DJLegacy of LC Forum Proves Gravy Dead Wrong!

dubfan said:
Roxdog, you are a despicable liar. My account is suspended at LC, but I know you're reading this, so I'm going to do a little recap -- right here, in public -- for you.
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Well, Roxdog? You have an account here. Why not explain why you're accusing dubfan of avoiding you?

I know from personal experience that you're not big on apologies, but, really, isn't it time to be a man?
 
Gravy said:
Well, Roxdog? You have an account here. Why not explain why you're accusing dubfan of avoiding you?

I know from personal experience that you're not big on apologies, but, really, isn't it time to be a man?
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He claims he forgot the password for the conspiracybeliever account, and apparently he's too stupid to follow simple instructions to make his own.
 
Oh and BTW Roxdog, none of the mods or admins here will post your IP info like the scum over at LC do when they get their butts handed to them in an argument. Quite a group you guys have over there. :rolleyes:
 
"My first issue with JREF is that most of them appear to be very poor thinkers. This over-emphsis on critical thinking at the expense of other types of thinking such as creative and lateral thinking."

More proof that CT is not necessarily an acronym for critical thinking. It could be Creative Thinking. Or even Crazy Train.
 
sat556 said:
What exactly does 'owned' mean?
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Clearly you are not a "gamer".

133t sk1||z (*) are required to understand the concept of "pwned" (+), and how to "pwn".

Or have the mental development of a adolescent male with too much free time to play online on his xbox/ps2/gamer pc.

I'm not sure which is correct. It could be both...

(*) "elite skills"
(+) may also be presented as "PVVN3D"
 
Pidge said:
Clearly you are not a "gamer".

133t sk1||z (*) are required to understand the concept of "pwned" (+), and how to "pwn".

Or have the mental development of a adolescent male with too much free time to play online on his xbox/ps2/gamer pc.

I'm not sure which is correct. It could be both...

(*) "elite skills"
(+) may also be presented as "PVVN3D"
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But never, ever mention

OMFG!!11 t0T@1 pvvn3d@9ez0r2 n00B!!111!!!!11one!!!

or ninjas will murder you in your sleep.
 
Pidge said:
Clearly you are not a "gamer".

133t sk1||z (*) are required to understand the concept of "pwned" (+), and how to "pwn".

Or have the mental development of a adolescent male with too much free time to play online on his xbox/ps2/gamer pc.

I'm not sure which is correct. It could be both...

(*) "elite skills"
(+) may also be presented as "PVVN3D"
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I'll stick with the joystick thank you.
 
delphi_ote said:
But never, ever mention

OMFG!!11 t0T@1 pvvn3d@9ez0r2 n00B!!111!!!!11one!!!

or ninjas will murder you in your sleep.
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Thanks delphi. I'd forgotten "n00b" and "OMFG". Damn, losing my gamer creds.

Back to the topic.

Gravy, the LCer's do raise a valid point about the emotional content and (perceived?) ad homiens. Maybe a co-operative effort could be done to build on your excellent work, provide references for counter-claims or rebuttal evidence which are missing them (if there are any) so as to not repeat one of many mistakes DA has made.

Perhaps a (closed access) Wiki would be useful to set up.

PS Look at the top ranking search on Google for "attack the messenger fallacy"...
 
Pidge said:
Gravy, the LCer's do raise a valid point about the emotional content and (perceived?) ad homiens.
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Maybe you could provide references that support you when you call DA an idiot, imbecille, deluded, lunatic etc ;)

When I read the guide, all of the direct rebuttal of "evidence" (*) is very well done. However, when I do get to some ad hom or "name calling", I cringe a bit. It seems to detract from the purpose of the guide.

Though I've only got to the end of the first section (Pentagon) so far. (time, time, time)

(*) Calling anything supplied in LCII evidence is a huge injustice to the word.
 
DJLegacy AKA "The Truth" on LC forum
He want's me to debate with him...how cute...Aka, he wants to say what he has to say while all of his little buddies back him up and try to attack me and discredit any points I make...

Sounds fair huh?

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5683&view=findpost&p=5089694
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No, DJ, you only have to respond to me. I promise I won't call you any names. Did I ever? You've been calling me names constantly.

I'm assuming that you can find at least one supportable claim in LC, right? Just bring your facts and sources, and I'll bring mine.

Judging by what you've been saying in every post about me, you'll have no problem putting me – and by extension all of my ghost-hunting bootlicking lackeys – in our places. I'm willing and able to defend my statements. Are you? The honorable choice awaits you.

I will respond to Gravy not because that goofball article does anything to discredit the movement, but because the dude is a complete tool and a hypocrite.

Skeptics use his article like the bible and all it is, is a bunch of garbage. He draws a conclusion is his head then finds unsourced quotes to try to turn the tide his way...just like he blames LC of doing...go figure....

You people blame followers of LC for backing a documentary that "is full of rhetoric and lacks substance"...but yet you all quote Gravy like his article isnt complete ********....

Time for these types of people to be put in their place...Period...You want to discredit Dylan and the group...I'll show you how much ******** your side is as well...

Im not doing this to defend LC, we all admit their are problems with it, this is a about the truth...

Gravy is a hypocritical peice of trash....period.

Clear enough?

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...post&p=4965896
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Pidge said:
When I read the guide, all of the direct rebuttal of "evidence" (*) is very well done. However, when I do get to some ad hom or "name calling", I cringe a bit. It seems to detract from the purpose of the guide.
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Yes, that's a common and correct criticism. Believe it or not, folks here warned me about the cutting remarks in my first version, so I edited most of them out. Yoiks! I would have done the same with the rest in the past month, but I have a very difficult time forcing myself to wade through the material. I REALLY don't enjoy doing this stuff.
 
Mr. Skinny said:
While looking at the LC forum from a link someone provided, I read a post there that suggested that DJLegacy and Gravy be allowed to debate in a closed thread (so to speak) and that anyone who posted there other than Gravy and DJ would have their post deleted. (or something like that)

They seemed to fear a pile on by JREF folks, and I can't really blame them, in a way. Also, I think a thread like this might be interesting.

Thoughts?
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I suggested this to DJ, im hoping something can be arranged maybe with Darat or we just all agree not to get involved. Darat?
 
WildCat said:
Aw look! DJLegacy is crying about my post!
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5730
:D

eta: These morons think Randi is a ghost hunter! This is the kind of reading comprehension that makes them so gullible to the CT nonsense.
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I must say, I wanted to come to the defence of randi, but its just frustrating to deal with, so I have bitten my tongue. Its just cheap trash talk. Attacking a character to win an arguement is poor, so I am just looking past it.
 
hellaeon said:
I suggested this to DJ, im hoping something can be arranged maybe with Darat or we just all agree not to get involved. Darat?
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My suggestion was that he can reply to anyone he wants to, but he only has to reply to me. Why in the world should we make special arrangements for this guy? He has done NOTHING but rudely rail against us. Did we request special treatment on the LC boards? No, we put our arguments up for anyone to debate.
 
Gravy said:
My suggestion was that he can reply to anyone he wants to, but he only has to reply to me. Why in the world should we make special arrangements for this guy? He has done NOTHING but rudely rail against us. Did we request special treatment on the LC boards? No, we put our arguments up for anyone to debate.
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Your very correct.
I think his main complaint is that our admins wont let him register. I highly doubt this coming from him since his character assassination of all things JREF is hardly tame.
 
I'm going to suggest it again, once DJ gets registered and is on-board, several formal threads should be set up to argue a speicific point.

such as:

Resolved: That the destruction of WTC 7 was a controlled demolition

Resolved: That Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon

Resolved: That a Plane crash and fire were not sufficient to coause WTC1 and WTC2 to fail.

Resolved: That Flight 93 did not crash in Pennsylvania.

Those seem to me to be the most debatable points and avoids the more woosih (nuclear weapons! $2.3 Trillion missing!) stuff and allows folks to concentrate on the major issues.

Just my 2 Egyptian pounds worth...
 
Hutch said:
I'm going to suggest it again, once DJ gets registered and is on-board, several formal threads should be set up to argue a speicific point.

such as:

Resolved: That the destruction of WTC 7 was a controlled demolition

Resolved: That Flight 77 did not crash into the Pentagon

Resolved: That a Plane crash and fire were not sufficient to coause WTC1 and WTC2 to fail.

Resolved: That Flight 93 did not crash in Pennsylvania.

Those seem to me to be the most debatable points and avoids the more woosih (nuclear weapons! $2.3 Trillion missing!) stuff and allows folks to concentrate on the major issues.

Just my 2 Egyptian pounds worth...
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Good grief, don't use formal logic verbage! They'll take it to mean the question is "resolved" in the manner listed, not that it is a proposition.
 
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