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Did Arafat have AIDS?

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This is the AIDS related excerpt from the article at the above website url.


Uncertainties after Arafat loom over hopes for Mideast peace
Nov 11, 2004
By Art Toalston
WASHINGTON (BP)—BP NEWS

AIDS AS CAUSE OF DEATH?

David Frum, an online columnist for the National Review and a former speechwriter for President Bush, took note of “the world media's astonishing lack of curiosity about the nature of the disease” afflicting Arafat.

On Nov. 11, the day of Arafat’s death, The New York Times stated that Arafat died “of complications from an unknown disease.” CNN reported that Arafat “succumbed to a lengthy and unknown illness.” Fox News stated, “The Palestinian leader always said he wanted to die as a martyr, but died instead of old age and a mysterious illness.”

Frum, in his Oct. 29 column, commented that Arafat “has suffered a dramatic weight loss, memory loss and periods of disorientation, loss of muscle control and recurring nausea. His doctors tell us that his blood platelet count has dropped dramatically, but that he does not have leukemia. These symptoms sound remarkably AIDS-like, don't they?

“An AIDS diagnosis would certainly accord with what is widely known about Arafat's personal way of life,” Frum wrote, citing “lurid, homoerotic details” found in the memoirs of Lt. Gen. Ion Pacepa, former head of Romanian intelligence under Nicolae Ceausescu.

Excerpts from those memoirs were cited by Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of the Internet’s WorldNetDaily, in a Sept. 22 column.

“Arafat is a homosexual,” Farah wrote at the outset. “There are also persistent rumors that he is a pedophile. I mean, in his private life, he is everything the Islamic culture detests -– a closet pervert.”

Citing a book by Pacepa, "Red Horizons," published during the late 1980s, Farah excerpted a report to Pacepa from a Romanian general in charge of providing propaganda tutoring to Arafat and the PLO.

“At this very moment, the 'Fedayee' [Arafat’s code name] is in his bedroom making love to his bodyguard. The one I knew was his latest lover.” The general’s statement to Pacepa described what he heard while monitoring Arafat’s quarters via microphones.

Farah, at the end of his column, quipped, “Would anyone like to translate this for distribution in the West Bank and Gaza?”


postScript: NY Post ("A Grave Case of Coverup"-Page 9) ran this as part of their Arafat coverage today (Nov 13) as well. They further indicated that a French military hospital was picked to treat Arafat as this insured complete confidentiality under French and French military law regardng Arafat's condition whether he was dead or alive. The Post went on to say that blood and bone marrow samples were sent to labs overseas including in the U.S. and that it would not be long before results from facilities outside of France might reveal the nature of his illness and either confirm or lay to rest the assertions that Arafat had AIDS.
 
Oh, good, WorldNetDaily and the NY Post. I mean, they never make stuff up or report rumor for political reasons. They're perfectly honest news sources.

Just to make sure, though, we should probably get the expert, unbiased opinion of FrontPageNews on the subject.
 
Cleon said:
Oh, good, WorldNetDaily and the NY Post. I mean, they never make stuff up or report rumor for political reasons. They're perfectly honest news sources.

Just to make sure, though, we should probably get the expert, unbiased opinion of FrontPageNews on the subject.

What you say? The Post is a solid republican newspaper that even endorsed Bush. Their story is pretty non-comittal at this point and they cite their sources:

http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/33977.htm


Summary

CAUSE OF DEATH SECRET AMID AIDS RUMOR

By URI DAN and ANDY SOLTIS
________________________________________

November 13, 2004 -- Yasser Arafat's death closed one chapter in Mideast history but opened a new book — the mystery of what killed him.

Arafat was buried without the autopsy demanded by his longtime doctor — while his French doctors are barred from even hinting about the cause of death.

The issue threatens to haunt the West Bank and Gaza Strip because of fanciful accusations that Arafat was poisoned.

"We will respond to the assassination of the leader and symbol by striking the depth of the Israeli entity," a new Palestinian terrorist group, the Yasser Arafat Brigades, blustered yesterday.

What is known is that for years Arafat was plagued by various ailments, possibly including Parkinson's disease.
But his health took a sharp downturn Oct. 12 when, according to aides, he caught a cold which developed into nausea. He was examined by Egyptian and Tunisian medical teams, who said he was recovering.

But on Oct. 27, Arafat collapsed and lost consciousness for 10 minutes. Two days later he was rushed to French military hospital for yet more tests.

By then, rumors were circulating blaming his condition on everything from AIDS to poison.

Early in Arafat's illness, former White House speechwriter David Frum suggested Arafat was being treated in France, rather than an Arab country, because that would ensure his AIDS would remain a secret.
...more at:

http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/33977.htm


Personally I think Arafat had chronic hepatitis causing a damaged liver which could also explain his thrombocytopenia. The possibility of AIDS, however, is no more or no less improbable than the possibility he was poisoned. His "supporters" are starting to make noises that Israel poisoned him and they are gearing up for a new round of revenge attacks based on this. Sure, a variety of toxins, including those found in some mushrooms, can damage the liver and affect platelet proliferation. Where did Arafat's cook buy his mushrooms? I trust it was not in TelAviv.

It would be sickingly ironic if Arafat did die of AIDS and if the other allgations about his sexual preferences were borne out by the overseas testing of his specimens. Of course his supplicants would never believe that like they would never believe he stole $20 billion from them either.
 
Arafat was an old man who was imprisoned in his home for 3 years. This is not the makings of a healthy lifestyle.

I think, and quite frankly this should be rather obvious, that the rumors of AIDS and pedophilia are an attempt to discredit him in the Muslim world.
 
Cleon said:
Arafat was an old man who was imprisoned in his home for 3 years. This is not the makings of a healthy lifestyle.

I think, and quite frankly this should be rather obvious, that the rumors of AIDS and pedophilia are an attempt to discredit him in the Muslim world.

Without a doubt. His living in his office, drinking crappy water and spoiled food doubtlessly contributed to his demise. This is why I think hepatitis did him in. Hep-A is a typical water borne virus but is not usually the cause of chronic hepatitis; Hep B is only rarely involved and Hep C is the most common cause of chronic hepatitis. I have seen such patients go on for sometime almost without symptoms only to rapidly go downhill and die after a few weeks. Arafat's case reminds me of such cases.

But quite frankly it should also be obvious that rumors of being poisoned by Israel are an attempt to martyr him and set the stage for continuing suicide bombing and terrorist attacks as well. As I tried to say above, him having died of AIDS, of being a homosexual pedophile are just as or no more improbable then some Israeli secret agent sneaking in to his office and poisoning his food.
 
When was the last time you saw a gay man as unkempt as Arafat?
 
Well 75 is a ripe old age for people who have the best lifestyles and habits. I would think Mr. Arafat's path was less then ideal. I don't think theres a need for wild or conspiratorial theories, the guy just wore out.
 
TillEulenspiegel said:
Well 75 is a ripe old age for people who have the best lifestyles and habits. I would think Mr. Arafat's path was less then ideal. I don't think theres a need for wild or conspiratorial theories, the guy just wore out.

75 is a ripe old age but "just wore out" is not placed on death certificates as the cause of death. People are not vacuum cleaners. Society demands more of medicine than that regardless of how old you are when you die. LOL. That's what this is about.

His actual or true cause of death is particularly important in the case of a leader such as Arafat for the reasons previously cited.
 
Cleon said:
Oh, good, WorldNetDaily and the NY Post. I mean, they never make stuff up or report rumor for political reasons. They're perfectly honest news sources.

Just to make sure, though, we should probably get the expert, unbiased opinion of FrontPageNews on the subject.

That's what I was thinking too. NY Post and World... LOL.
 
Questioninggeller said:
That's what I was thinking too. NY Post and World... LOL.

You guys are just not reading carefully enough. Provided urls from BP News and the NY Post, which mentions the NY Times which broke the story yesterday (Friday). So if the Post and the World are not good enuff for you, then perhaps the pro-Arab Times is.

In an article entitled "Secrecy by Aides and Silence by Doctors Persists, and What Killed Arafat Is Still a Mystery," the paper detailed Arafat's rapid health decline and the mystery shrouding his illness.

The paper reported:

"Even after Yasser Arafat's death this morning, French health officials continued their stony silence about exactly what disease killed the Palestinian leader. And so the man who lived so much of his life simply and in the public eye, died mysteriously, surrounded by secrecy.

'The spokesman for the French hospital where Arafat died said that officials would not release any tests, detail the cause of death, or even acknowledge whether had an autopsy had been conducted. The Times noted that a tight circle of aides to Arafat had access to him and his doctors. They have kept a tight lid on details of his health and death. Unlocking the mystery of Arafat's death might come from several clues. Two days before his death, aides revealed that Arafat was in a coma after having a brain hemorrhage. But the Times doubts this stroke was likely not the cause of Arafat's maladies.

"At the time of his medical evacuation to Paris two weeks ago, aides disclosed that he was suffering from a low platelet count and had undergone a platelet transfusion. Since platelets are involved in blood clotting, patients with low counts are predisposed to brain hemorrhages, so Mr. Arafat's platelet count may have contributed to his death."

Then the Times noted the AIDS connection:

"But low platelet counts in the blood are a common finding in a wide range of afflictions, including severe infections, liver disease, end stage cancer and even AIDS." The Times revelation gives credence to Internet buzz that Arafat may have died of AIDS. Some suggested that Arafat's apparent dementia - a symptom of AIDS - in his closing days was one sign he might have been suffering from the immune disorder."

According to J.R. Nyquist, whoever that is, some more grist for the mill published back in Oct 2000:

In 1970 the Kremlin became interested in an obscure Arab construction engineer and collector of racecars, named Rahman al-Qudwa. Evidence shows, contrary to later claims, that this "construction engineer" was an Egyptian, born in Cairo during the summer of 1929. Rahman graduated from the University of Cairo and served as an officer in the Egyptian Army during the 1956 Suez campaign. Later he set up a business in Kuwait and made a fortune. He then entered politics, founding a hopelessly small terrorist organization.

But this terrorist organization would not remain hopelessly small forever.

According to the former head of Romanian intelligence, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, one of the highest ranking communist defectors of all time, Rahman al-Qudwa became an important political ally of the communist bloc following the death of Egypt's president, Gamal Abdul Nasser, in 1970. Gen. Pacepa's account of Rahman's intimate relations with the communist bloc is related in a book entitled "Red Horizons." As it happens, Pacepa tells us that the communists trusted Rahman because he was a voracious homosexual. This alone made him a workable Kremlin puppet, because once the Romanian intelligence services had taped Rahman's sex sessions with men and boys, he was completely in their hands. Afterwards, Rahman's friendship for the communist bloc would be permanent -- if he valued his growing popularity in the Arab world.

Rahman al-Qudwa is better known as Yasser Arafat, the chairman of the PLO since 1968 and the president of the Palestinian Authority -- which is now at war with Israel. According to Gen. Pacepa's account, communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu ordered his people to bring Arafat over to Romania. In late 1970 the chief of Romanian intelligence in Egypt, Gen. Constantine Munteanu, arrived in Bucharest with Arafat in tow. Munteanu had gathered an extensive file on Arafat, which characterized the PLO leader as "so much cleverness, blood, and filth all together in one man." Pacepa says that this was Munteanu's "standard definition of Arafat."

Given Gen. Munteanu's extensive file, Arafat could not exactly refuse the communist's "friendly" overtures. There is little question that Arafat is fanatically devoted to destroying Israel, and would sell his soul to the devil to gain his devilish ends. Therefore, a compact between Arafat and the Soviet Union via communist Romania was not something that violated any sacred Islamic rule in Arafat's heart. Arafat is no Moslem. His fanaticism is completely secular. But since he operates within the Islamic world, he must sometimes appear as a would-be Muslim liberator.

(“Kremlin puppets and how they work,” J.R. Nyquist, October 19, 2000)

Above and more at:

http://www.tldm.org/news2/arafat.htm

I am personally betting on chronic hepatitis ("liver disease") as mentioned in the list above but cannot speculate precisely how he got it or whether AIDS prevented recovery from it, ultimately causing death.
 
Do folks die of AIDS these days? In the old days we died of things that we couldn't fight off because of AIDS.

Even if you find evidence that Arafat died of a rare disease that people with immunodeficiency get, that isn't a definite indicator that he had aids.
 
corplinx said:
Do folks die of AIDS these days? In the old days we died of things that we couldn't fight off because of AIDS.


Even if you find evidence that Arafat died of a rare disease that people with immunodeficiency get, that isn't a definite indicator that he had aids.

That is correct. People with AIDS develop unusually rare diseases such as Kaposi's sarcoma and Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia and some not so rare diseases such as fungal pathogens, hepatitis and tuberculosis. These secondary diseases and others are what kills people, AIDS or not.

The only way anyone will ever know if Arafat had AIDS would be if his blood tests positive by Elisa or Western Blot for HIV. Any disease that kills an AIDS victim could also kill them if they didn't have AIDS. I am familiar with a 1979 published report, ironically from France, of Kaposi's Sarcoma simulating lymphoma and which was fatal:

Ann Med Interne (Paris). 1979 Dec;130(12):625-9.

[Kaposi's sarcoma simulating a splenolymphatic lymphoma, toxoplasmosis, and terminal cryptococcus infection (author's translation)]

Mongin M, Weiller PJ, Lammy S, Gamby T, Lebreuil G.

The authors report a case of Kaposi's sarcome (K.S.) characterized by the small degree of cutaneous involvement as opposed to splenic and lymphatic invasion, lymphoplasmocytic infiltration of the bone marrow, and opportunistic infections (toxoplasmosis, and cryptococcosis). The rapid mortal outcome and the anatomoclinical characteristics of the K.S. enable this case to be classified as one of the rare types of malignant K.S. with pseudo-cryptoccosis features.


Arafat was not autopsied so pathologists cannot look at his brain, his liver, spleen, heart and lungs or anywhere else under suspicion. But samples of his blood, bone marrow and
undoubtedly urine, sputum and other bodily fluids and tissues were taken while he was alive in order to diagnose him. The Post said they had information that his blood and bone marrow were sent to labs overseas including the U.S. for testing. If this is true then such labs may leak or even officially publish their findings even though the French are prevented from doing so by law for either a living or a deceased person.
 
The pro-Palestinian, pro-Arafat persons take issue with sources; they refuse to acknowledge the pro-palestinian NY Times and the Wall Street Journal as sources for the articles given. They refuse to acknowledge an older published book by a Romanian KGB agent detailing Arafat's homosexuality, his recruitment as an agent of the former USSR, his true name as an Egyptian born, raised and educated citizen who decided that taking on the cause of the palestinians and starting a terrorist organization was a great way of scamming wads of cash.

As this story percolates, is checked and re-checked by the media it will be discussed and dissected and referred to over the weeks ahead. The sad part about this is regardless of Arafat's early life, his sexual orientation and his cause of death, the man was basically a terrorist, murderer and a thief, robbing his own people of billions of dollars while they starved. The recognition of this by the palestinian people may be a turning point in resolving their statehood problems if they can come to terms with the fact that for these many decades they have been scammed by a pervert.
He was not a devout moslem either. He was a phoney who even married a christian 34 years his junior because she became enamored of his cause.

You can pick on the NY Post (a conservative, republican pro-Bush newspaper) if you want to or to any other web based source which reprinted the information provided, but it does not alter the the fact that the sources, as given, remain undisputed.



http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/12/international/europe/12health.html

________________________________________

November 12, 2004

THE ILLNESS
Secrecy by Aides and Silence by Doctors Persists, and What Killed Arafat Is Still a Mystery
By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL


International Herald Tribune

PARIS, Nov. 11 - Even after Yasir Arafat's death this morning, French health officials continued their stony silence about exactly what disease killed the Palestinian leader. And so the man who lived so much of his life simply and in the public eye, died mysteriously, surrounded by secrecy.
After two weeks, the medical databases at Percy military hospital in suburban Clamart must be crammed with information about Mr. Arafat's condition. Scans. Biopsies. Reams of blood test results that would have defined within minutes his kidney, liver and lung function. But those remain top secret.
The hospital officially announced Mr. Arafat's death in a terse statement delivered by a hospital spokesman, Gen. Christian Estripeau, who told reporters that there would be no details released on tests, the cause of death or whether there would be an autopsy.
In France, a patient or the next of kin must give permission for doctors to release information, and in his carefully worded statements, General Estripeau has suggested that this permission was not given. "It is not up to the defense forces health services to reveal information given to the family," he said Thursday.
It is accepted medical practice throughout the world that patients or their families have to the right to keep medical information private. In France, politicians and celebrities frequently keep their medical information secret. But in many countries, like the United States, public figures are expected to disclose private health information and hospitals tend to encourage it.
In fact, all the information that has dribbled out about Mr. Arafat's death has come from his Palestinian aides, who provide facts through a nonmedical and highly politicized filter. These few misshapen puzzle pieces are insufficient to create a picture of what went wrong.
As their beloved leader's health deteriorated in the past two days, Mr. Arafat's aides announced only that he was in a deep coma on life support machines, having suffered a brain hemorrhage - a stroke caused by bleeding into the brain. But such a fatal event can have many underlying causes, and does not explain why Mr. Arafat's health had deteriorated so precipitously in the past month.
Strokes are generally sudden affairs, and Mr. Arafat's was almost certainly a secondary result of his underlying and undisclosed illness. At the time of his medical evacuation to Paris two weeks ago, aides disclosed that he was suffering from a low platelet count and had undergone a platelet transfusion. Since platelets are involved in blood clotting, patients with low counts are predisposed to brain hemorrhages, so Mr. Arafat's platelet count may have contributed to his death.
But low platelet counts in the blood are a common finding in a wide range of afflictions, including severe infections, liver disease, end stage cancer and even AIDS. And doctors made no mention of a hemorrhage until Thursday, suggesting that it was a recent event.
There are various possibilities about why Mr. Arafat's inner circle would want to keep the cause of his death a secret. Perhaps he suffered from a disease that they considered embarrassing. Or perhaps the doctors who treated him during the early phases of his illness in Ramallah missed a treatable condition, letting him deteriorate to the point where it was too late to cure him once he had been moved to Paris.
In the end, the actual timing of his death - like so much of his life -was probably tinged with a hefty dose of politics and religion.
At some point after he was transferred to intensive care, Mr. Arafat was placed on a ventilator, a machine that assists in breathing. Once a patient's breathing is maintained by a machine, the exact timing of death often becomes something of a matter of choice. More important, it also becomes subject to religious variations concerning the ethics of caring for terminally ill patients.
Islamic scholars have generally prohibited the discontinuation of life support machines, since the Koran advises, "Don't throw yourself into death."
But, in France, as in much of the world, death is now defined by the death of the brain. Many Islamic scholars say a patient can be disconnected from life support once he is brain dead, since he is no longer really alive. But some conservative Muslim groups, as well as many conservative Jews, still maintain that the person lives so long as the heart is beating.
With so little information available, it is not known if Mr. Arafat was ever removed from life support machines, or if his heart stopped beating while he was still on them.

Elisabeth Rosenthal is a medical doctor.

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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/int...ng.html?oref=login&pagewanted=print&position=

Arafat Poisoned by Israel: No Proof but it is Sought


Filed at 5:22 p.m. ET

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) -- A top Palestinian official said Saturday there is no evidence that Israel poisoned Yasser Arafat, but called for an investigation into the cause of death of the Palestinian leader.
Responding to widespread rumors in the Arab world that Israel killed Arafat, Nasser al-Kidwa, the Palestinian envoy to the United Nations, said it was a ``possibility'' that Arafat had been poisoned. But he made clear there is nothing to back up this claim.
``Are we making any accusations? No we don't. We don't have any material proof and furthermore we don't think that we are in a position to reach these facts,'' he said.
Al-Kidwa's comments on the poisoning rumors were the first by a Palestinian official since Arafat's death. The 75-year-old Palestinian leader who had been suffering from poor health for years died Thursday in Paris, where he was taken Oct. 29 for treatment after tests showed he had a low count of blood platelets.
The intense secrecy surrounding Arafat's final days has aroused frustration in many corners of the Arab world. On Friday, Arafat's Jordanian physician called for an autopsy, saying that poisoning was a possible cause for the low platelet count.
Neither Palestinian officials nor Arafat's French medical team have announced a cause of death.
Israeli officials have angrily denied accusations of wrongdoing, noting that they allowed foreign medical teams to examine Arafat and permitted him to fly to France for treatment. While Arafat was being treated in France, his foreign minister, Nabil Shaath, also said poisoning had been ruled out.
Al-Kidwa, who is a nephew of Arafat and was one of the few people permitted to visit him in the French hospital, said the uncertainty over the Palestinian leader's death will need to be resolved.
``I think it's the right of the Palestinian people, at some point in the future, to make sure what is the exact reality about what happened,'' he said.
Whatever the cause, he said Israel bears some responsibility for Arafat's death, noting that Arafat had been confined in poor conditions to his West Bank compound for the last three years of his life.

So here is the take from the NY Times: Palestinians claiming Israel killed him, justifying further acts of suicide bombings and terrorist acts and a medical doctor writing in the International Herald Tribune (Paris) reprinted by the NY Times suggesting AIDS as one possibility.
 
materia3 said:
The pro-Palestinian, pro-Arafat persons take issue with sources; they refuse to acknowledge the pro-palestinian NY Times and the Wall Street Journal as sources for the articles given. They refuse to acknowledge an older published book by a Romanian KGB agent detailing Arafat's homosexuality, his recruitment as an agent of the former USSR, his true name as an Egyptian born, raised and educated citizen who decided that taking on the cause of the palestinians and starting a terrorist organization was a great way of scamming wads of cash.

As this story percolates, is checked and re-checked by the media it will be discussed and dissected and referred to over the weeks ahead. The sad part about this is regardless of Arafat's early life, his sexual orientation and his cause of death, the man was basically a terrorist, murderer and a thief, robbing his own people of billions of dollars while they starved. The recognition of this by the palestinian people may be a turning point in resolving their statehood problems if they can come to terms with the fact that for these many decades they have been scammed by a pervert.
He was not a devout moslem either. He was a phoney who even married a christian 34 years his junior because she became enamored of his cause.

You can pick on the NY Post (a conservative, republican pro-Bush newspaper) if you want to or to any other web based source which reprinted the information provided, but it does not alter the the fact that the sources, as given, remain undisputed.

Could you address using "Virgin Mary's End Time Prophecies" as a source?
 
Sorry but my sources have been given repeatedly; if it happens that they are also virgin mary's source so be it.

It doesn't change the fact that Arafat stole/hid billions from his people who lived in abject poverty and that he was a phoney moslem and even a phoney palestinian. Just another corrupt politician who got lucky but paid for it in the end. He will not be missed.
 
materia3 said:
Sorry but my sources have been given repeatedly; if it happens that they are also virgin mary's source so be it.

It doesn't change the fact that Arafat stole/hid billions from his people who lived in abject poverty and that he was a phoney moslem and even a phoney palestinian. Just another corrupt politician who got lucky but paid for it in the end. He will not be missed.

Yes, he stole billions. I know that because I started that thread. But why would you use "Virgin Mary's End Time Prophecies" as a news source to support your argument? Hint: It makes you look like a fool.
 
materia3 said:
Without a doubt. His living in his office, drinking crappy water and spoiled food doubtlessly contributed to his demise.
I was (am) unaware of what daily life was like in his office. Why did he have such poor living conditions? Didn't his supporters provide good food, water, etc. for him?

Is there some place to read about what his daily life was actually like?

Thanks.
 

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