Derren Brown's screaming stooges

1. The glass didnt fall over.
2. He didnt say it fell over due to ideomotor,he said it moved due to that.
 
silver birch said:
DB did not say everything was a magic trick. he said the glass fell over due to ideomotor, I suggest you listen to what he says. If he is correct why does he not do so under controlled conditions and claim the James Randi prize?
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For the same reason I don't claim the prize for my amazing ability to walk to the shops.
 
Mashuna said:
For the same reason I don't claim the prize for my amazing ability to walk to the shops.
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You're lucky, I live in a world of magic so the location of the shops are never the same so I have to burn incense, go into a trance and consult my Spiritual Sage to get directions, then I have to don my Boots of Stability, Belt of Battle, Cloak of Caution and carry my Wand of Warding, even then it's a dangerous journey.

The beer is worth it however but don't believe everything the vendors say about the Copious Cup.
 
we know what the metaphor "snake oil" is referring to.

do you know what the ideomotor effect is?
 
Kettle call

Sledge said:
Right now, I'd really like to say something that would get me into trouble with the fine folk who run this forum. Are you being deliberately obtuse or was the question too difficult for you?
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Sledge said:
What's your POINT, silver birch? You seem to be trying to point out that Derren Brown uses tricks to achieve his results. We know this. In the very unlikely event you correctly figure out how he achieved some result, no one is going to say "My god, the man's a fraud! We had no idea!" but "Oh, so THAT'S how he did it. Cool."
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I'd hold off labeling others as obtuse if I were you. But at least you haven't yet compounded the irony by accusing anyone of being a silly pompous ditter.

While not everything Silver Birch has said is correct, at least he has a clue about how the general public perceives mentalists. And you, if one takes your comments at face value, don't.
 
Lamuella said:
we know what the metaphor "snake oil" is referring to.

do you know what the ideomotor effect is?
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I've read the Wikipedia definition and I did misunderstand what it was.
anyway, nevertheless, we still have to establish why the glass fell over when the stooges were all holding hands.
if it was not moved by any physical human intervention then it must qualify DB for the James Randi prize.
If the glass fell while the stooges were holding hands (just before they all screamed) what explanation is there?

just one small point while I'm on the keyboard. Why does DB always wear that long black coat, normally worn at funerals? The clothes somebody wears sends a message. why doesn't he dress more casually, like Jeremy Clarkson, for example?
 
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silver birch said:
I've read the Wikipedia definition and I did misunderstand what it was.
anyway, nevertheless, we still have to establish why the glass fell over when the stooges were all holding hands.
if it was not moved by any physical human intervention then it must qualify DB for the James Randi prize.
If the glass fell while the stooges were holding hands (just before they all screamed) what explanation is there?
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Um, seriously?

You can't think of a single explanation other than "they must all be lying STOOGES!!!"?

Wow. You would totally fail as a magician. Unlike Derren Brown, who is an excellent magician and nothing else.
 
lane99 said:
I'd hold off labeling others as obtuse if I were you. But at least you haven't <blather snipped>
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Do you have a point to make, or are you just here to fling thinly-veiled insults?

silver birch, I'll try and make this as simple as I can for you: What is Derren Brown selling? You have accused him of selling snake oil. What form does this snake oil take? Is it a potion, a pill, what? What fraudulent goods do you think Derren Brown is selling?
 
I suspect that having read through all these posts that some one has a grudge against Derren Brown, his shows are all about how fake mediums and other frauds rip people off and how its all done, they are not meant to be full on this is real shows.
 
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silver birch said:
I've read the Wikipedia definition and I did misunderstand what it was.
anyway, nevertheless, we still have to establish why the glass fell over when the stooges were all holding hands.
if it was not moved by any physical human intervention then it must qualify DB for the James Randi prize.
If the glass fell while the stooges were holding hands (just before they all screamed) what explanation is there?
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um... the explanation is "it's a magic trick". They participants are in a room lit only by a candle. There are hundreds of ways to knock that trophy over.

just one small point while I'm on the keyboard. Why does DB always wear that long black coat, normally worn at funerals? The clothes somebody wears sends a message. why doesn't he dress more casually, like Jeremy Clarkson, for example?
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because he's a showman. Because he's putting on an act. What part of this is difficult for you to understand?
 
It also strikes me that the essential fact that some of the people in his shows have to be in on the act still does not detract from the good work he has done exposing downright conniving frauds and tricksters.

TV shows are very expensive to make and you can only have so many retakes
 
silver birch said:
anyway, nevertheless, we still have to establish why the glass fell over when the stooges were all holding hands.
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Yes, we do... if you substitute "we" for "you".

Because I'm guessing everyone else in the thread except you knows several ways to knock over a glass without anyone seeing how it happened.

silver birch said:
if it was not moved by any physical human intervention then it must qualify DB for the James Randi prize.
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And Derren has never claimed his prize... what does that tell you?
Hopefully that the glass fell because of some physical human intervention.

silver birch said:
If the glass fell while the stooges were holding hands (just before they all screamed) what explanation is there?
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The explanation is that they weren't stooges, they were tricked by a magic trick.

silver birch said:
just one small point while I'm on the keyboard. Why does DB always wear that long black coat, normally worn at funerals? The clothes somebody wears sends a message. why doesn't he dress more casually, like Jeremy Clarkson, for example?
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Just one small point whilst I'm answering questions on the internet.
Why does Co-Co the Clown always wear those giant shoes and that red nose? Why doesn't he dress more casually like Jeremy Clarkson?
 
silver birch said:
I've read the Wikipedia definition and I did misunderstand what it was.
anyway, nevertheless, we still have to establish why the glass fell over when the stooges were all holding hands.
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The glass didnt. Ever heard of invisible thread?
if it was not moved by any physical human intervention then it must qualify DB for the James Randi prize.
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WTF? SO David Copperfield must as well then,after all he flew!
If the glass fell while the stooges were holding hands (just before they all screamed) what explanation is there?
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Magic trick.

just one small point while I'm on the keyboard. Why does DB always wear that long black coat, normally worn at funerals? The clothes somebody wears sends a message. why doesn't he dress more casually, like Jeremy Clarkson, for example?
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Seriously? OK,He is into Victorian things and tends to dress as such when performing.What difference does what he wears have to do with anything?

Are you silver birch now moving on from ideomotor effect being responsible as you claimed Derren said.
 
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