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Steen said:
To ensure that customers feel they have got value for their money, the machine should be equipped with a nice finish, fancy lights and a number of dials and buttons. And of course a thick manual.
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And on the front of the machine, in large block letters: RTFM.

~~ Paul
 
Mojo said:
So they don't bother with succussion? What about all the homoeopaths who claim that this is the vital bit which somehow impresses the remedy on the solvent?
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Sweet Jesus in a minivan! Succussion better be required, or all the water on the planet contains homeopathic quantities of millions of compounds. The entire point of succussion is to make a homeopathic remedy something other than a drink of tap water!

~~ Paul
 
The continuous flow method is certainly not "Hahnemann approved". The K (Korsakov) method is, however. In this, you shake the vial, then pour out the content. The remains sticking to the sides are assumed to be the fraction transferred to the next stage. The vial is then refilled, shaken, ..etc, repeat as needed. This method is very easy and simple to automate. In fact, I already have the draft plans for such an equipment in my drawer, just in case somebody should prove homeopathy works. Such a proof would be followed immidiately by a demand for registration with the FDA and similar authorities worldwide, since homeopathy could no longer be considered harmless, and with my knowledge of both sides, I expect to be among the first on the market with a fully validated and approved process. I expect to make millions. I'm only waiting for Bach, Dr. Sheikh, or some other ..... ehr, knowledgeable person to carry out the test.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
The continuous flow method is certainly not "Hahnemann approved". The K (Korsakov) method is, however. In this, you shake the vial, then pour out the content. The remains sticking to the sides are assumed to be the fraction transferred to the next stage. The vial is then refilled, shaken, ..etc, repeat as needed. This method is very easy and simple to automate. In fact, I already have the draft plans for such an equipment in my drawer, just in case somebody should prove homeopathy works. Such a proof would be followed immidiately by a demand for registration with the FDA and similar authorities worldwide, since homeopathy could no longer be considered harmless, and with my knowledge of both sides, I expect to be among the first on the market with a fully validated and approved process. I expect to make millions. I'm only waiting for Bach, Dr. Sheikh, or some other ..... ehr, knowledgeable person to carry out the test.

Hans
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The machine in the picture Sheikh keeps posting was purchased from Boiron. The machine pictured is indeed a Korsakov method machine. You can see animated descriptions of the Hahnemannian and Korsakov methods on the Boiron website... scroll down and click on the 'Hahnemannian dilution' and 'Korsakov dilution' links in the lower right-hand corner:

http://www.boiron.com/en/htm/06_homeo_histoire/aventure_medicaments_2.htm#

Of course, elsewhere on the Boiron website they acknowledge that highly diluted homeopathic preparations contain not a single molecule of the original "active ingredient":

http://www.boiron.com/en/htm/01_homeo_aujourdhui/connaitre_homeo.htm

The infinitesimal: a scientific challenge
 Homeopathy confirms that substances diluted beyond the known limits of matter...
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So it does seem that MAS et al need to RTFM- 'Read The Flippin' Manual' on their hippy hippy shaking machine
 
MRC_Hans said:
The continuous flow method is certainly not "Hahnemann approved". The K (Korsakov) method is, however. In this, you shake the vial, then pour out the content. The remains sticking to the sides are assumed to be the fraction transferred to the next stage. The vial is then refilled, shaken, ..etc, repeat as needed.
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Isn't that called "not doing the washing up properly"?
 
AH, yes, good illustrations, although I notice that they still have the flask faintly colored at 30C to make it seem that something is still there. However I'm in no doubt about Boiron's stand in this; they know full well that it is a sham, and are just in it for the easy money.

The idea that there is any substance left is peculiar to the Pakistani contingent, more or less. The rest of the homeopathic community readily acknowledges that this is not the case.

About the "direct flow" method if such really exists: I see no reason to assume that this would leave better chance of MT remaining, although, of course, the potency resulting from such a process will be mainly guess-work, so their "12C" could be anything between, say, 3C and 24C.

Oh, btw, Dr. Sheikh, Hahnemannian preparations are labelled CH or C, remedies made with the Korsakov method are labelled CK. How are "flow through" remedies labelled?

Hans

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
The K (Korsakov) method is, however. In this, you shake the vial, then pour out the content. The remains sticking to the sides are assumed to be the fraction transferred to the next stage.
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Do they still call these "X" and "C" prepatations? How can they get the one tenth, or one hundredth, dilution accurately?





Not that it matters, of course...
 
Question: If a homeopath was to manually make homeopathic "medicine" using bottles and his hands for shaking: HOW would he shake the bottles? What is the difference between plain old shaking a bottle and succussion?
 
MRC_Hans said:
The idea that there is any substance left is peculiar to the Pakistani contingent, more or less.
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And Indian, apparently:
Here we can quote some theory to substantiate the presence and action of the drug in dilutions and minute doses.

1) When atom gets split, tremendous energy is released. Rutherford was awarded with a Nobel prize for the break up of an atomic nucleus for converting it into energy
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FOOM!
 
Ririon said:
Question: If a homeopath was to manually make homeopathic "medicine" using bottles and his hands for shaking: HOW would he shake the bottles? What is the difference between plain old shaking a bottle and succussion?
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Hahnemann recommended tapping it on a leather-bound book.
 
Mojo said:
Hahnemann recommended tapping it on a leather-bound book.
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(Got the manual joke now.) Once? Many times? It doesn't seem like a lot of work. If you had to shake a one liter bottle for minutes for each dilution, a machine would make more sense.
 
Ririon said:
Question: If a homeopath was to manually make homeopathic "medicine" using bottles and his hands for shaking: HOW would he shake the bottles? What is the difference between plain old shaking a bottle and succussion?
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There is no physical difference between a vigorous shaking and succussion. The only difference appears to be in the context:

Are you preparing a homeopathic remedy? Then the process imprints a purified and amplified medicinal effect on the solvent.

Or, are you cleansing the vial for later reuse? Then the process removes all traces of whatever was earlier in the vial.

Hans
 
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