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Oystein said:
Hehe yeah. If there were an index for scientific papers that tracked a ratio between the numbers of times they are cited by science peers vs. non-scientists/outside their field, this paper would definitely be in the bottom-10, or tied in last place at a ratio of 0.000 :D
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On the other hand... isn't Harrit's paper one of the most frequently opened/cited papers among non-scientists/laymen? I just wonder.
Just take me... Since I'm rather chaotic in organizing my PC documents, I'm always lazy to find my copy of the paper in some folder; therefore I always download the paper directly from the Bentham web. And I have opened it at least two hundred times last two years, clearly contributing to its "internet success;)
 
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I found yet another new petition:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...ctive-thermitic-material-ground-zero/jSsWs2Nc

Five days old, has 5 signatures right now, needs 25,000 by December 14 :D

(As for the other six petitons: I am still tracking, but you haven't missed a thing, all are pretty quiet.)
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That was November 19th.
This petittion now has 12 signatures down 24,988 to go :D


The other six petitions I have been monitoring have attracted this many signatures per day in recent monts:

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So five of them are down to background trickle of 0-1 per day, and only the AE911Truth peition at change.org (not to be confused with their main A&E Petition) has a bottom level of ca. 5 per day - that was the level in August, October and November. Only September was an exception. Reason: the 11th anniversary drew scores of visitors to the ae911truth.org website on 09/11/12 - here a chart of page views per day in the last 4 months:

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<--- *switches light off, leaves thread, and wishes all petitions sweet dreams*
 
It's been a while since I came across a new attempt at starting a 9/11 Petition, but yesterday, RL McGee of 911Blogger didi it:

Investigate 9/11 World Trade Center Destruction
http://www.petition2congress.com/9557/investigate-911-world-trade-center-destruction/

That site has people sign, and then send emails to Congresspeople. I usually count the signers. So far, only Robert M. has signed, though not been counted, which makes me suppose it's the initiator of that petition, and he has sent 4 "Letters" so far.

Blogger "RL McGee" announced this today at 911Blogger, so I suppose RL McGee is this Robert M. person from Kinston, NC.

I shall monitor ;)


Meanwhile, four of the six petition I kept monitoring are dead as ever, without a single signature among them in March so far and a total of 2,325 since they started in last year's February-May.
Jon Gold's "statement" picks up about 1 signature per day and has 1310 since August.

Only Richard Gage's "family petition" has taken off since yesterday, as they sent out an action alert to all their old AE911Truth Petition signers and newsletter recipients. They are today getting signatures at a pace of almost 1000 per day - but that will wane in a few days, when the email grows old and is forgotten.
 
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Only Richard Gage's "family petition" has taken off since yesterday, as they sent out an action alert to all their old AE911Truth Petition signers and newsletter recipients. They are today getting signatures at a pace of almost 1000 per day - but that will wane in a few days, when the email grows old and is forgotten.
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I said it before, I'll say it again: 9/11 Truth is utterly out of touch with reality!

On Thursday, 07 March 2013 20:16 (I would think this is Pacific time, or local time at Gage's office, but perhaps UT or Eastern), ae911thruth.org posted this:
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-s...ition-help-us-reach-1-million-signatures.html

"Sign the AE911Truth FAMILY MEMBER PETITION
Help us reach 1 Million Signatures!"​

The same evening, they mailed out an "action alert" to their signers and newsletter recipient - such as yours truly. They sent my mail on "Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:58:56 -0800" - so that's explicitly Pacific Time now, UT-8 hours. March 8th, 2am my time (central Europe).

Said petition is
http://www.change.org/petitions/pre...h-9-11-explosive-evidence-experts-speak-out-2

It had 2,613 since June of last year by the end of March 6th, picking up only 1 or 2 signatures per day.
A day later, or more precisely 24 hours 15 minutes later, the count was at 3,474, and again 24:15 hours later at 4,482 - 878 and 998 new signatures per day! They'd "only" need 1,000 days like these to reach 1 million. Never before has any truther petition seen this many new signatures! But 40-50% of these came from people who had previously signed the old A&E-petition, so it was an effect of them mailing to 18,000 or more of the people they had collected through 6 long years of marketing and campaigning.

Would this go viral?
Of course not!

By te next day, end of March 9th, the pace was down to 181 signatures/day and by March 10th further down to 95:

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At that pace, it would take 27 years to reach 1 million! :D


It's not like change.org is a bad place to launch petitions. Lots of petitions there go into the tens and hundreds of thousands of signatures. No problem for popular issues like animal and human rights, personalized stories like needy children, and also for issues related to topics that enjoy widespread campaigning such as the environment or lesbian an gay rights. But here are a few not-so-sexy issues that are listed under "Popular - This week":



So Gage wants to make his supporters believe their movement can mobilze a million?? He is either very seriously deluded about his reach and the standing of his claims in the population, or he lied. When the effect of ,ailing his couple of tenthousand faithful on the fringe has faded, this petition will again fall dormant, at little more than 5000 signatures, and have failed to reach the goal by a factor of 200.
 
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Oystein said:
It's been a while since I came across a new attempt at starting a 9/11 Petition, but yesterday, RL McGee of 911Blogger didi it:

Investigate 9/11 World Trade Center Destruction
http://www.petition2congress.com/9557/investigate-911-world-trade-center-destruction/

That site has people sign, and then send emails to Congresspeople. I usually count the signers. So far, only Robert M. has signed, though not been counted, which makes me suppose it's the initiator of that petition, and he has sent 4 "Letters" so far.
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http://www.petition2congress.com/9557/investigate-911-world-trade-center-destruction/view/

That's now, four days later, "35 People Have Sent 108 Letters and Emails"
Wow! :D


And meanwhile, another truther (Mark O., aka markouwehand at 911Blogger) set up another fail, this time at whitehouse.gov:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...-building-collapsed-due-office-fires/K3Yfqnph

Started yesterday, 11 signatures so far.
Needs 100,000. By April 10
Good luck! :D


Oh when wil they ever learn? When will they ever learn?
 
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Oystein said:
I said it before, I'll say it again: 9/11 Truth is utterly out of touch with reality!

On Thursday, 07 March 2013 20:16 (I would think this is Pacific time, or local time at Gage's office, but perhaps UT or Eastern), ae911thruth.org posted this:
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-s...ition-help-us-reach-1-million-signatures.html

"Sign the AE911Truth FAMILY MEMBER PETITION
Help us reach 1 Million Signatures!"​

The same evening, they mailed out an "action alert" to their signers and newsletter recipient - such as yours truly. They sent my mail on "Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:58:56 -0800" - so that's explicitly Pacific Time now, UT-8 hours. March 8th, 2am my time (central Europe).

Said petition is
http://www.change.org/petitions/pre...h-9-11-explosive-evidence-experts-speak-out-2

It had 2,613 since June of last year by the end of March 6th, picking up only 1 or 2 signatures per day.
A day later, or more precisely 24 hours 15 minutes later, the count was at 3,474, and again 24:15 hours later at 4,482 - 878 and 998 new signatures per day! They'd "only" need 1,000 days like these to reach 1 million. Never before has any truther petition seen this many new signatures! But 40-50% of these came from people who had previously signed the old A&E-petition, so it was an effect of them mailing to 18,000 or more of the people they had collected through 6 long years of marketing and campaigning.

Would this go viral?
Of course not!

By te next day, end of March 9th, the pace was down to 181 signatures/day and by March 10th further down to 95:

20130104-0311_changeOrg_numbernewPerDayjpg_zps07c9a159.png


At that pace, it would take 27 years to reach 1 million! :D
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And of course it went downhill from there: Only 10-20 signatures per day in the last week. At that pace, Gage will have to wait over 136 years to reach his goal of 1 million. :D

Here is how the petition did till the end of March (I usually take data points shortly after midnight in California, which is after 9 am here):

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I chopped off the peak for the 7th and 8th of March, which was 938 signatures per day average for those two days. This mailing action to promote the petition got Gage more signatures than the last 9/11 anniversary did. But look at this in relation to the 1 million goal - I scaled the left y-axis to 1,000,000 for the total number goal, and the right y-axis to 3000/day, which is what they'd need every day for a whole year to reach that million:

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The one-off peak reaches only one third of what Gage would need, and most of the rest is hugging zero. How decoupled from reality can this man be??


Since I posted this, on March 10, Gage's petition has won about 800 further signatures.

Meanwhile, some other petitions that I had picked at random with a view to them being unsexy have also gained signatures:
Oystein said:
It's not like change.org is a bad place to launch petitions. Lots of petitions there go into the tens and hundreds of thousands of signatures. No problem for popular issues like animal and human rights, personalized stories like needy children, and also for issues related to topics that enjoy widespread campaigning such as the environment or lesbian an gay rights. But here are a few not-so-sexy issues that are listed under "Popular - This week":

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Let's revisit:


So 9/11 Truth beats a traffic light and CourtTV. I guess they can hail that as a significant and unprecedented success ^^ But many more people believe that hijackers took four planes with small knives on 9/11 - the "official" story.
 
Oystein said:
http://www.petition2congress.com/9557/investigate-911-world-trade-center-destruction/view/

That's now, four days later, "35 People Have Sent 108 Letters and Emails"
Wow! :D
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petition2congress.com is a slow site. Only 48 signers have done anything there yet. Graphic:

This has mostly stalled after the first 10 days.

Oystein said:
And meanwhile, another truther (Mark O., aka markouwehand at 911Blogger) set up another fail, this time at whitehouse.gov:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...-building-collapsed-due-office-fires/K3Yfqnph

Started yesterday, 11 signatures so far.
Needs 100,000. By April 10
Good luck! :D


Oh when wil they ever learn? When will they ever learn?
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This one at the White House petition site hs done relatively well for a truther petition: Had a slow start, but perhaps was picked up by some fairly well read truther site, and surpassed 500 signatures in just 21 days:

20130331_MOuwehand_whitehouse_gov_zpsc94741f8.jpg


But of course, at the White House, a petition must reach 100,000 signatures within 30 days to be considered! 9/11 Truth has millions of faithful believers, right? So getting 100,000 should be easy - not.


Same graph, scaled to 100,000 total signatures / 3000/day (you'd need an average oif 3,334 to get to 100,000) and 30 days - this illustrates how utterly pathetic the tiny fringe is that we are dealing with here:

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Finally, here is an summary graph of 8 truther petitions that I have been following since last summer. I have five that been under 1 signature/day for month, two of those haven't got one other for months now (note - logarithmic scale; values of zero have been substituted by 0.004 so the graph would not be undefined there and instead drop below the baseline):

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I posted a documentation of the 4 most successful recent truther petitions in my blog:

All "Truther" petitions fail miserably

Visualizing their (lack of) success and support vs. stated or implied goals of reaching a million or 100,000 signatures.
Concluding with my opinion that the truthers who state such hopes are probably sincere, but deluded: They don't have "millions" on their side. They actually document again and again that there are no more than some thoudands of individuals worldwide who care for "9/11 Twoof". A tiny fringe.
 
Oystein said:
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And meanwhile, another truther (Mark O., aka markouwehand at 911Blogger) set up another fail, this time at whitehouse.gov:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...-building-collapsed-due-office-fires/K3Yfqnph

Started yesterday, 11 signatures so far.
Needs 100,000. By April 10
Good luck! :D


Oh when wil they ever learn? When will they ever learn?
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Awww:

The petition you are trying to access has expired, because it failed to meet the signature threshold.
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Last time I checked about an hour ago, this petition had 798 signatures. Not bad after just 30 days for a twoofy petition, but only 0.8% of the required 100,000.

America does not care for rubbish.
 
Oystein said:
I posted a documentation of the 4 most successful recent truther petitions in my blog:

All "Truther" petitions fail miserably

Visualizing their (lack of) success and support vs. stated or implied goals of reaching a million or 100,000 signatures.
Concluding with my opinion that the truthers who state such hopes are probably sincere, but deluded: They don't have "millions" on their side. They actually document again and again that there are no more than some thoudands of individuals worldwide who care for "9/11 Twoof". A tiny fringe.
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Good stuff, Oystein!

As per your insightful comment, "one, or both, of the following must be true:

  • "Truthers" don't promote their petitions well
  • "Truthers"' demands and statements are unpopular
"

On April 3, Mark Ouwehand attempted to pimp his petition on the Remember Building 7 FB page, by just posting a link, nothing else.

Nobody liked or commented.
 
On Uncle Jim Fetzer's "Scholars for 9/11 dumb-assery" site I stumbled across two very old petitions:


Petition to the Senate to Investigate Oddities Involving 9/11 Terrorist Attacks by "Citizens for Legitimate Government":
Has 30,013 signatures now, but it's more than 10 years (!) old. The WayBackMachine informs us:
2002-02-09: 6864 Total Signatures
2002-06-09: 13,149 Total Signatures
2002-12-13: 17,545 Total Signatures
2003-08-01: 20,987 Total Signatures
2004-06-20: 24,544 Total Signatures
2005-04-21: 27,039 Total Signatures
2006-04-27: 29,006 Total Signatures
2007-04-18: 32,135 Total Signatures
2008-01-07: 32,937 Total Signatures
2009-01-19: 33.419 Total Signatures
2010-04-28: 33,767 Total Signatures
2011-09-13: 33,983 Total Signatures
2012-01-17: 34,020 Signatures
Then something happened - the next day, the number was decreased by ca. 4,000:
2012-01-18: 29,941 Signatures
2012-05-01: 29,958 Signatures
2012-11-17: 29,990 Signatures
2013-03-02: 30,006 Signatures
2013-04-12: 30,013 Signatures (today)


Scholars Call for Release of 9/11 Information:
Petition is closed at 22,736 signatures.
The WayBackMachine has its first capture in december 2010 - but doesn't display the current number there. Unreliable.
Signature lists ends on an April 19 (no year displayed :rolleyes:) - so can't be 2013. I am currently going back in the list - this ran at least 4 years. The petition has a signature by Fetzer and Jones with the date March 07, 2006, but the first signatures came in on March 06.
 
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Oystein said:
On Uncle Jim Fetzer's "Scholars for 9/11 dumb-assery" site I stumbled across two very old petitions:


Petition to the Senate to Investigate Oddities Involving 9/11 Terrorist Attacks by "Citizens for Legitimate Government":
Has 30,013 signatures now, but it's more than 10 years (!) old. The WayBackMachine informs us:
2002-02-09: 6864 Total Signatures
2002-06-09: 13,149 Total Signatures
2002-12-13: 17,545 Total Signatures
2003-08-01: 20,987 Total Signatures
2004-06-20: 24,544 Total Signatures
2005-04-21: 27,039 Total Signatures
2006-04-27: 29,006 Total Signatures
2007-04-18: 32,135 Total Signatures
2008-01-07: 32,937 Total Signatures
2009-01-19: 33.419 Total Signatures
2010-04-28: 33,767 Total Signatures
2011-09-13: 33,983 Total Signatures
2012-01-17: 34,020 Signatures
Then something happened - the next day, the number was decreased by ca. 4,000:
2012-01-18: 29,941 Signatures
2012-05-01: 29,958 Signatures
2012-11-17: 29,990 Signatures
2013-03-02: 30,006 Signatures
2013-04-12: 30,013 Signatures (today)


Scholars Call for Release of 9/11 Information:
Petition is closed at 22,736 signatures.
The WayBackMachine has its first capture in december 2010 - but doesn't display the current number there. Unreliable.
Signature lists ends on an April 19 (no year displayed :rolleyes:) - so can't be 2013. I am currently going back in the list - this ran at least 4 years. The petition has a signature by Fetzer and Jones with the date March 07, 2006, but the first signatures came in on March 06.
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Then where's all the evidence for the millions of people who are "waking up"? The "85% of the world now know 9/11 was an inside job"? "We're now the majority"?

Where does all that stem from?
 
Oystein said:
"On Uncle Jim Fetzer's "Scholars for 9/11 dumb-assery" site ... The petition has a signature by Fetzer and Jones with the date March 07, 2006, but the first signatures came in on March 06."
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Childish insults and pathological analysis.

MM
 
Miragememories said:
Childish insults and pathological analysis.

MM
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You a big Fetzer backer, sport?

Or you just felt that you had to stick up for the truther cause, because he is one of yours, despite the fact that Fetzer is a complete moron?

Birds of a feather....
 
cantonear1968 said:
Then where's all the evidence for the millions of people who are "waking up"? The "85% of the world now know 9/11 was an inside job"? "We're now the majority"?

Where does all that stem from?
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There is no evidence except in their delusions. As I wrote in the concluision of my blog post All "Truther" Petitions fail miserably:

" In my opinion, all these petitions document that, today, "9/11 Truth" is a fringe issue that no more than a few thousand individuals worldwide have an actual interest in.

I suspect that the "truth" leaders who set up such petitions are sincere in their belief that they have "millions" on their side, and that they sincerely believe to break into widespread popular support any day now, and that thus their hope to at least approach 1 million of signatures isn't far-fetched.

These "truth" leaders are deluded. They live in a tiny bubble, frequent echo chambers, where the fringe few thousands mutually amplify their delusions. "​

These two old petitions, one from late 2001, one from March 2006, gathered ten times as many signatures in their first year than today's best could. Those were the golden days of 9/11 Twoof. Rather than reaching a tipping point towards world domination, da Twoof is sinking more and more into oblivion - demonstrably.
 
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