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Cont: Electric Vehicles II

Clone my phone and gain access to my car, home, life and banking options? I think not.
I unplug the Alexa ball if I see it was left on and my wife isn't present. Now she unplugs it too unless she wants music.

Yeah, maybe not easily done by all but in some cases it is possible already . Luddites still exist out there.
This is the kind of thing that is definitely convenient. But absolutely not needed. Electric/ electonic door locks is an added complexity. Or is it? You certainly don't need a mechanical key lock mechanism and a electronic mechanism. The problem with an electronic device is I think failure with the device. But maybe I'm overthinking this.
 
This is the kind of thing that is definitely convenient. But absolutely not needed. Electric/ electonic door locks is an added complexity. Or is it? You certainly don't need a mechanical key lock mechanism and a electronic mechanism. The problem with an electronic device is I think failure with the device. But maybe I'm overthinking this.
Some kind of central door locking is convenient of course, when letting passengers in. But it need not be so complex and interlaced with so many things. I don't need the locking system to tell me when it's ok to lock and unlock, with the doors locking automatically when I go, and sometimes relocking when I step out of the car and forget to switch the system all the way off (some cars will lock you out if you exit with the keys in the ignition, even when running!). I used to have some cars that had central locks, of the sort that would unlock all the doors when you turned the key twice, or had a button you could push once you'd unlocked the driver's door. My old Mercedes had vacuum locks that did this with no electricity at all.

It's really not all that horrible to have to unlock the passenger door first and then unlock the driver's door, or to get in and do it from inside.

Of course, I live out in the boonies where I don't need alarms and immobilizers and the like. I leave my car unlocked when at home. I live in the kind of place where people leave their cars running when they go into the convenience stores. Simple doors that lock have always worked well enough. I can see why this would not work for many, but I still wish the delete option existed for those who don't need it.
 
Some kind of central door locking is convenient of course, when letting passengers in. But it need not be so complex and interlaced with so many things. I don't need the locking system to tell me when it's ok to lock and unlock, with the doors locking automatically when I go, and sometimes relocking when I step out of the car and forget to switch the system all the way off (some cars will lock you out if you exit with the keys in the ignition, even when running!). I used to have some cars that had central locks, of the sort that would unlock all the doors when you turned the key twice, or had a button you could push once you'd unlocked the driver's door. My old Mercedes had vacuum locks that did this with no electricity at all.

It's really not all that horrible to have to unlock the passenger door first and then unlock the driver's door, or to get in and do it from inside.

Of course, I live out in the boonies where I don't need alarms and immobilizers and the like. I leave my car unlocked when at home. I live in the kind of place where people leave their cars running when they go into the convenience stores. Simple doors that lock have always worked well enough. I can see why this would not work for many, but I still wish the delete option existed for those who don't need it.
You're absolutely right that it doesn't. In fact electronic switches can be extremely simple. Cars today are loaded with them
 
I work at a place that sells used car parts. We sell triple the power window assemblies than manual and usually for 20-30 year old cars. Power locks don't seem to get repaired with used parts.

Computers for cars are a hot commodity with Cryslur modules selling out as fast as they come in. Nissan product computers not moving as fast.
Despite there being far more Nissan cars on the roads here.

EV won't be a lot different if it ever becomes king here. We will sell colisión repair panels and electronics before most other parts. The buggy cars of that time will reveal themselves by what he can't keep in stock.
 
I work at a place that sells used car parts. We sell triple the power window assemblies than manual and usually for 20-30 year old cars. Power locks don't seem to get repaired with used parts.

Computers for cars are a hot commodity with Cryslur modules selling out as fast as they come in. Nissan product computers not moving as fast.
Despite there being far more Nissan cars on the roads here.

EV won't be a lot different if it ever becomes king here. We will sell colisión repair panels and electronics before most other parts. The buggy cars of that time will reveal themselves by what he can't keep in stock.
Makes sense. I recently replaced a broken power window motor. It was like $40 brand new and that included all the parts needed to move the window up and down. I searched also for crank mechanisms. They were to my surprise going for as much as $120. They were heavier and more complex too.
 
I work at a place that sells used car parts. We sell triple the power window assemblies than manual and usually for 20-30 year old cars. Power locks don't seem to get repaired with used parts.

Computers for cars are a hot commodity with Cryslur modules selling out as fast as they come in. Nissan product computers not moving as fast.
Despite there being far more Nissan cars on the roads here.

EV won't be a lot different if it ever becomes king here. We will sell colisión repair panels and electronics before most other parts. The buggy cars of that time will reveal themselves by what he can't keep in stock.

on the other hand, it’s also going to be a lot more communications and it work in car repair. when i think of something like tesla’s steer by wire, i’m thinking calibrating sensors with a computer and communications once the part is installed, getting the right firmware revisions, getting cameras to work. stuff like that. the same in industrial automation, which i think have a lot in common. once you get further away from physical wiring and mechanical systems you get more into programming and communications
 
I think it's real clear what is happening. China is selling the future and the US is insisting everyone buy buggy whips. China's EV manufacturing strategy works very well with the nation's commitment to alternative energy. Electricity in China is on average, less than half the price it is in the US averaging around $.08 per KWh. A gallon of gas is more expensive than a gallon of gas in most of the US, but not by much. So I did a small comparison.

Average distance estimate for the average EV in the US is 3 miles per KWh. EPA estimates the average US light duty vehicle at 26 mile per gallon. I think in real world it's less, but let's just accept those figures.

The cost to drive 300 miles an EV in China would be $8 US dollars.
The cost to drive the average American ICE vehicle would be $40.38.
The average American passenger car is driven 12,000 miles per year.
Annual EV electricity expenditure would be $320.
Annual cost or a gasoline vehicle would be $1,615.
5 year electricity cost for an EV would be $1,600
5 year cost for gasoline is $8,076

I can see very clearly why China is going non-stop building out an advanced electricity grid including the $100 billion dollar hydroelectric plant in the Himalayas.
 
When your phone can act as your keycard, people will stop carrying their keycard.

When people's phones have replaced their car keys and their wallet and all the payphones, you better hope it doesn't break or get stolen or just run out of battery. Convenience over resilience. All your eggs in one convenient basket.
No. That is stupid. I carry a keycard and my phone. It is very foolish to rely on a phone to gain entry into a vehicle.
 
As long as your eggs isn't all in one basket or there is a single point of failure, than I think you're OK.

I both like and dislike what is happening with these cars. It's very cool that your car will unlock for you when you're within a certain proximity. And if I'm not mistaken lock when you start the car or sit in the driver seat. These conveniences are nice. But they add to the complexity of the vehicle. That is extra sensors and computer control. More things that can go wrong. Having chased phantom electrical issues with a vehicle I had and hated because of it, I really appreciate the KISS principle. Keep it simple stupid.

When everything is working as they should be, you love these features. When you're chasing down a mysterious problem you end up hating them.
 
As long as your eggs isn't all in one basket or there is a single point of failure, than I think you're OK.

I both like and dislike what is happening with these cars. It's very cool that your car will unlock for you when you're within a certain proximity. And if I'm not mistaken lock when you start the car or sit in the driver seat. These conveniences are nice. But they add to the complexity of the vehicle. That is extra sensors and computer control. More things that can go wrong. Having chased phantom electrical issues with a vehicle I had and hated because of it, I really appreciate the KISS principle. Keep it simple stupid.

When everything is working as they should be, you love these features. When you're chasing down a mysterious problem you end up hating them.
Though of course those features are not specific to EVs, but modern cars in general. One of the factors in replacing my last car, a diesel, with an EV was that it had some sensors fail, which were expensive to replace. Nothing wrong with the basic mechanism of the vehicle itself, just the sensors which were monitoring it. It also had most of the features you mention, keyless entry, automatic locking doors, etc.

I'm aware my EV also has sensors for similar reasons, but there are lot fewer involved in engine management so I suspect there are fewer in total, though that wasn't a conscious factor in the choice. I was replacing the old car, and an EV seemed the right choice for several reasons.
 
Though of course those features are not specific to EVs, but modern cars in general. One of the factors in replacing my last car, a diesel, with an EV was that it had some sensors fail, which were expensive to replace. Nothing wrong with the basic mechanism of the vehicle itself, just the sensors which were monitoring it. It also had most of the features you mention, keyless entry, automatic locking doors, etc.

I'm aware my EV also has sensors for similar reasons, but there are lot fewer involved in engine management so I suspect there are fewer in total, though that wasn't a conscious factor in the choice. I was replacing the old car, and an EV seemed the right choice for several reasons.
Totally! In fact I think there are probably more with gasoline cars. Computer controlled fuel injectors, Mass airflow sensor, Oxygen sensor, coolant temperature, sensor, manifold air pressure sensor, throttle position sensor, camshaft position sensor, crankshaft position sensor, two transmission sensors, vehicle speed sensor, spark knock sensor, fuel temperature sensor, oil pressure sensor, brake sensor and at least two dozen more.
 
I had more than once a Hybrid Rental, and I was impress how it scarified nothing in terms of driving while using have the fuel.
I am only worried about having two different types of technology in your car will lead to expensive maintenance.
Otherwise that's definitely going to be my next vehicle (after my current one breaks down completely).
 
I had more than once a Hybrid Rental, and I was impress how it scarified sacrificed nothing in terms of driving while using have half the fuel.
I am only worried about having two different types of technology in your car will lead to expensive maintenance.
Otherwise that's definitely going to be my next vehicle (after my current one breaks down completely).
Just guessing.
 
I think having two different types of drive train in your car will certainly lead to expensive maintenance. In fact, I think that having an ICE in the car at all is a recipe for expensive maintenance, and that there's plenty of reason to believe that an ICE that's being constantly started and stopped again is particularly problematic in that respect. As is a small battery that's designed to be drained and recharged every day.
 
I think having two different types of drive train in your car will certainly lead to expensive maintenance. In fact, I think that having an ICE in the car at all is a recipe for expensive maintenance, and that there's plenty of reason to believe that an ICE that's being constantly started and stopped again is particularly problematic in that respect. As is a small battery that's designed to be drained and recharged every day.
IMO a hybrid is like a driver from 1910 having a horse on board just in case.
 
I noticed your "1910" date. I'm currently reading a novel set (indeed written) in 1933, and by that point motorcars are commonplace. They're the usual means of transport for those who can afford them (and I don't see anyone declaring that since they're beyond the means of the poor they're useless and should be abandoned), and public transport is also motorised. Our hero has just taken his schoolboy nephew and a friend to the Science Museum and they've been looking at what they see as antiquated motorcars (and antiquated aeroplanes), already in the museum.

That's just 23 years, and 23 years including the world being turned upside down for six of them. But the change has happened. Nobody is using horsedrawn transport at all. We could look at 2010 or thereabouts as being the early years of the modern EV. By 2033, it's entirely possible the change will be just as complete.
 
In all fairness, this really doesn't describe hybrids. The electric motor doesn't take the place of the engine but augments it in such a way that they are more fuel efficient. If you are living in an apartment, it very well may offer a cost affordable option. I don't actually know if they have maintenance issues. Several of the popular YouTube channels like Scotty Kilmer and Engineering Explained talk about why they are very hard on their engines.

I get that the forum members that are contributing to this thread are "all in" on EVs. And I do believe EVs are on the path to replacing internal combustion vehicles. Still, I do believe that as of today there are as many or more people today where an internal combustion vehicle may still be a better fit.
 
well there’s maintenance issues with all things eventually. once there’s enough older hybrids and evs out there we’ll know what the maintenance issues are, and how difficult they are to solve. the mechanical issues are the easiest
 

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