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Find me petitions, please!

Die hard truthers are not going away. They have their own little echo chamber... and mostly repeat to each other the same bits that they believe are the evidence of an inside job. This core group, I believe, participate on the 911 truth teleconference call with the occasional presentation from some "researcher" who presents same old material. These people don't seem to engage with "debunkers" or visit non truther web sites with a odd exceptions like Tony.. who seems to have gone silent in the last year.

And then there was the fake news of the death bed confession that they got all excited about... and that will go no where. None of them are changing their minds.... siege mentality.
 
... This core group, I believe, participate on the 911 truth teleconference call with the occasional presentation from some "researcher" who presents same old material. ...

One leader of "Truth Action Project", its founder I think, is Wayne Coste, who is still a frequent participant of the 911 truth teleconference call. He sometime does presentations there, with detailed research on the Pentagon "incident", where he tries hard - and fails" - to convince the conference that a plane did actually hit the Pentagon. the 911TAP is thus a relatively sane faction - in contrast to the even crazier no-planers that outnumber them in many places.

911TAP is a spin-off of AE911Truth, but apparently gets zero support from Gage. Why, an AE newsletter asking AE fans to sign 911TAP's petition could be a boost, no? I think I know two reasons why Gage is well advised not to support Coste:
  1. Such a newsletter, sent to at least the 25,000 signatories of the AE petition, would, in fact, not generate more than a couple hundred signatures, and thus document, as does the 911TAP petition already, that the Truth Movement is out of steam and motion; that the vast majority of their signers, some as long as 10 years ago, no longer supports them, if they ever did.
  2. Guiding his fan base towards someone else asking for contribution would hurt his pocket.
 
One leader of "Truth Action Project", its founder I think, is Wayne Coste, who is still a frequent participant of the 911 truth teleconference call. He sometime does presentations there, with detailed research on the Pentagon "incident", where he tries hard - and fails" - to convince the conference that a plane did actually hit the Pentagon. the 911TAP is thus a relatively sane faction - in contrast to the even crazier no-planers that outnumber them in many places.

911TAP is a spin-off of AE911Truth, but apparently gets zero support from Gage. Why, an AE newsletter asking AE fans to sign 911TAP's petition could be a boost, no? I think I know two reasons why Gage is well advised not to support Coste:
  1. Such a newsletter, sent to at least the 25,000 signatories of the AE petition, would, in fact, not generate more than a couple hundred signatures, and thus document, as does the 911TAP petition already, that the Truth Movement is out of steam and motion; that the vast majority of their signers, some as long as 10 years ago, no longer supports them, if they ever did.
  2. Guiding his fan base towards someone else asking for contribution would hurt his pocket.

Wayne Coste was not a "founder" of the teleconference call. He was a late comer to AE911T and a much later to the call. Ken Freeland was perhaps.. or maybe Jonathan Marks. The participants change over time... then Craig McKee surfaced...with his truth and Shadows... These are not unintelligent people... they just leave their critical thinking skills behind and have a blind spot with respect to 9/11. They have a cozy little echo chamber going... It both sad and funny actually. The underlying raison d'etre is that if something is coming from "official" or MSM or authorities is a lie and a cover. up.
 
Wayne Coste was not a "founder" of the teleconference call.
You read carelessly. I called him the founder of the "9/11 Truth Action Project" (911TAP).

Ken Freeland was perhaps.. or maybe Jonathan Marks. The participants change over time... then Craig McKee surfaced...with his truth and Shadows... These are not unintelligent people...
Oh, absolutely, McKee is pretty sharp, so is Coste, so are several others. Much like those of my religious friends who are successful in academia, profession and social life - very intelligent people among them, just very wrong and beyond reproach on a whole belief system.
 
You read carelessly. I called him the founder of the "9/11 Truth Action Project" (911TAP).


Oh, absolutely, McKee is pretty sharp, so is Coste, so are several others. Much like those of my religious friends who are successful in academia, profession and social life - very intelligent people among them, just very wrong and beyond reproach on a whole belief system.

which is like a cult or religion where the members do not question the premises of the religion or cult... they accept them a priori... there WAS a CD or the was an INSIDE JOB...
 
In one of the Facebook groups I monitor, someone linked to yet another petition to the whitehouse.org site:

"We ask President Trump to explain his statements and position on the 9/11 attacks
Created by R.R. on September 01, 2017"

9 days later, and 21 days to go
100,000 mandatory goal
10 signed
Needs 99,990 signatures by October 1, 2017 to get a response from the White House

Yet another show of how few, how disorganized, how scattered and how unmotivated the 911TM is in 2017.

And I am not even sure if the Trump White House will honor such petitions any longer, as they were something Obama introduced, IIRC.
 
In one of the Facebook groups I monitor, someone linked to yet another petition to the whitehouse.org site:

"We ask President Trump to explain his statements and position on the 9/11 attacks
Created by R.R. on September 01, 2017"

9 days later, and 21 days to go
100,000 mandatory goal
10 signed
Needs 99,990 signatures by October 1, 2017 to get a response from the White House

Yet another show of how few, how disorganized, how scattered and how unmotivated the 911TM is in 2017.

And I am not even sure if the Trump White House will honor such petitions any longer, as they were something Obama introduced, IIRC.

Plus, the longer he can string Truthers along, the longer they will vote for him. Along with the rest of his fringe opinion base.
 
Update - The "Lawyers' Committee for 9/11 Truth" petition:

The tragedy gets even more depressing in May:

The petition picked up only 65 signatures (now at 1077) in all of May - that's only 2.1 per day now.
Remember: they ought to have a goal in the high hundreds of thousands.

The fundraiser has picked up only one (1) donation of $75 the entire month (Now at $1005). That's $2.78 per day.
The current goal for "Stage 1" (of 7) of this project is $7000. They crept from 13.3% to 14.4% of this goal. Wow. At that pace, they'll get there in just 12 years and eight months! :D
Of course they want to raise a total of $800,000 eventually. This will take a cool 888 years :p

(I'll admit that "The Lawyers’ Committee for 911 Inquiry" offers several ways to donate to them, so these feeble $1005 are probably not all they have to work with; but this public fundraiser demonstrates the total lack of momentum that these people have)

Almost a year has passed since I wrote the above.
For most of that year, the "Lawyers' Committee for 9/11 Truth" petition and accompanying fundraiser have been almost dead. They picked up some steam around a month ago, when they presented a "Grand Jury petition" to a judge in NYC, an event that was well publicised inside the tiny tiny Truther bubble.

So the original petition now has 3,583 signatures, and the fundraiser has gone to $1,420 from 31 individuals.

The "Grand Jury petition" itself, as being presented to the NY judge, is listed with full names here. Started about a month ago, it has currently 1,583 signatures from Truthers worldwide.



I am bumbing this topic today simply because I read in the regional press today about a petition by high school students in my home state in Germany. The state of NRW in 2018 has 77,000 students in the process of graduationg from high school (the school form usually called "Gymnasium", the degree awarded after a mininum of 12 years is the "Abitur"). Each "Abiturient" has final exams in four subjects that they chose (with constraints), three of those written exams, if I am not mistaken. I don't know how many of the 77,000 have taken the math exam - I'd guess not more than half of them, or under 40,000.
Anyway, the news is that many have complained this year's final math exam was too difficult, or took more time than was allotted. So students started a petition at the same change.org that the "Lawyers" used since a year ago:
Mathe Abitur 2018 NRW zu wenig Zeit ("Math high school graduuation exam 2018 too little time").
The exam in question was written on May 2nd. The petition must have started on May 2nd or 3rd, for on May 4th, the first printed newspaper clippings reported 9,000 signatures.
Before I stared writing this post, the petition stood a5 15,998. Right now, before I have finished, it's already at 16,031.

And here is the thing: A regional issue that affects only a few tens of thousands of people quickly gathered 16K signatures. I have little doubt it will have exceeded AE911T's total by the end of the week, and it already is far stronger than the feeble "Lawyers" petitions.

Just to demonstrate how pathetically tiny and weak the Truth Movement is in 2018.
 
And here is the thing: A regional issue that affects only a few tens of thousands of people quickly gathered 16K signatures. I have little doubt it will have exceeded AE911T's total by the end of the week, and it already is far stronger than the feeble "Lawyers" petitions.

I got more response as a parent advocate on school committee issues.

Just to demonstrate how pathetically tiny and weak the Truth Movement is in 2018.

It's at the point where people are asking what the "truth movement" was.
 
Westminster London pop. 236,000 (2008)

Petition: "We are against Westminster City Council’s new parking regulations"

Signatures 9755

From HERE

Petition opened: Aug 12, 2011
Petition closed: Jan 25, 2012




Compus

I am pretty sure Westminster City Council members who voted for should have ASAP been voted out!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
It's even worse!

Here is an article by Board member Christopher Gruener:
Become a Member of the TAP Team (March 30, 2017)


This was written more than three months after David Fura had this wet dream of "a million-plus signer target by the end of year 2020" - now they upgraded to an imagined four-million-plus!

And not only that - Chris imagines that these 4 million+ would not only have filled out an easy form and then forgotten all about it - no: He pictures them all "working in tandem". This chap really has had too hot a fever dream!

Reality check:
  • By the end of 2017, the 911TAP petition will be under 3,200, not exceed 32,000
  • By the end of 2020, they will have reached under 10,000, not 4,000,000 and not 1,000,000
I'd bet on those numbers.

Quick reminder:

Here is the 911TAP, and here is their Petition.

Upthread, I detailed the targets they set for this Petition:
  • 32,000 signatures after the 1st year (2017)
  • 160,000 signatures after the 2nd year (2018) - that's an increase over the 1st year by a factor of 5
  • 1,000,000 signatures after the 4th year (2020) - that would correspond to a factor of 2.5 in both 2019 and 2020 over the previous years
I already documented how they reached only 8.5% of their 1st-year target - 2,715 instead of 32,000 signatures.

Now the 2nd year has passed, and they added only another 1,023 signatures in 2018, for a total of 3,738 by the end of the year.

That is 2.3% of their target at this point in time.

Instead of increasing the total by a factor of 5, they increased by a factor of 1.38.
Put in a different way, to highlight how dramatically bad they have fared:
They hoped to collect 4 times as many signatures in 2018 as in the year before - but actually the number decreased by a factor of 2.7!

If they maintained the current pace linearly - adding just a bit obver 1,000 signatures per year, they'll end up at under 6,000 after 4 years.
If they magically managed to at least keep growing by 137%, they'd get near 8,000 signatures.

That is not even 1% of their actual target of 1 million after 4 years.

Of course, their pace keeps decreasing: In 2017, they averaged more than 203 signatures per month.
In the first half of 2018, that was down to 92/month
In the third quarter: 90/month
In the fourth quarter: 60/month
In the last month: 40/month

Those must be deeply depressing numbers for them.

Here is their latest "911TAP Petition Project Quarterly Progress Report (2018 Q3)", written at the end of November (and online only at some point in December). Here is how they analyze the desaster:

911TAP said:
We highlight areas of the country that are making the most progress towards generating that "groundswell of civic action" we are all striving for. We explain what the leaders are doing to maintain their leads, and what the up-and-coming regions are doing to overtake them
This is complete bollocks: In reality, they have only one team, one region that is at all active collecting signatures: David Fura in the Portland, OR region. It can be shown that even Portland, OR is not generating its fair share of signatures.
So the plurals "areas", "leaders", "up-and-coming regions" are hogwash, especially when mentioning "most progress" or "to overtake them". There is no progress anywhere, and no region comes even remotely close to Oregon.
911TAP said:
During the 3rd Quarter, Oregon added 157 petitions to retain its number 1 position. Massachusetts did well with 23. Washington was respectable with 17, mainly from paper petitions collected in Portland, Oregon.
O blimey!! 23 is not well at all for MA!!!!
If the Project had been on target, to increase from 32,000 to 160,000 in 2018, at a steady annual rate of 400%, then they should have collected over 35,000 signatures total in Q3, most of which in the USA. MA has 2.1% of the US population, its fair share would thus have been something like 700 signatures. 23 is a TERRIBLE result for Massachusetts!
Oregon, with 1.27% of the population, ought to have generated 400 and more signatures - even their 157 petitions is just a third of what they projected.
Washington is respectable? Washington is a complete and utter failure! No one is collecting signatures in Washington state!
911TAP said:
As described below, the relative out-performance of the states mentioned above, relative to their populations, is due to successful efforts at collecting signers using paper petitions.
No, dear 911TAP!! These efforts are most decidedly unsuccessful!

911TAP said:
Discussion

A total of 271 petitions were collected in the 3rd Quarter of 2018. This is a decrease of 34 (11%) from the 305 petitions collected in the 2nd Quarter. At this pace, 1107 people would sign the 911TAP petition for a new, independent 9/11 investigation in 2018. This is roughly half of the 2102 people who signed the petition in 2017.
As it turned out, they landed at even less

911TAP said:
These 3rd Quarter results reinforce, yet again, the significant amount of work that needs to be undertaken to build a sustainable ramp in petition sign-up activity that would support 911TAP achieving its Top-Level Goal, as defined in its Strategic Plan. By the end of this year a new petition plan will be put in place to upgrade the overall strategy for collecting petitions and to update the project goals.
I have not seen this new petition plan yet.

911TAP said:
The initial four-year petition targets, with 32,000 in year one and 160,000 in year two, are out of reach at this point.
You don't say!?
I wonder if the new petition plan comes with revised targets, and what those will be.

911TAP said:
The 911TAP petition count is a proxy for the overall progress of 911TAP in multiple areas, including local action team development, alliance building, and truth-friendly media partnerships. As more teams get to work in the field, petition numbers go up. As website traffic increases because of noteworthy projects and favorable mentions in Truth-friendly media, petition numbers go up. The performance of the petition project will improve as we see improvements in areas such as these.
Since the numbers are dropping, not going up, we can conclude that there is no overall progress of 911TAP, no local action team development, no alliance building, and no truth-friendly media partnerships. That no teams get to work, and there are no noteworthy projects and favorable mentions in Truth-friendly media.

The 911TAP Petition Project is an abject failure in every single way, no redeeming fact in sight anywhere. They hang their hopes on this:

911TAP said:
The early part of the 3rd quarter saw us take some necessary steps in these directions. Outreach materials for use in tabling activities and display booths have been developed and are being made available across the country. This will support activists who prefer to work together as teams rather than on their own. The following picture shows a recently-designed banner, sign, and information display. The article linked here describes their use in two booth events in Portland, Oregon.

911TAP Truth Booth Debuts at Portland Street Fairs
So they have a booth designed - and this will bring the millions rushing to sign, and bring an end to the Deep State?

I have a question for 911TAP: Are you nuts?!?


911TAP said:
We will continue on-going efforts to create new action teams and complete projects designed to drive new website traffic. As we continue to grow as an organization and increase the scope of our activity, and as we apply lessons learned from experience and improve our methods and tools, we look forward to getting the petition numbers onto an accelerating track as we enter 2019.

Six days into 2019, they have added a whopping 3 (three) signatures. Half a signature per day.

According to their original schedule (increasing from 160,000 to 400,000 in 2019), they should have added more than 2,400 signatures.
Even if they only aimed at growing by 150%, as originally planned, from the dysmal total they have, they should be adding 300 signatures (10 per day) in January.


The smart thing to do is can the Petition Project at once, and analyse keenly why there are no activists, and why there are no signatures.

The answer to both questions, ultimately, is of course: Because there is zero truth to your claims, nobody is convinced - not even your followers.
 
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23 is a TERRIBLE result for Massachusetts!
Oregon, with 1.27% of the population, ought to have generated 400 and more signatures - even their 157 petitions is just a third of what they projected.
Washington is respectable? Washington is a complete and utter failure! No one is collecting signatures in Washington state!
Put another way: Oregon had 1 in every 27,000 people signing; Massachusetts had 1 in every 300,000 and Washington one in every 443,000.
 

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