Dog consumption

[quadraginta]

Funny thing is I recall many members getting really hot under the collar in threads about Japanese hunting whales for food. Surely that is nobody else's business.

I didn't participate in those threads, so I don't know what was said, but as far as this one is concerned I suspect that the fact that dogs aren't in imminent danger of global extinction and never have been is probably a point of comparison to consider.

 

[Ryokan]

I didn't participate in those threads, so I don't know what was said, but as far as this one is concerned I suspect that the fact that dogs aren't in imminent danger of global extinction and never have been is probably a point of comparison to consider.

Neither are the whales that are hunted for food.

 

[lionking]

I didn't participate in those threads, so I don't know what was said, but as far as this one is concerned I suspect that the fact that dogs aren't in imminent danger of global extinction and never have been is probably a point of comparison to consider.

I don't believe minki whales are threatened now, at least any more than varieties of fish are. I'm just pointing to the outraged response to the killing of some whales compared to the "let them eat dogs, reindeer, anything they want - it's none of our business".

 

[quadraginta]

Neither are the whales that are hunted for food.

Excellent. Overharvesting can be a serious issue. I'm glad to be assured it isn't as far as whales are concerned.

I'm reasonably certain it's not as far as dogs are concerned.

 

[Floyt]

Funny thing is I recall many members getting really hot under the collar in threads about Japanese hunting whales for food. Surely that is nobody else's business.

... because that is one case where makaya's concerns about endangering the population are actually justified. This does make it other people's business.

 

[PingOfPong]

In other news, my neighbor walked her labrador past my door today. It looked delicious.

 

[Drudgewire]

the whales.

 

[Ryokan]

... because that is one case where makaya's concerns about endangering the population are actually justified. This does make it other people's business.

Educate yourself:

http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/2474/0

 

[supercorgi]

But how many people own Chickens and Cows as pets? Not many, But we do know that Dogs are specifically owned as pets around the world.

Not so much. The Italians don't particularly like dogs - they prefer cats as pets. The Greeks aren't much into cats, they prefer dogs as pets.

 

[Ryokan]

Not so much. The Italians don't particularly like dogs - they prefer cats as pets. The Greeks aren't much into cats, they prefer dogs as pets.

And although they're not very bright and very hard to house train, Norwegians prefer to keep Swedes as pets.

 

[Shadowdweller]

I am STILL waiting for the Lewis and Clark reference, people.

 

[Floyt]

Educate yourself:

http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/2474/0

"Least concern" does not mean "safe for exploitation"; other species are also taken; and whaling nations, Norway foremost among them, have in the past proved to be about as capable of determining safe catch limits as the US government is of assessing climate change. It's a mud-fight for another thread, though.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Re: pets vs. food animals.

I'm a bit surprised no one has addressed this from what used to be a very common perspective. Anyone who grew up on a working family farm learned from a very early age that some of the animals were going to end up on the dinner table. Children being children some of these animals would acquire the status of pets in their minds.

I did in fact bring this up fairly early in the thread. (See my early post on guineau pigs and lambs in Ecuador and a couple of times thereafter.)

I've been saying over and over that there isn't such a clear distinction between animals kept for food and animals kept as pets as Makaya seems to think.
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Makaya, you have no right to impose your opinion (which is very poorly supported) on other people. You certainly have no more right to do so than PETA does to condemn you for eating cows, pigs and chickens.

Yup--your position is the epitome of hypocrisy and cultural bigotry.

 

[quadraginta]

I did in fact bring this up fairly early in the thread. (See my early post on guineau pigs and lambs in Ecuador and a couple of times thereafter.)

I've been saying over and over that there isn't such a clear distinction between animals kept for food and animals kept as pets as Makaya seems to think.
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Makaya, you have no right to impose your opinion (which is very poorly supported) on other people. You certainly have no more right to do so than PETA does to condemn you for eating cows, pigs and chickens.

Yup--your position is the epitome of hypocrisy and cultural bigotry.

Yes you did, and I didn't intend to demean your contributions.

I was sort of stressing how integral the idea has been to American culture, something I think Makaya might be unaware of.

 

[lionking]

"Least concern" does not mean "safe for exploitation"; other species are also taken; and whaling nations, Norway foremost among them, have in the past proved to be about as capable of determining safe catch limits as the US government is of assessing climate change. It's a mud-fight for another thread, though.

Okay, getting back to the point of the OP, would you have any moral objection of consumption of whale meat if they were not endangered.

 

[Ryokan]

By the way, is this joke too obvious?

....humans consuming Dogs.

I prefer eating pussy myself.

 

[quadraginta]

Okay, getting back to the point of the OP, would you have any moral objection of consumption of whale meat if they were not endangered.

I went back and re-read the OP just in case. As I suspected, there was no mention of whales.

Is this perhaps (if you'll excuse the expression) a 'pet' peeve of yours?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Yes you did, and I didn't intend to demean your contributions.

Not at all--and I didn't mean to come of sounding like I was looking for primacy!

I was sort of stressing how integral the idea has been to American culture, something I think Makaya might be unaware of.

I agree. And it's a point he keeps ignoring. He seems to think there is a hard-line, black-and-white distinction between animals kept for food (that he wrongly thinks are "wild animals" or at least somehow less domesticated) and animals kept as pets that is natural and universally recognized.

Every reason he's given for why it's OK to eat cows and pigs but some sort of outrageous wrong to eat dogs has failed.

 

[Ryokan]

"Least concern" does not mean "safe for exploitation"; other species are also taken; and whaling nations, Norway foremost among them, have in the past proved to be about as capable of determining safe catch limits as the US government is of assessing climate change.

Dude, "Least concern" is the lowest rank! If they had done a report on dogs, or even humans, they would have classified them as "Least concern". If you go to About, and Information, you can read what the classifications mean.

Norway catches less than a thousand whales a year, way below the internationally set quota allotted. Did you read the report, or did you just see the classification and make up your own mind from that? The minke whale has a healthy population, is in no way anywhere near being endangered and very few of them are hunted.

It's a mud-fight for another thread, though.

Roger that. In the meanwhile, I'll enjoy the tasty tender whale steaks

 

[William Parcher]

I am STILL waiting for the Lewis and Clark reference, people.

While in what is now Washington, with more salmon than you could ever hope to count, the Corps of Discovery refused the fish offered by the Indians and instead, by their own choosing, ate the village dogs.