Dear Sirs,
I am willing to take the test for dowsing again as James said that he can send people to the field to test me the last time I tested.
I knew then as now that one set of tests is not scientifically viable.
Had you succeeded you would have crowed that the test was scientifically viable. You'll do it if you succeed this time. But you won't succeed.
Many need to be done.
The test will take place in Hayfork California.
The tests will be done by the J.R.E.F. team the exact same way as done in the office with the exception of the following.
1. The containers will be plastic Folgers coffee cans, the 11-oz. version. Red with black lids. You can bring your own or use the ones I have.
How many containers? Ten? That makes a big difference in the scoring, you know.
Make sure they don't have gold paint on them.
3. The target will be black sands, both magnetic and non magnetic, gold, lead, platinum, mercury coated gold, iron and what ever else is in the black sands. This is what is found in the creek with the gold.
This is NOT like the previous test, because you used gold items (and a quartz crystal and other stuff) as targets. But I'm sure the JREF won't care what you use for a target.
5. No one in the field, where the containers are set up will reach into they’re pockets at any time. I will have an observer to make sure no one tampers with the area that the tests are being done at when the tests are being done, because anyone can salt the ground with any metals and then I will get false readings.
As before, you will be allowed to dowse the field before your test to ascertain that it is "clean" of dowsing readings. If you're worried about cheaters, make sure you have an observer by the video camera.
6. The J.R.E.F. has the right to check with any scanner, metal detector, or any other detector that there is nothing in the ground to aid me in the challenge.
In the previous dowsing challenges, that has not been necessary. They set it up so you can't cheat, even if you knew how.
7. I may do five tries one day and five tries the next if I feel that I must stop if overwhelmed with the impute that I feel.
I'm not sure they'll allow this. However, if you wish to cut short the number of tests, simply increase the number of false targets. If you can find your target in 100 potential targets, that will require many fewer trials than if you just used ten targets. As always though, I do not speak for JREF.
8. I do not want to know any correct or incorrect hits till the test is over.
No one will know. That's how double blind tests work. Speaking of which, you still haven't described how this test would be set up as a double-blind test.
9. I will hit 50% correct hits, but I will hope to do 70% at least, but we’ll stay with what we know here right now and that’s 50%.
Out of ten tests on ten targets each? That's a minimum of five correct in selecting the correct one out of ten targets? I'm sure this will be satisfactory. Law of average says you only get one out of ten correct. Good luck will get you two. Incredible luck will get you three. If you can do four, then you probably have enough to pass the preliminary test. In the final test, you will likely have to do many more tests though, assuming you make it to the final test, which I strongly doubt.
10. You can use the information any way you want, but not the theories that are to come from this when I win, those are mine.
You don't even have to tell anybody your theories. JREF has repeatedly stated that they don't care about your theories, only that you can do what you say. If you can somehow manage not to talk about them, then your secrets are safe.
11. You guys are so sure that this is a loosing proposition that you should have no problems with this.
This is not a part of the protocol, but just a comment. No need to give it a number. But there are a number of gaps in your protocol, primarily how many targets, how it will be double blinded, how you are going to perform the "open" test and probably some others. Thats what you have to work out with JREF once you send in your application.
12. J.R.E.F. will pay for the testers motel and gas expenses.
No they won't. You have been told this time and time again. It is quite clearly stated in rule 6.
Challenge Rules said:
All of the applicant's expenses such as transportation, accommodation, materials, assistants, and/or all other costs for any persons or procedures incurred in pursuit of the reward, are the sole responsibility of the applicant. Neither the JREF nor JR will bear any of the costs.
The testers are giving up their time without compensation. Nobody should have to shell out their own money to feed your delusions.
Under Article 3, the applicant allows all his test data to be used by the Foundation in any way Mr. Randi may choose. That means that Mr. Randi can pick and chose the data at will and decide what to do with it and what verdict to pronounce on it. Under Article 7, the applicant surrenders all rights to legal action against the Foundation, or Mr. Randi, no matter what emotional, professional or financial injury he may consider he has sustained. Thus even if Mr. Randi comes to a conclusion different from that reached by his judges and publicly denounces the test, the applicant would have no redress. The Foundation and Mr. Randi own all the data. Mr. Randi can claim that the judges were fooled. The implicit accusation of fraud would leave the challenger devoid of remedy.
Completely incorrect. The exact definition of what constitutes a successful test is set out in advance. It is a legally binding contract. You do realize, however, that this is just a preliminary test, right? True, no one has passed a preliminary test yet, but the rules quite clearly state that there must be a final test. The setup would be exactly the same, but you would be required to provide a more statistically significant sample, or for your case, more repetitions. At least that is the way I understand it.
13. Get rid of article 3 if I WIN! Do we have a deal? The foundation does not own all the data that comes from theory. The foundation can only use data that pertains to the test............Not theory. I will put this letter in the million-dollar challenge thread. So we can discuss it there.
That will be a deal killer, Edge. You don't get to change the rules. But remember, that the recordings are to make sure that
nobody cheats. You need not reveal any of your "theories" either on the recordings or to
anyone. They don't care. In fact, Randi told you this at your first test. The hardest thing for you will be to manage to make yourself shut up about your theories. We know how you love to talk.
Besides, you've discussed lots of them here. It is not as if they are secret.
14. When the protocol is agreed upon I will send in the application.
Mike Guska
THIS LETTER HAS BEEN SENT.
It doesn't work that way. Application first. Protocol afterwards. It states that clearly in the rules. There are a number of problems with your protocol though, so don't expect them to agree to it. Primarily, you seem to be laboring under the delusion that you get to change the rules of the challenge. We'll just add that to your rather long list of delusions.
On the plus side, you will have lots of new excuses and lies about how JREF is afraid to test you. That may make
you feel better, but it won't harm JREF. I'm sure they've heard them all before.
