Fire, steel, and 911.

[Gravy]

Maybe this will help, watch this one first:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJNEVes7WbM

And, this next vid kind of overlaps the first..but at 3:50 in, there is a nice far shot....slowed down with a video filter..showing smoke rising from the basement before the building starts to collapse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os0XgemdMxM

Unfortunately, Husshabuilding^tm technology was perfected too late to be incorporated in the design of the towers. The Sears Tower was the first skyscraper in the U.S. to be Husshabuilding^tm certified.

 

[Gravy]

Everyone who is actively involved in this thread...must write out a summary of their theory just like TAM has so eloquently done here...before I will present my closing statements.

Thanks.

Gravy's theory in a nutshell:

28th Kingdom is one of those rare individuals who somehow learned to write but not to read.

The end.

 

[WildCat]

With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound
He pulls the spitting high tension wires down

Helpless people on a subway train
Scream bug-eyed as he looks in on them

He picks up a bus and he throws it back down
As he wades through the buildings toward the center of town

Oh no, they say hes got to go
Go go godzilla, yeah
Oh no, there goes tokyo
Go go godzilla, yeah

History proves again and again how nature points out the folly of man.

Invisible Godzillas, is there no end to the evil of the PNAC?

 

[gumboot]

History proves again and again how nature points out the folly of man.

Invisible Godzillas, is there no end to the evil of the PNAC?

Didn't you know? Tornados are actually the invisible Godzilla and the invisible Kong fighting with each other.

-Gumboot

 

[Horatius]

Invisible Godzillas, is there no end to the evil of the PNAC?

Yes. As all good Ctists note, the PNAC cannot lie under oath. That's why they want them to testify in an open court.

So there is a limit to their evil. But pretty much everything else is open season - Invisible Godzillas, Invisible King Kongs, Slightly Camoflaged Mothras, Blatantly Obvious Draculas, A Frankenstein's Monster That Just Sort of Sits There, Anything!

 

[beachnut]

It is smoke:

http://killtown.911review.org/images/wtc-gallery/nist1-81/5-14_west-vesey-smoke.jpg
http://killtown.911review.org/images/wtc-gallery/nist1-81/5-15_wtc2-smoke-bottom.jpg

Maybe this will help, watch this one first:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJNEVes7WbM

And, this next vid kind of overlaps the first..but at 3:50 in, there is a nice far shot....slowed down with a video filter..showing smoke rising from the basement before the building starts to collapse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os0XgemdMxM

See the above 28th. It was smoke. Smoke; thanks Bell, smoke. A CT site was used to debunk your mystery smoke. A CT site, poetic.

here too

http://killtown.911review.org/images/wtc-gallery/nist1-81/5-14_west-vesey-smoke.jpg
http://killtown.911review.org/images/wtc-gallery/nist1-81/5-15_wtc2-smoke-bottom.jpg

Bell found this, it shows the mystery smoke is smoke! Know before the collapse, still is smoke, not a smoking gun, just smoke, not an explosion, just smoke; 5 years, still no popping RDX.

 

[beachnut]

Waiting for a revelation...

 

[Fnord]

I just came back from the deli, where an employee of Teva was holding sway over a conversation on the destruction of the Twin Towers. In five minutes, he seemed to cover every woo-woo excuse and claim it all as true and valid.

That's http://www.tevapharm.com/ -- a pharmaceutical company.

I wonder if that guy had been dipping into the generics a little too often...

-Fnord of Dyscordia-

 

[~enigma~]

Some non-woowoos also saw it, and observed that even the woowoos were laughing at Avery's new "evidence."

Thanks for verifying that his video is bunk not that I didn't already think that

 

[28th Kingdom]

Until then be glad that you don't live in a city where Islamic terrorists have killed thousands, it's quite sad and depressing...still. Keep believing that they don't exist and won't ever attack where you live, I'm sure it makes you sleep better at night.

Is it a more frightening notion to know that boogeymen outside of your home/country may attack and kill you at any given point....or is it more terrifying knowing that the authority figures INSIDE your home/country...who have absolute power and control over you...and who created a document (Patriot Act) that gives them the LEGAL right to abduct you from off the street (for something as little as jaywalking...which basically means...you are completely innocent and aren't even a suspect for any particular crime - of course, this covers any and every single American - criminal or noncriminal) and then proceed to either detain you indefinitely (FOREVER) or execute you....without so much as reporting your abduction and/or execution? Yes, execution as in kill you...without so much as a trial or anything.

Sorry...but you've been DEBUNKED. It's much scarier thinking the government could and would attack it's own people.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Is it a more frightening notion to know that boogeymen outside of your home/country may attack and kill you at any given point....or is it more terrifying knowing that the authority figures INSIDE your home/country...who have absolute power and control over you...and who created a document (Patriot Act) that gives them the LEGAL right to abduct you from off the street (without probable cause of any wrong doing...which basically mean...you are completely innocent and aren't even a suspect for any particular crime - of course, this covers any and every single American - criminal or noncriminal) and then proceed to either detain you indefinitely (FOREVER) or execute you....without so much as reporting your abduction and/or execution? Yes, execution as in kill you...without so much as a trial or anything.

Sorry...but you've been DEBUNKED. It's much scarier thinking the government could and would attack it's own people.

You statement of opinion, which you haven't even bothered to try justifying via Sociology/Cultural/Political studies/writings/etc, doesn't debunk anything.

 

[volatile]

Sorry...but you've been DEBUNKED. It's much scarier thinking the government could and would attack it's own people.

You know what? That's at the crux of why all this CT crap irritates and frustrates me so much. While you're wittering on about things you know nothing about and making huge, absurd cases on the flimisest of evidence whilst never confronting the information to the contrary, you're actually missing all the ACTUAL bad stuff your government is doing.

Look at the dollar. Look at the balance of trade. Look at the build up and current lack of planning for the Iraq war. Look at the various cases the ACLU and the EFF have brought, look at Enron and WorldCom and Katrina and all the actual bad stuff (incompetence and corruption) which is *really* going on, right under your noses.

You CT nutters spend so long obsessing about pointless minutiae, far-out crazy schemes and unprovable, bizarre conspiracies that all the real politics, the stuff that actually affects your daily life in quite a profound and direct way, goes barely mentioned.

You're fighting the wrong people.

 

[~enigma~]

Is it a more frightening notion to know that boogeymen outside of your home/country may attack and kill you at any given point....or is it more terrifying knowing that the authority figures INSIDE your home/country...who have absolute power and control over you...and who created a document (Patriot Act) that gives them the LEGAL right to abduct you from off the street (for something as little as jaywalking...which basically means...you are completely innocent and aren't even a suspect for any particular crime - of course, this covers any and every single American - criminal or noncriminal) and then proceed to either detain you indefinitely (FOREVER) or execute you....without so much as reporting your abduction and/or execution? Yes, execution as in kill you...without so much as a trial or anything.

Sorry...but you've been DEBUNKED. It's much scarier thinking the government could and would attack it's own people.

If they start with you i applaud the government.

 

[stateofgrace]

Is it a more frightening notion to know that boogeymen outside of your home/country may attack and kill you at any given point....or is it more terrifying knowing that the authority figures INSIDE your home/country...who have absolute power and control over you...and who created a document (Patriot Act) that gives them the LEGAL right to abduct you from off the street (for something as little as jaywalking...which basically means...you are completely innocent and aren't even a suspect for any particular crime - of course, this covers any and every single American - criminal or noncriminal) and then proceed to either detain you indefinitely (FOREVER) or execute you....without so much as reporting your abduction and/or execution? Yes, execution as in kill you...without so much as a trial or anything.

Sorry...but you've been DEBUNKED. It's much scarier thinking the government could and would attack it's own people.

That’s it? That’s your closing statement?

I don’t want to rain on your parade but there is so much wrong with your opinion.

Let me get it right here, you are saying that 911 was part of a master plan to take away your civil liberties? As somebody who is not from the US, this is absurd. A government so evil, according to you, they would kill 3000 of their own. Yet rather than just send secret death squads out to take out any concerned voices, they announce it. They pass an act, announcing it all. From what I gather the Patriot act is actually aimed at the bad guys, you know those guys who actually really want to kill you, the guys who want to hop on planes and slam them into buildings.

So could you enlighten me? Exactly which civil liberties have you lost? Have you lost the freedom of speech? The right to protest? The right to self expression? Which civil liberty have you personally lost?

Also while you are at it, why is the truth movement active? Why have the leaders not been nabbed off the street? Why are they still spewing garbage onto the net?

The NWO, is its purest form, they pass acts but nothing changes. The only people it affects are the bad guys, but hey according to you, everybody is the bad guy.

Wow, suffer much from paranoia?

Can you not for once actually concern yourself with reality, rather than just making it all up ? I actually object to some of the foreign policy´s from the US, but I do so on fact, not silly misconceptions.Please try it .

 

[Matt32]

Is it a more frightening notion to know that boogeymen outside of your home/country may attack and kill you at any given point....or is it more terrifying knowing that the authority figures INSIDE your home/country...who have absolute power and control over you...and who created a document (Patriot Act) that gives them the LEGAL right to abduct you from off the street (for something as little as jaywalking...which basically means...you are completely innocent and aren't even a suspect for any particular crime - of course, this covers any and every single American - criminal or noncriminal) and then proceed to either detain you indefinitely (FOREVER) or execute you....without so much as reporting your abduction and/or execution? Yes, execution as in kill you...without so much as a trial or anything.

Sorry...but you've been DEBUNKED. It's much scarier thinking the government could and would attack it's own people.

Really? I think I'm going outside and jaywalking on Commonwealth Avenue right now. Unless JREF gets a letter from me in Gitmo a few months from now, or someone finds my obituary stating "executed for jaywalking," we may just find that there's hyperbole being employed here.

P.S. If the government really was all-seeing and all-powerful like you suggest, they'd be using the Patriot Act to go after you first, don'tcha think?

P.P.S. You're not the first person to try and use JREF vocabulary such as "debunking" against its members in an argument. It doesn't work and it never will.

 

[Timble]

Is it a more frightening notion to know that boogeymen outside of your home/country may attack and kill you at any given point....or is it more terrifying knowing that the authority figures INSIDE your home/country...who have absolute power and control over you...and who created a document (Patriot Act) that gives them the LEGAL right to abduct you from off the street (for something as little as jaywalking...which basically means...you are completely innocent and aren't even a suspect for any particular crime - of course, this covers any and every single American - criminal or noncriminal) and then proceed to either detain you indefinitely (FOREVER) or execute you....without so much as reporting your abduction and/or execution? Yes, execution as in kill you...without so much as a trial or anything.

Sorry...but you've been DEBUNKED. It's much scarier thinking the government could and would attack it's own people.

So how long have you been receiving treatment?

 

[Horatius]

.and who created a document (Patriot Act) that gives them the LEGAL right to abduct you from off the street

(for something as little as jaywalking...which basically means...you are completely innocent and aren't even a suspect for any particular crime - of course, this covers any and every single American - criminal or noncriminal)

and then proceed to either detain you indefinitely (FOREVER) or

execute you....

without so much as reporting your abduction and/or execution? Yes, execution as in kill you...

without so much as a trial or anything.

Please give us exact citiations to the portions of the Patriot Act that authorize any of this.

You wouldn't have made such inflamatory statements without knowing (and understanding) the exact and true wording of the law, would you?

You'll have to excuse my skepticism, but CTists have a history of completely misunderstanding the written word.

 

[volatile]

Sorry...but you've been DEBUNKED. It's much scarier thinking the government could and would attack it's own people.

You know what? That's at the crux of why all this CT crap irritates and frustrates me so much. While you're wittering on about things you know nothing about and making huge, absurd cases on the flimisest of evidence whilst never confronting the information to the contrary, you're actually missing all the ACTUAL bad stuff your government is doing.

Look at the dollar. Look at the balance of trade. Look at the build up and current lack of planning for the Iraq war. Look at the various cases the ACLU and the EFF have brought, look at Enron and WorldCom and Katrina and all the actual bad stuff (incompetence and corruption) which is *really* going on, right under your noses.

You CT nutters spend so long obsessing about pointless minutiae, far-out crazy schemes and unprovable, bizarre conspiracies that all the real politics, the stuff that actually affects your daily life in quite a profound and direct way, goes barely mentioned.

You're fighting the wrong people.

 

[apathoid]

You know what? That's at the crux of why all this CT crap irritates and frustrates me so much. While you're wittering on about things you know nothing about and making huge, absurd cases on the flimisest of evidence whilst never confronting the information to the contrary, you're actually missing all the ACTUAL bad stuff your government is doing.

Look at the dollar. Look at the balance of trade. Look at the build up and current lack of planning for the Iraq war. Look at the various cases the ACLU and the EFF have brought, look at Enron and WorldCom and Katrina and all the actual bad stuff (incompetence and corruption) which is *really* going on, right under your noses.

You CT nutters spend so long obsessing about pointless minutiae, far-out crazy schemes and unprovable, bizarre conspiracies that all the real politics, the stuff that actually affects your daily life in quite a profound and direct way, goes barely mentioned.

You're fighting the wrong people.

Great post. Sums up exactly how I feel(as a New Orleans native, and someone who has the misfortune of working in one of the hardest hit industries by 9/11 and the ensuing fallout).

 

[Horatius]

Great post. Sums up exactly how I feel

I agree. I tried to make the same point to TS1234 on more than one occasion, but of course it had no effect.

If only we had made the Towers out of the same stuff CTists use for their skulls.....