Derren Brown's screaming stooges

nothing in that seance program was supposed to be, was meant to be, was purported to be, a magic trick such as David Copperfield, or even Paul Daniels might perform.

You mean apart from when he said "My techniques are rooted in conjuring magic and hypnosis. All else is most likely misdirection and should be taken with a hefty pinch of salt."?

DB was supposed to be proving that seances are the result of ideomotor rather than communication with the spirit world through a medium.

The ideomotor effect was the explanation for the ouija board scenes, not for the seance.

My point is that it was all done with trickery

Yes.


No.

with the girl chosen to act the role of a medium, and the glass caused to fall over

Yes.

which was the cue to have a scream.

No.

Seriously, how hard is it to accept that people screamed because he made a scary noise in the dark after talking about ghosts and suicide?

EDIT: all the way through this episode, he continually says "these aren't stooges". On his website he says they aren't stooges. On the message before the show he says he didn't use stooges in making this show. Why would a professional magician draw your attention to the method he is using of doing his trick time and again? Wouldn't that be the polar opposite of misdirection?
 
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You think that Jeremy Clarkson is not pretending to be something he's not? :eek:

Wow, I'll bet you'll be really disappointed to find out that almost everything on Top Gear, is set up and scripted and the dastardly and deceiving BBC allow people to be deceived into thinking it's all witty ad lib banter and real road trips.

What sort of snake oil are Clarkson, May and Hammond trying to sell us... Grrrrr!!!!!!!

he's not even a real hamster.
 
James May doesn't hold the rank of Captain in any military organisation. How far does this evil go?
 
James May doesn't hold the rank of Captain in any military organisation. How far does this evil go?

And at no point in the show do they specifically notify us that Clarkson is a ****. Although to be fair, it's pretty obvious.
 
Once i knew Silver Birch was a 9/11 truther all bets were off for a sensible thread.
 
I tuned my radio to 88.4 FM and couldn't hear The Stigs thoughts. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!
 
I've already made it on page 1.
I just want to tell you that I support you: I saw some shows with DB a couple of years ago, and it struck me that his magic tricks most likely consisted of heavy editing rather than actual skill. (I believe he is very skilled, but he has chosen the easy way out and performed his tricks at the cutting table rather than in front of the audience).

Then, recently, I saw his show about a "normal" guy who was never did anything out of the ordinary, and who was afraid of flying, but who nevertheless, after a couple of weeks of invisible coaching from DB, suddenly found himself performing a heroic feet flying an air plane. This would all be very well, if it was not for the obvious use of a stooge: the "normal" guy was obviously an actor, so it was no great trick making him do whatever DB wanted him to do.

This guy, who had not been hypnotised before by DB, would be hypnotised simply by DB speaking to him through a loudspeaker under his bed at night, and he would be in such a deep trance that he would not notice being brought out of the house and taken to a soggy field where he encountered a lion (if I remember correctly), and after wards he would think it was all but a dream.

Later the stooge would (without being hypnotised) steal the stuff from a party van abandoned by its driver, and arrange a street party that obviously used a lot more stuff than the contents of one small van.

And at the end DB brings him in a deep trance just by slapping his hand on the stooges forehead so that he can be transferred from a real aeroplane, driven in a car to a flight simulator which he then thinks is real, and he steers it down successfully. OK, if it was a real normal guy who found himself in the cockpit, the stress and adrenaline might cause him to not notice that the view is not 3D, and looking more like a computer simulation, so that one could probably pass.

As DB writes himself the use of stooges is artistically repugnant, and I have therefore decided not to see any more shows with Derren Brown.
 
nothing in that seance program was supposed to be, was meant to be, was purported to be, a magic trick such as David Copperfield, or even Paul Daniels might perform. I hope I have made myself clear after 4 pages.

In short, despite your hope, the answer is no.

No, you have not made yourself clear after four pages.
 
yes, after watching the video one more time, DB claims the ouija board part was ideomotor.
the biggest LOADACRAP is at the begining where the girl he places behind the curtain fakes going into a trance when DB just waves his hand in front of her face. Its not possible to put someone in a trance for the very first time like that.

Once again I'd like to point out that you really don't know as much about hypnotism as you think you do.
 
Once again I'd like to point out that you really don't know as much about hypnotism as you think you do.
But you know that people can be hypnotised by waving the hand in front of them the very first time?

As far as I know, the verdict is still out whether hypnosis even exists. The condition can be explained by a desire to please the hypnotist, and stage hypnotists (like DB) usually test for this desire by making a test where only those easily hypnotised will respond eagerly to a silly suggestion by the hypnotist.

The scene that I described where DB "hypnotised" a man just by clapping a hand on the man's forehead, is how hypnosis is not done, except on trained subjects. The subject in this case could have had no idea what was expected of him. Becoming unconscious and not noticing that he is carried out of an aeroplane, driven by car to a hangar, carried up the stairs into a flight simulator, and then instantly reacting on a flick of the fingers by DB to wake up and thinking that had just felt unwell, is stretching our informed imagination rather far. Real stage hypnotists are careful in explaining their subject what is expected of them, for instance that they are to forget the entire episode.

I believe I know a little bit of hypnosis, because I used to hypnotise friends and family in my younger days.
 
I just want to tell you that I support you: I saw some shows with DB a couple of years ago, and it struck me that his magic tricks most likely consisted of heavy editing rather than actual skill. (I believe he is very skilled, but he has chosen the easy way out and performed his tricks at the cutting table rather than in front of the audience).
You say his tricks are merley editing and not skill but then say he is skilled? Wut? His editing is merely invisible compromise or is it visible (I forget). Not like the editing IS the trick,Dynamo he aint.

Then, recently, I saw his show about a "normal" guy who was never did anything out of the ordinary, and who was afraid of flying, but who nevertheless, after a couple of weeks of invisible coaching from DB, suddenly found himself performing a heroic feet flying an air plane. This would all be very well, if it was not for the obvious use of a stooge: the "normal" guy was obviously an actor, so it was no great trick making him do whatever DB wanted him to do.
Slam the brakes on sunshine and bring us some proof of this actor.

This guy, who had not been hypnotised before by DB, would be hypnotised simply by DB speaking to him through a loudspeaker under his bed at night, and he would be in such a deep trance that he would not notice being brought out of the house and taken to a soggy field where he encountered a lion (if I remember correctly), and after wards he would think it was all but a dream.

Later the stooge would (without being hypnotised) steal the stuff from a party van abandoned by its driver, and arrange a street party that obviously used a lot more stuff than the contents of one small van.

And at the end DB brings him in a deep trance just by slapping his hand on the stooges forehead so that he can be transferred from a real aeroplane, driven in a car to a flight simulator which he then thinks is real, and he steers it down successfully. OK, if it was a real normal guy who found himself in the cockpit, the stress and adrenaline might cause him to not notice that the view is not 3D, and looking more like a computer simulation, so that one could probably pass.

As DB writes himself the use of stooges is artistically repugnant, and I have therefore decided not to see any more shows with Derren Brown.[/quote]

As with all TV there was some editing going on,but no stooges.
 
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But you know that people can be hypnotised by waving the hand in front of them the very first time?

As far as I know, the verdict is still out whether hypnosis even exists. The condition can be explained by a desire to please the hypnotist, and stage hypnotists (like DB) usually test for this desire by making a test where only those easily hypnotised will respond eagerly to a silly suggestion by the hypnotist.

The scene that I described where DB "hypnotised" a man just by clapping a hand on the man's forehead, is how hypnosis is not done, except on trained subjects. The subject in this case could have had no idea what was expected of him. Becoming unconscious and not noticing that he is carried out of an aeroplane, driven by car to a hangar, carried up the stairs into a flight simulator, and then instantly reacting on a flick of the fingers by DB to wake up and thinking that had just felt unwell, is stretching our informed imagination rather far. Real stage hypnotists are careful in explaining their subject what is expected of them, for instance that they are to forget the entire episode.

I believe I know a little bit of hypnosis, because I used to hypnotise friends and family in my younger days.


This (the bit in bold) is exactly my point.

To state that something may or may not exist and then to go and describe how this thing that may (or may not) exist works seems a little off.

If it doesn't exist then all the hypnotist is doing is convincing the subject they are in a hypnotic trance, how this is done is up for debate. A suitably suggestible subject, in the right environment with the right cues beforehand may very well be willing to drop into (what they believe is) a hypnotic trance at any cue. Might be possible, might not. No-one knows the rules because no-one's sure if it exists or not. Either the hypnotist is just very good at telling people what to do in a mystical way, in which case, the method of hypnosis is immaterial, or hypnosis is a defined, specific state of mind which we know nothing significant about and therefore it's impossible for you, the OP or anyone else to tell me 'it can't be done that way' because none of us (not even Derrin) know how it works.
 
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So has the OP given up.Another Derren thread ends with no proof of stooges.Damn.
 
You say his tricks are merley editing and not skill but then say he is skilled? Wut?
As I said, I believe he is skilled, but that in this case he chose the easy way and let the editing be the trick.

Not like the editing IS the trick,Dynamo he aint.
Well, I cannot prove it of course, or it would have been very crude.

Slam the brakes on sunshine and bring us some proof of this actor.
I think I gave enough proof in my resume.

As with all TV there was some editing going on,but no stooges.
Really? And you know this, because?
 

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