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Find me petitions, please!

Oystein, Orphia: Believe me, I really have not considered any kind of serious petition which could be send to some US officials, senators or so:cool:

I meant it just as a kind of additional "fun" we could have here, facing to so called "truthers", and perhaps as an attempt to concisely formulate our attitudes and findings.
 
OK, Ivan, can you propose a statement of facts on 9/11 that we could all agree on and sign? Forget about the wording for now, just throw out some bullets with what and what not to include!

ETA: Perhaps a new thread?
 
There has to be some goal to achieve based on the recipients of the petition taking some action.

So what action do you/we want? And who do we want to take that action?

And how do we deal with non US citizens involvement - what is the basis of legitimacy for them?
 
Snowcrash is talking crap again. Debunkers/Sane People don't need to petition anyone. Snowcrash should be suggesting we start a poll.

Notwithstanding the lack of "Is water wet?" or "Is gravity gravity?" websites to publish such a poll on, or the fact that online polls can be spammed, here's a suggestion for a giggle:


Is believing that America purposely killed 2,976 of their own residents in the 9/11 attacks stupid?

[ ] Yes

There should be no "no" answer, because that would encourage truthers to spam the poll.

:p
 
Oz, we could demand "Truth" and "Honesty" from "America". That would be on par with Jon Gold's petition, which he calls a "statement" :p
 
For fun, and to escape the heat of siesta time, I looked at the petition at change.org President Obama: 9/11 Families Ask You to Watch “9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out” that is currently (since Jun 19, 64 days) run by AE911Truth.

It has currently 739 supporters in 2 months (11.5 / day)

At the bottom right of that petition page they show the most recent 9 signers of the petition. You can click on the names to see their activities at change.org. I did that with the 9 most recent names, looked at the most recent other petition they signed, and how well these other petitions have done. Here are the results:

(* OS) Ric Watkins (Phoenix, AZ): Help my autistic son get a life-saving heart transplant - 259,428 supporters, 253,428 of these since Aug 08 (>16,000 / day)

lesley St Nicholas (Pt. Roberts, WA): Stand with Barack Obama and Joe Biden against the Go Back Team - 25,971 supporters, almost all of these today (>25,000 / day)

Noel Barbash (Denver, CO): CEO of AT&T: Urge the Boy Scouts to Drop Ban on Gay Leaders and Troops - 80,807 supporters, and Victory, within about 4 weeks (>2,800 / day)

Khandaker Islam (Ingleburn, Australia): United Nations: TIPAIMUKH DAM MUST BE STOPPED - 52,138 supporters within about half a year (>250 / day)

Lynnette Alexander (Eugene, OR): [none]

Fran Burke (Cordes Lakes, AZ): Urge the Obama Administration: Stop Mountaintop Removal Mining - 28,882 supporters within about a month (>900 / day)

(* OS) George Ripley (Washington, DC): Safe passage for Julian Assange - Salvoconducto para Julian Assange - 1,025 supporters within 3 days (>300 / day)

Donald Heffern (Mission Viejo, CA): Stand with StudentsFirst and Support Comprehensive Anti-Bullying Legislation - 652,437 supporters since last November or October (>2000 / day) and 152,437 supporters in the last 3 weeks (>7000 / day)

(* OS) Amy Harlib (New York, NY): Selma City Council: No More Monuments to KKK Hate! - 61,225 supporters in 1 week (>8,000 / day)


It seems like the vast majority of causes supported by those who support Gage are more popular, or more successful in gathering votes than Gage by factors of 20 to >1,000


It's not that such petition platforms don't work - the do work. It is totally obvious that 9/11 Twoof simply is not an issue supported by more than a small fringe.



(ETA: Those denoted with a (* OS) have also signed the AE911Truth petition as "Other Supporters")
 
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Jon Gold's petition has been translated to French and been promoted on French language CT sites:
http://www.reopen911.info/11-septem...es-du-mouvement-international-pour-la-verite/

This gave him an influx of several dozend new signatures from people with French names, and three to four times as many signatures as he had before that event.

The page linked above also has links to more 9/11 petitions:
http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?page_id=469
Do you remember WTC 7 ? (By Chris Sarns) - 223 signatures since Feb 10, 2012
(and some others that have disappeared, or are not 9/11-related)
 
I see Niels Harrit is pimped as a signatory of Jon Gold's petition on the French site.

CD much, Jon?
 
Here's a funny petition.

http://www.change.org/petitions/december-21-2012-petition-for-the-truth

This petition for the TRUTH is meant to serve as a plea to our world government leaders for answers, acknowledgment or denial that they know or are aware that a life changing event is going to occur on or before the highly anticipated date of December 21 2012.

This plea is based on the seemingly endless number of prophecies, predictions and theories surrounding what many believe could be the end of the world as we know it.

Millions of people around the world strongly believe in the realities of coming disaster, while others simply ponder the possibilities.

The people of our planet are frightened and are looking for true and honest answers from our trusted leaders.

It’s time for the leaders of our free nations to step up and tell us what they know or don’t know about the coming events of December 21 2012.
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It has 2,993 signatures. Can't see a date of inception, but the video that goes with it was uploaded on Feb 20, 2012.

I see some parallels with the truth movement and the 2012 apocalypsers.
 
Orphia,

yes, Niels is on it, Justin Keogh (former ae911t board member), too. A few dozend of the comments also suggest that these signers believe in CD, but such comments are a minority, which Jon is happy to include.
By the way, Jon's petition enjoyed only 3 days of breaking the downward trend from someone having the text promoted in French, but yesterday it was back to only the usual handful of signatures. I predicted earlier in the thread that there'd be only around 2 signatures per day by the end of the month - he beat me ti that. I also predicted he wouldn't get to 1,000 before october 1st, if ever. With the ca. 100 extra signatures from the French initiative, he might beat that by a couple of weeks - we'll see.

The end-of-the-world petition is indeed funny ^^ (and far more successful than any of the twoofer petiotions will be until the world ends in december ^^)
 
I am 5 days late with this, but still, here comes the

End of August update

I am now monitoring six Twoofer petitions that have been started since February.

And here is how they fared in August:
Petition|Created by|Started|Total sig 07/31|new sig August|Total sig 08/31
Do you remember WTC 7 ? |Chris Sarns|Feb|179|+44|223
9/11 Congressional Review |?|Mar|153|+5|158
Properly Investigate the Crimes of 9/11 |James Hufferd|Apr|187|+2|189
Revise the US gov final report on Building 7 |Mark Graham|May|1524|+44|1568
Obama: Watch “Experts Speak Out” |AE911Truth|Jun|638|+158|796
Statement For 9/11 Justice |Jon Gold|Aug|0|+752|752

So we see the newer a petition is, the more signatures it got last month (Sarns got a boost when his was co-promoted on a French twoofer website along with Gold's). The following diagram shows how signatures/day developed on each petition month by month:

PetitionsSum_201202-201208.jpg


This has 26 data points. Of these, only six are above 10 signatures/day, five of those representing the first calendar month a petition was online (which was only between 2 and 11 days for three of these). 16 data points are under 1.5 signatures per day.


I am quite happy to see that Jon Gold, whom I consider to be the most reasonable guys among those who set up petitions (he is not a CD nut and goes after the political rather then the technical aspects) has in the meantime surpassed the AE911Truth petition (Jon is at 957 right now, after 33 days, while Gage is left behind at 838, after 79 days). Of course, Jon has written on blogs that he hopes to get this into "the millions". I predicted earlier that he wouldn't reach 1000 before october, and it looks like I was wrong. He got two boosts after the initial pace died down:

20120905_ipetitionsComGold_numbernewPerDay.jpg


The first of the recent peaks, centered around Aug 27th, came when his petition was translated and posted on a French twoofer board (there were more than 60 signatures with French names or comments). I haven't found a cause for the second peak, around Sep 2nd/3rd, yet.

Jon's almost 1000 signatures is relatively impressive (compared to the others) since his chosen platform, ipetitions.com, seems to be relatively obscure. I have seen hardly any petition there that scores more than 1000, while three of the other four platforms (avaaz.org, signon.org, change.org) routinely have even regional and local issues easily run into the tens and hundreds of thousands of signatures.



We are now five days away from the 11th anniversary. Perhaps that helps some petitions to gain exposure and a few more clicks. Eventually, of course, none will have achieved anything better than to document that the Twoof Movement in 2012 is down to a tiny fringe of a few thousand followers worldwide.
 
Oystein said:
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We are now five days away from the 11th anniversary. Perhaps that helps some petitions to gain exposure and a few more clicks. Eventually, of course, none will have achieved anything better than to document that the Twoof Movement in 2012 is down to a tiny fringe of a few thousand followers worldwide.
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And how I was right!

I am still monitoring 6 online-petitions opened by truthers during 2012. Three of these are practically dead, these gained only 2 signatures each during the entire month of september, and they all have no more than 225 signatures total after more than 5 to 7 months:
Do you remember WTC 7? (Chris Sarns): 225 signatures since February
9/11 Congressional Review: 160 since March
Properly Investigate the Crimes of 9/11 (James Hufferd): 191 since April


Three other petitions, started between May and August, have now each gathered between 1151 and 1639 signatures.
More than 1000 may seem respectable, even impressive, but should always be gauged against other petitions on the same platform, many of which easily reach tens and hundreds of thousands; and more importantly against the hopes and expectations of truthers - Jon Gold actually hoped to get "millions" of people to sign his!

Revise the U.S. government final report on the collapse of Building 7 (Mark Graham): 1639 signatures since May, 71 new in September
President Obama: ... Watch “9/11: Explosive Evidence” (Richard Gage): 1258 since June, 462 new in september
Statement For 9/11 Justice (Jon Gold): 1151 since August, 399 in September

Here is how they developed during september - remember, I predicted there would be more signatures around the 11th anniversary of 9/11, and indeed all three petitions peaked at and around that date:

MajorPetitions_201209.jpg



All six petitions since they were started show a commom pattern of starting strong and dropping sharply, then fading out:

PetitionsSum_201202-201209.jpg


There is the notable exception of Gage's petition, which is prominently featured on the top right of the AE911Truth homepage, which managed to get more signatures in September than the previous month. Almost all of that increase was due to the anniversary-peak, which most likely was helped by ae911truth.org getting many times as many page hits around that date than usual:

20120930ae911truthOrgPageHitsSep2012.jpg


So this is currently the best promoted petition, but its success is by no means viral, it is correlated to page hits.

For october, I predict the two leading petitions (Gage and Gold) to have daily clicks drop sharply, below the August level. All others are already near a flatline.
 
I found yet another new petition:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...ctive-thermitic-material-ground-zero/jSsWs2Nc

we petition the obama administration to:
Conduct a new investigation of 9/11/01 that takes into account the presence of Active Thermitic Material at Ground Zero.

A team of scientists, led by Danish chemist Niels Harrit, conducted research that indicates the presence of Active Thermitic Material in all dust samples taken from the 9/11/01 World Trade Center catastrophe.

Here is the science: http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.pdf

In the version of events presented by the 9/11 Commission Report, there is no mention of this finding. Nor is there any mention of the fact that WTC 7, a forty-seven story, steel-framed structure collapsed, at free-fall acceleration, at 5:20 pm on the day of the attack.

The "War on Terror" will never end until the fundamental lie of 9/11 is exposed. There can be no peace here or abroad until the actual criminals of 9/11 have been tried in a court of law.

We demand truth, justice, and peace.
Created: Nov 14, 2012
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Five days old, has 5 signatures right now, needs 25,000 by December 14 :D




(As for the other six petitons: I am still tracking, but you haven't missed a thing, all are pretty quiet.)
 
Oystein:

(From the petition: "Here is the science: http://www.benthamscience.com/open/t...002/7TOCPJ.pdf")

Hehe;):D
 
Hehe yeah. If there were an index for scientific papers that tracked a ratio between the numbers of times they are cited by science peers vs. non-scientists/outside their field, this paper would definitely be in the bottom-10, or tied in last place at a ratio of 0.000 :D
 
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