, you've shown you don't even have a high school knowledge of physics or chemistry and you don't even know how fire works. Take Gravy's advice and learn to read, currently all you can do is cut and paste from conspiracy websites. You have not one single piece of independent evidence that you personally discovered. You're nothing but a parrot of the CT community.

 

[Fnord]

You CT nutters spend so long obsessing about pointless minutiae, far-out crazy schemes and unprovable, bizarre conspiracies that all the real politics, the stuff that actually affects your daily life in quite a profound and direct way, goes barely mentioned.

You're fighting the wrong people.

YES! It's so OBVIOUS! That's what THEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE!

(Am I using enough caps? Just checking...)

It's the SMOKING GUN that PROVES of the governmental CONSPIRACY!!!!

(I thought I'd throw in a few exclamation points for good measure...)

THEY don't want us to know the TRUTH!

(Ooo ... pretty, bold colors too!)

It all started with FOURIDATED WATER -- our PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS are being threatened! How many times does it have to happen before you admit it?!!

("Flouridated water" ... PBF ... ripped straight from Doctor Strangelove and garnished with a rip from the X-Files ... pretty neat, huh?)

I am the Voice-Crying-Out-In-The-Desert! Heed my words or suffer Gomorrah's fate!!!

(Yeah ... maybe the Biblical rips are over the top, but golly, I'm really lonely and pathetic, so maybe becoming a Conspiracy Theorist is my true calling. Maybe I'll set up shop in a single-wide tin tornado magnet and REALLy impress people, especially those hot chicks that dig empties from the dumpster behind Ralph's ...)

-Fnord of Dyscordia-

 

[Horatius]

28Th something uses CAPS A LOT. HOW can you ARGUE with someone who uses RANDOM CAPS!!! Those CAPS makes it TRUE!!!!

Hilarity at it's finest..thy name is 28th something.

Ah, you young'uns just don't remember the classics!

UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of
this IMPORTANT information is ENCOURAGED

 

[Horatius]

Oh, and, Still no response to our suggestions for what we would consider to be good evidence.

 

[WildCat]

Yes, my friend...you are absolutely dead on with those statements...why do you think that quote, "CTers," aren't savvy to these things? Everyone should research what the Federal Reserve actually is...and what it's role is, and when it was created and the aftermath of such creation. This group of PRIVATELY owned banks (meaning completely separate from the government) has actually been endowed with the ability to print all the money in the US...which means, that since 1913, instead of the US government printing it's own money...they now BORROW all the...

[blah blah blah]

...because the government - as you can see...actually has to answer to someone else when it comes to money - which by the way - is the ultimate source of power.

Oh please start a thread about this in Politics.

 

[CurtC]

("Flouridated water"

What's that - water with flour in it?