DJLegacy of LC Forum Proves Gravy Dead Wrong!

[CptColumbo]

As I wrote in the LC thread, I seriously doubt that they know what a debate is. I hope they look it up and study past debates, or attend some. Unfortunately, television has given people the wrong idea of how to get a point across. Simply shouting louder than your opponent seems to be the prevailing tactic on the talking head shows, or poisoning the well (which is the favorite on internet sites). It is also my suspicion that they would not be able to stick to one subject, and if someone points it out to them they would call foul and use this as a defense on their website. My hope is that they do come and we can have a lively debate, and both sides will come away a little wiser.

 

[Kiwiwriter]

Extremists and debate

As I wrote in the LC thread, I seriously doubt that they know what a debate is. I hope they look it up and study past debates, or attend some. Unfortunately, television has given people the wrong idea of how to get a point across. Simply shouting louder than your opponent seems to be the prevailing tactic on the talking head shows, or poisoning the well (which is the favorite on internet sites). It is also my suspicion that they would not be able to stick to one subject, and if someone points it out to them they would call foul and use this as a defense on their website. My hope is that they do come and we can have a lively debate, and both sides will come away a little wiser.

My copy of "Nazis, Communists, Klansmen, and Others on the Fringe: Political Extremism in America" tells me that one of the many defining features of extremissts is their

"Tendency to use argument by intimidation." Extremists tend to frame their arguments in such a way as to intimidate others into accepting their premises and conclusion. To disagree with them is to "ally oneself with the devil" or to give aid and comfort to the enemy. They use a lot of moralizing and pontificating, and tend to be very judgmental. This shrill, harsh rhetorical style allows them to keep their opponents and critics on the defensive, cuts off troublesome lines of argument, and allows them to define the parameters of the debate."

Written by John George and Laird Wilcox, published by Prometheus Books in 1992, which I think also publishes Jim Randi's stuff, so they are a reliable sauce. Page 58.

So that sums up the LC views (and Holocaust deniers') view of "debate" nicely. They don't want a "debate." They want a "confrontation," preferably on their terms and parameters, so their opponent either explodes, walks off in tears, or converts. The parameters are set such that a skeptic or Holocaust defender's evidence is all ruled as fake. The only terms of truth are those set by the conspiracy theorist or neo-Nazi. It's a rigged game. But extremists also believe that if they don't win a conflict, the situation was merely rigged against them. So they rig right back, as they also belioeve that it's okay to do bad things in the service of a "good thing."

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

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Written by John George and Laird Wilcox, published by Prometheus Books in 1992, which I think also publishes Jim Randi's stuff, so they are a reliable sauce. Page 58.

So that sums up the LC views (and Holocaust deniers') view of "debate" nicely. They don't want a "debate." They want a "confrontation," preferably on their terms and parameters, so their opponent either explodes, walks off in tears, or converts. The parameters are set such that a skeptic or Holocaust defender's evidence is all ruled as fake. The only terms of truth are those set by the conspiracy theorist or neo-Nazi. It's a rigged game. But extremists also believe that if they don't win a conflict, the situation was merely rigged against them. So they rig right back, as they also belioeve that it's okay to do bad things in the service of a "good thing."

Like Roxdog's podcast.

 

[kookbreaker]

Like Roxdog's podcast.

The world needs a good stock word to describe the pathetic little fringe podcasts of the net like Roxdog's. 'Piddlecast', or 'Patheticast', only better.

 

[Pardalis]

I must say, I wanted to come to the defence of randi, but its just frustrating to deal with, so I have bitten my tongue. Its just cheap trash talk. Attacking a character to win an arguement is poor, so I am just looking past it.

Good posting over there Hellaeon.

 

[Bronze Dog]

The world needs a good stock word to describe the pathetic little fringe podcasts of the net like Roxdog's. 'Piddlecast', or 'Patheticast', only better.

Maybe "Peacast" ... Or "Peecast."

 

[Apollyon]

How about "pudcast"? It has the appropriate quality of allusion inherent in it.

 

[Shrinker]

Pimplecast... small, irritating, inflamed, mostly of concern to teenagers etc...

 

[Pardalis]

How about "potcast"?

 

[The_Fire]

"Spewcast"?
"Spitcast"?
"Pewcast"?
"Pisscast"?

ETA:
"Pusscast" sounds nice....

 

[chipmunk stew]

Dudcast.

 

[Ducky]

Fact of the matter is Roxdog isn't coming here to debate because he can't control the debate, therefore he can't call foul for getting his ass handed to him by logic and evidence.


What a coward.

 

[chipmunk stew]

"henhouse", stirring the pot:
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5730&view=findpost&p=5119220

FYI:

conspiracybeliever,

Roxdog has forgotten the log-in information that you gave him to log in to the JREF forum.

For some reason, he doesn't want to contact you himself.

Would you please PM him the information again, so he can issue his challenge to the skeptics over there, rather than from the safe distance of this forum?

I see that you logged in this morning, so I know you're still an active member. I'll check to see if you log in again so that I'll know whether you received this message.

I'm going to post this in the Skeptic forum, too, and ask that someone copy it over at the JREF forum as well, just so there's no miscommunication in the future.

Best regards,
henhouse

Would someone from JREF please post this over there? Thanks.

 

[dubfan]

Rox,

I guess if you keep repeating the lie enough times, people will start to believe it -- is that the strategy here?

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5730&view=findpost&p=5121244

And why haven't you addressed exMLRStroop's post here:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5603&view=findpost&p=5109663

And knock it off with the "you know my email" fallacy. You know mine too, and any time you care to provide me with the call in number and the answer to the other two questions (who else will be on, and what specific 9/11 subject you want to discuss), I'm ready. I have the entire hour free next Tuesday night.

 

[Hutch]

dubfan, just linked your "despicable liar" post to a reply to DJLegacy in that thread so everyone can see the evidence--not that it will last there very long...

 

[dubfan]

dubfan, just linked your "despicable liar" post to a reply to DJLegacy in that thread so everyone can see the evidence--not that it will last there very long...

Thanks Hutch.

 

[Disco]

"Spewcast"?
"Spitcast"?
"Pewcast"?
"Pisscast"?

ETA:
"Pusscast" sounds nice....

Pussycast, perhaps?

MHB

 

[DJLegacy2k5]

Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages...the LC forums proudly brings to you the #1 9/11 Admin in the WOORRRRLLLLDDD...He is DJ Legacy!

(Crowd Goes Wild)

 

[The_Fire]

Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages...the LC forums proudly brings to you the #1 9/11 Admin in the WOORRRRLLLLDDD...He is DJ Legacy!

(Crowd Goes Wild)

*Quirks an eyebrow*
Ok. Now what do you want to discuss?

 

[DJLegacy2k5]

You all invited me here with a nice little thread about well...ME....so ummm I just stopped in for the free food and drinks...