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Oystein said:
There is no evidence except in their delusions. As I wrote in the concluision of my blog post All "Truther" Petitions fail miserably:

" In my opinion, all these petitions document that, today, "9/11 Truth" is a fringe issue that no more than a few thousand individuals worldwide have an actual interest in.

I suspect that the "truth" leaders who set up such petitions are sincere in their belief that they have "millions" on their side, and that they sincerely believe to break into widespread popular support any day now, and that thus their hope to at least approach 1 million of signatures isn't far-fetched.

These "truth" leaders are deluded. They live in a tiny bubble, frequent echo chambers, where the fringe few thousands mutually amplify their delusions. "​

These two old petitions, one from late 2001, one from March 2006, gathered ten times as many signatures in their first year than today's best could. Those were the golden days of 9/11 Twoof. Rather than reaching a tipping point towards world domination, da Twoof is sinking more and more into oblivion - demonstrably.
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This is all fantastic and painstaking work, Oystein. Yes, you stated it well: a fringe issue with few supporters. I question if there are any true believers in a "9/11 Was An Inside Job" theory at all or if their motivations are mostly financial [Gage] or simply anti-govt swayings. It will be interesting to see, 20 years from now, which will be the 30 year period of the heyday of Kennedy Assassination leanings that peaked with Oliver Stone's "JFK" movie, if there becomes a period of 9/11 CT theory that enjoys wide spread acceptance. The proliferation of the internet was certainly the breeding ground for 9/11 to have enjoyed it's peak popularity in the first 5 years, but I would also conclude that it has been the internet that has helped to push it to its fringe status.
 
Oystein said:
I posted a documentation of the 4 most successful recent truther petitions in my blog:

All "Truther" petitions fail miserably

Visualizing their (lack of) success and support vs. stated or implied goals of reaching a million or 100,000 signatures.
Concluding with my opinion that the truthers who state such hopes are probably sincere, but deluded: They don't have "millions" on their side. They actually document again and again that there are no more than some thoudands of individuals worldwide who care for "9/11 Twoof". A tiny fringe.
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Oystein said:
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These two old petitions, one from late 2001, one from March 2006, gathered ten times as many signatures in their first year than today's best could. Those were the golden days of 9/11 Twoof. Rather than reaching a tipping point towards world domination, da Twoof is sinking more and more into oblivion - demonstrably.
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1 1/2 years later. I had lost interest (and haven't regained it in earnest).

In the meantime, in October 2013, JM Talboo had written a reply to my blog post on his Debunking the Debunkers blog: http://911debunkers.blogspot.de/2013/10/911-truth-petitions-and-polls-and.html
Points to the Rethink911 petition (then at 14,616 signatories, now already near 20,000), and various opinion polls, to refute my assertion that da Truth is a fringe issue only a few thousand people in the world care for.
Well, I think he just makes my point. There is a LOT of heavily funded advertising behind the Rethink campaign, and still they fail to even match the 22,300 signers that AE911T has so far, after more than 7 years. All the other petions nowadays fail even worse.


And now, JM promotes yet another petition in his blog post Sign the petition: California Investigate 9/11 . Petition at http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/california-investigate.fb48?source=s.icn.fb&r_by=1701013
JM blogged this on November 28. More than three days ago.
He was the 51st - and so far last - signer of that petition, on Nov 22. Not a single reader of his blog has been prompted to sign!

:D
 
The petition is gaining momentum:

CURRENT PETITION SIGNERS
55. I. P. Freely from New Rochelle, NY signed this petition on Dec 2, 2014.
54. A. Nell Soars from Hackinsack, NJ signed this petition on Dec 2, 2014.
53. Jenny Tullwarts from Springfield, NE signed this petition on Dec 2, 2014.
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A propos ReThink911 petition: It started (apparently, I am not completely sure) in early September 2013, got over 3000 signatures almost instantly (or so it appears, looking back on the WayBackMachine) and now stands at 19,821 signatures.
Sounds impressive, eh?
As you would expect, most signatures came early on:



Twenty Thousand seems like some sort of success, BUT they have a different goal:

Rethink-Morons said:
When this petition reaches one million signers, it will be delivered to the Head of State of every nation that lost citizens in the attacks of September 11, 2001.
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Ok, let's scale the plot to the goal of 1 million signers:



After spending tens of thousands of dollars on billboards and what not, and more than a year, they are still under 2% of their goal?? Who exactly do they think they are kidding? To get to 1,000,000, would they have to spend millions on ads, and wait 50 years, or shouldn't they simply admit that only a few thousand persons worldwide actually take an interest in their bunk?


Oh, and these petitioners, whom are they petitioning? Here is who:
ReThink-Morons said:
To All Authorities Who Have the Sworn Duty and Legal Authority to Investigate the Events of September 11, 2001, Including Those in the United States, Those in Other Sovereign Nations, and International Bodies
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This is everybody and nobody, really. What morons!

Look: http://rethink911.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ReThink911-September-4-Release.pdf
The international ad campaign and poll have been financed by more than $225,000 in donations from over 2,000 supporters of ReThink911.
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2000 supporters each supposedly gave, on average, over $100, and it bought them 0.1 signatories per dollar?? Why don't they hand out 5-dollar-bills in the street in return for a god-darned signature?? Would be cheaper, mire efficient, and every bit as meaningful!
 
carlitos said:
The petition is gaining momentum:
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It certainly is:

60. Amanda Huggenkis from Sarasota, FL signed this petition on Dec 2, 2014.
59. Incontinentia Buttocks from San Francisco, CA signed this petition on Dec 2, 2014.
58. Naughtius Maximus from Rancho Mirage, CA signed this petition on Dec 2, 2014.
57. Bigus Dickus from Nordland, WA signed this petition on Dec 2, 2014.
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What's so funny about "Biggus Dickus"? I have a very great friend in Rome called Biggus Dickus!
 
Close to the Goal ...thanks to the following supporters!

67. Kareem Oliver Diaz from Caveman, Afghanistan signed this petition on Dec 3, 2014.
66. Wilma Fingerdoo from Bedrock, CO signed this petition on Dec 3, 2014.
65. Todd Lerfondler from Springfield, CT signed this petition on Dec 3, 2014.
64. Phillip Oliver Holz from Springfield, ME signed this petition on Dec 3, 2014.
63. Jacques Sheet from Springfield, LA signed this petition on Dec 3, 2014.
62. Dixie Rect from Springfield, AK signed this petition on Dec 3, 2014.
61. O. B. Wankanobe from Tatooine, CA signed this petition on Dec 3, 2014.
 
Mr.Herbert said:
Close to the Goal ...thanks to the following supporters!

67. Kareem Oliver Diaz from Caveman, Afghanistan signed this petition on Dec 3, 2014.
66. Wilma Fingerdoo from Bedrock, CO signed this petition on Dec 3, 2014.
65. Todd Lerfondler from Springfield, CT signed this petition on Dec 3, 2014.
64. Phillip Oliver Holz from Springfield, ME signed this petition on Dec 3, 2014.
63. Jacques Sheet from Springfield, LA signed this petition on Dec 3, 2014.
62. Dixie Rect from Springfield, AK signed this petition on Dec 3, 2014.
61. O. B. Wankanobe from Tatooine, CA signed this petition on Dec 3, 2014.
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I don't see the good Dr Cameron Porter. I see his name flash by on the AE site but I'm not sure he's active. ;)
 
DGM said:
I don't see the good Dr Cameron Porter. I see his name flash by on the AE site but I'm not sure he's active. ;)
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69. Dr. Cameron Porter from RichardGage, CA signed this petition on Dec 3, 2014.

:D
 
Oystein said:
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And now, JM promotes yet another petition in his blog post Sign the petition: California Investigate 9/11 . Petition at http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/california-investigate.fb48?source=s.icn.fb&r_by=1701013
JM blogged this on November 28. More than three days ago.
He was the 51st - and so far last - signer of that petition, on Nov 22. Not a single reader of his blog has been prompted to sign!

:D
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Most of the attention comes from Facebook of course, not from any blogs, I am sure.

That petition was started on Nov 11 by a certain Gregg Grider from San Jose, CA.
This man has 2 FB profiles:
https://www.facebook.com/gregg.grider (145 friends)
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008173158492 (70 friends)

He first posted the link to his petition on the first FB account late on the 11th, and on the second account late on the 13th.
Of his friends, the following 5 signed:
5. Carol Fifi
6. Steve Thomas
7. Michael Atkinson
11. Kathleen C. Feeney, Esq.
12. Mary Pishney

Then on Nov 16 and again on Nov 18, 51. John-Michael Talboo posted it on his facebook page (without signing himself until several days later) with more success - the following 13 of his 741 friends signed:

17. Debra Britt
18. dan hennen
19. Jonnah Knox
20. Charles Ewing Smith
21. Mark Jensen
22. Mike Baldwin
23. Steve Lane
28. Steven Borchers
30. James Coyle
32. Geoff Forgie
34. Chris Sarns
37. Laila Selk
46. Kimberly Talboo


I also saw those names I recognize as old "Truth" war horses:
24. David Cole (aka kawika)
36. Daniel Barnum (one of Gage's more prominent architects)


Of course, my posting here 5 days ago added 23 more signatures - although I doubt they come from 23 distinct humans :D

Sooo of the 50 possibly real people that signed, 18 are FB friends of the initiator, Grider, and his FB friend Talboo. Given that they have a total of around 900 FB-friends, and a large portion of those are already truthers, 18 signatures (2%) is VERY weak! Plus, it doesn't apear at all like any of their friends tried to make this go viral.
What's up with these folks? Does their activism stop at sharing and liking FB entries??

Many of these truther friends are now sporting a banner on the left of their FB profile picture: "9/11 Truth USA". This is an initiative by a certain Claudio Marty, who set up a FB group "I Am The Face of Truth 911 Awareness Profile Pics" about 5 months ago, which has 3887 members today - less of 15% of which actually have this "Face of Truth" profile pic (Talboo's friends: 30%).

3887 in 5 months - only 500 that carry the badge. Wow. And here is Mr. Claudio Marty's ambitious goal:
http://iamthefaceoftruth.com/Branding/Profile/
"2,420,000,000 users on these social networks alone. Our profile pictures have alot of potential to get these people aware that 9/11 was a fraud. If only 1% of these people woke up, that's 24,200,000 new Truthers! "​
Wow, just wow! 3887 in 5 months, at that pace he'll reach 24,200,000 in just under 2600 years :D
 
Oystein said:
Most of the attention comes from Facebook of course, not from any blogs, I am sure.

That petition was started on Nov 11 by a certain Gregg Grider from San Jose, CA.
This man has 2 FB profiles:
https://www.facebook.com/gregg.grider (145 friends)
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008173158492 (70 friends)

He first posted the link to his petition on the first FB account late on the 11th, and on the second account late on the 13th.
Of his friends, the following 5 signed:
5. Carol Fifi
6. Steve Thomas
7. Michael Atkinson
11. Kathleen C. Feeney, Esq.
12. Mary Pishney

Then on Nov 16 and again on Nov 18, 51. John-Michael Talboo posted it on his facebook page (without signing himself until several days later) with more success - the following 13 of his 741 friends signed:

17. Debra Britt
18. dan hennen
19. Jonnah Knox
20. Charles Ewing Smith
21. Mark Jensen
22. Mike Baldwin
23. Steve Lane
28. Steven Borchers
30. James Coyle
32. Geoff Forgie
34. Chris Sarns
37. Laila Selk
46. Kimberly Talboo


I also saw those names I recognize as old "Truth" war horses:
24. David Cole (aka kawika)
36. Daniel Barnum (one of Gage's more prominent architects)


Of course, my posting here 5 days ago added 23 more signatures - although I doubt they come from 23 distinct humans :D

Sooo of the 50 possibly real people that signed, 18 are FB friends of the initiator, Grider, and his FB friend Talboo. Given that they have a total of around 900 FB-friends, and a large portion of those are already truthers, 18 signatures (2%) is VERY weak! Plus, it doesn't apear at all like any of their friends tried to make this go viral.
What's up with these folks? Does their activism stop at sharing and liking FB entries??

Many of these truther friends are now sporting a banner on the left of their FB profile picture: "9/11 Truth USA". This is an initiative by a certain Claudio Marty, who set up a FB group "I Am The Face of Truth 911 Awareness Profile Pics" about 5 months ago, which has 3887 members today - less of 15% of which actually have this "Face of Truth" profile pic (Talboo's friends: 30%).

3887 in 5 months - only 500 that carry the badge. Wow. And here is Mr. Claudio Marty's ambitious goal:
http://iamthefaceoftruth.com/Branding/Profile/
"2,420,000,000 users on these social networks alone. Our profile pictures have alot of potential to get these people aware that 9/11 was a fraud. If only 1% of these people woke up, that's 24,200,000 new Truthers! "​
Wow, just wow! 3887 in 5 months, at that pace he'll reach 24,200,000 in just under 2600 years :D
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Chris Sarns doesn't count as an old "Truth" warhorse?
 
More Million Men Madness!

Here is a FB-group overtly trumpeting their target:

1,000,000 people for 911 TRUTH

They are at 20,146 members right now - wow, over 2% already :p
I don't know where I can see when the group was founded, but most of its admins were added "more than a year ago" (which I suppose also means "less than 2 years ago").
At the current pace, 50-100 years to reach 1 million...
But of course those 20,000 are recruited from the same old pool and include for example
John-Michael Talboo
Rick Shaddock
Laila Selk
Pamela Senzee
Robert M Bowman
Frank Legge
Mark Graham
Dirk Gerhardt (the only truther I ever met in person!)


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And I just found yet another FB-group that trumpets the million-target:

1,000,000+ Citizens for an Independent Investigation of Sept.11th, 2001
Founded also more than a year, and probably less than two years, ago. 10,239 members now. Among them most of the above:
Rick Shaddock
Laila Selk
Pamela Senzee
Robert M Bowman
Mark Graham
Dirk Gerhardt
...plus:
David Chandler
David Fura







Like I said: 9/11 Truth is something that only a few thousand individuals world wide take an actual interest in.
 
Oystein said:
a. I didn't say he is
b. But why not? :confused:
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He was on the list you gave, and others were called out as warhorses. No biggie, just pointing it out. We can't forget dear old C7, even though he has long kept shy of here. Busy improving his MSPaintFire techniques, no doubt.

17. Debra Britt
18. dan hennen
19. Jonnah Knox
20. Charles Ewing Smith
21. Mark Jensen
22. Mike Baldwin
23. Steve Lane
28. Steven Borchers
30. James Coyle
32. Geoff Forgie
34. Chris Sarns37. Laila Selk
46. Kimberly Talboo


I also saw those names I recognize as old "Truth" war horses:
24. David Cole (aka kawika)
36. Daniel Barnum (one of Gage's more prominent architects)
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LSSBB said:
He was on the list you gave, and others were called out as warhorses. No biggie, just pointing it out. We can't forget dear old C7, even though he has long kept shy of here. Busy improving his MSPaintFire techniques, no doubt.
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Ah I had misunderstood your previous post. I thought you were denying that Sarns was one, instead of suggesting it. Kinda ignored the question mark.
Laila Selk is also a name that I recognize as an old-time AE-volunteer since at least 2009.
 
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