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George152 said:
And none of those people/countries let their involvement slip ?
You have serious problems
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Not to mention I can't understand why 75% of those listed would have had any benefit from the 9/11 attacks in the first place.
Just more proof of the untter insane Rabbit Hole that Conspiracy theories lead to.
 
ImANiceGuy said:
Sabrina, if you're expecting some miracle evidence to present itself, don't hold your breath, just go away from this thread.

Better yet, take a deep breath and try to remain objective in light of your overwhelming emotion...



Paraphrasing the entire Elitist sociological tradition, those who qualify (although each social scientist would have their own specific criteria) as global elites are, simply put, the highest of the economic elites who hold power and influence outside their specific economic forums. These individuals are able to influence public policy in many ways; and it's been extensively studied by many sociologists; think....how could someone with tremendous economic power bypass democratically defined spheres of influence? Now start thinking about all the summits and forums going on behind closed doors all over the world. Where did the term 'backroom deal' come from?

If you wanted to independently learn more about Elite Theory. I would start by studying the original works of CW Mills, John Porter's Verticle Mosaic, then Wallace Clement's excellent book, The Canadian Corporate Elite. (bit of a Canadian influence to this research lineup.....)

Anyway, certain individuals around the world qualify as Global Elites, rather than just elites, due to the rise in MNC's and the rapid pace of globalization. To deny this is just plain silly. Now if you have a specific question in regards to my definition of this group....pose away.
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And they have their headquarters in an extinct Volcano in Japan,and the Global Elite Chairman has a White Persian Cat as a pet.
 
Sabrina said:
Name names. Otherwise it's mere speculation with no hard evidence. That is not how we work here. And if you name those names, you'd better be prepared to back up your accusations against them with even more evidence.

Are certain people more powerful than others because they are wealthy? Certainly. But that doesn't mean the so-called "global elite" exist in the sense that you are intimating.
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Which sense of existence, of the Global Elite, am I intimating in your opinion?

Naming names: Henry Kissinger

In 2002, President George W. Bush appointed Kissinger to chair a committee to investigate the terrorist attacks of September 11 attacks.[citation needed] Kissinger stepped down as chairman on December 13, 2002 rather than reveal his client list, when queried about potential conflicts of interest. - Kissinger's Wiki page

The New York Times suggested the White House chose him "to contain an investigation it has long opposed."

President Bush named Kissinger to lead the 10-member commission last month, dropping his longstanding opposition to an independent probe of the events leading up to the September 11 terrorist attacks. So Bush is calling Kissinger independent of the gov't?

Almost laughable seeing as how (from Wiki) Kissinger was the "most frequent visitor" to the George W. Bush White House as an unofficial political adviser on Israel and the Middle East—including the Iraq War.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/13/kissinger.resigns/

Sorry no evidence, just speculation of evil-doings. Now if we could get a glance at Dr.Kissinger's client list, then we might have some evidence; which client's interests were of conflict?
 
ImANiceGuy said:
Well a conspiracy as grand as 9/11 requires a detailed and complex hypothesis; trying to explain it in brevity is near impossible.

If you'd like you can ask me specific questions regarding my 'vague hypothesis', and it will unravel and become clear with the respect for accuracy it deserves.
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The existence of a global elite is not news to anyone right? They exist, same as the silent majority exists....its been extensively studied in sociology. My theory is that only the highest ranking members, intent on geo-political engineering, were aware of all aspects of the conspiracy.
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You're the one that claims to have a hypothesis.

2 : a tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences
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It's your job to expand on the details so it can be compared to reality and shown to be right or wrong.
 
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BigAl said:
You're the one that claims to have a hypothesis.



It's your job to expand on the details so it can be compared to reality and shown to be right or wrong.
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I respect your position Al; the onus is on me to provide a hypothesis which fits with established evidence.

However, being such a complex conspiracy, I leave it in the debunkers hands(or fingers) to navigate the direction of the hypothesis' reveal through a questioning process...

I think it was Churchill who said " If you want me to talk for 4 hours, I can start now.....if you want a 5 minute speech, I'll need a couple days to prepare."
 
ImANiceGuy said:
I respect your position Al; the onus is on me to provide a hypothesis which fits with established evidence.

However, being such a complex conspiracy, I leave it in the debunkers hands(or fingers) to navigate the direction of the hypothesis' reveal through a questioning process...

I think it was Churchill who said " If you want me to talk for 4 hours, I can start now.....if you want a 5 minute speech, I'll need a couple days to prepare."
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I other words, you've got nothing.
 
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Remember to address the argument, not the arguer.
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ImANiceGuy said:
yes I am laughing dog....is it really that improbable to believe that the Arab highjackers were manipulated by external forces to commit the attacks for the benefit of the global elite?

Just keep believing everything they tell you......the government never lies......the air is safe to breath, no problem.....
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Seems to be a paranoid response with no evidence.

Who? And a very long list! lol
ImANiceGuy said:
Here's a few.....but do not make the false inference that all were explicitly involved in the 9/11 attacks. Just as it would be false to infer that every person involved with the 9/11 recovery/clean up efforts was also involved in the attacks.....

DUE Ackerman, Josef Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive
Committee, Deutsch Bank AG

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• TUE Turkey
• USA United States of America
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But there is a disclaimer which means...

ImANiceGuy said:
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Sorry no evidence, just speculation of evil-doings. ...
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No evidence, just an opinion based on nothing; just speculation.
...JUST ASKING...​
What formed your speculation?

...JUST ASKING...​
Why do you say no evidence and then make the mistake of implying you might get some if...

ImANiceGuy said:
... if we could get a glance at Dr.Kissinger's client list, then we might have some evidence; which client's interests were of conflict?
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Good luck finding your evidence.​
 
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ImANiceGuy said:
Well a conspiracy as grand as 9/11 requires a detailed and complex hypothesis; trying to explain it in brevity is near impossible.
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You remember what's 100% impossible?

My theory is that only the highest ranking members [of the "global elite"], intent on geo-political engineering, were aware of all aspects of the conspiracy.

Bush Sr., Kissinger, Rice, HW, Cheney, Blair, Rockefeller are a few examples. These people, and many more, manipulated all the right people below them in order to MIHOP.
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Impossibility is an absolute; something can't be more impossible, or really impossible. Still, the more people you involve the more impossible your "theory" becomes.
 
ImANiceGuy said:
Naming names: Henry Kissinger

In 2002, President George W. Bush appointed Kissinger to chair a committee to investigate the terrorist attacks of September 11 attacks.[citation needed]
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Emphasis mine.

ImANiceGuy, why is the first and only name you come up with not actually supported by evidence?

You pull an unsourced, un-cited claim from Wikpedia, as your first and best effort?

Since Kissinger was never actually appointed to anything having to do with 9/11, it doesn't really matter who his clients were, does it?
 
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theprestige said:
Emphasis mine.

ImANiceGuy, why is the first and only name you come up with not actually supported by evidence?

You pull an unsourced, un-cited claim from Wikpedia, as your first and best effort?

Since Kissinger was never actually appointed to anything having to do with 9/11, it doesn't really matter who his clients were, does it?
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Your opinion is hardly prestigious....I dont see many members jumping to your defense....
 
You can easily tell who is not full of it by thier willingness to provide real evidence. Look at this debate, for every post iamaniceguy posts on topic or with any information, he has about 3 or 4 that are just padding the thread in some way. People who know they are right in facts, do not try to put long rambling tirades, and snide remarks, they put thier evidence out there. Every time i see someone ask niceguy this, it is a dodge ( like comparing himself to winston churchhill, which beyond being egotistical is just a dodge. ), or some rambling list and a statement of " look it up!".

If you have the evidence, show the evidence in a clear and concise manner, we are sick of having to sift through mountains of garbage to get anything that is going to further the debate. Respect is earned not given niceguy , and at this point you have done nothing to earn it.
 
djlunacee said:
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/about/bios.htm

try again.
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Kissinger was originally appointed to head the 9/11 commission. Of that I'm certain. But he resigned before the first hearing was convened so it actually was a bit of both in that he was appointed to head it but he resigned the position before it started, to protect his clients confidentiality and speed the process of starting the hearings.

It's really a no starter because Kissinger, in reality, had no say in the hearings or their outcome.
 
Sam.I.Am said:
Kissinger was originally appointed to head the 9/11 commission. Of that I'm certain. But he resigned before the first hearing was convened so it actually was a bit of both in that he was appointed to head it but he resigned the position before it started, to protect his clients confidentiality and speed the process of starting the hearings.

It's really a no starter because Kissinger, in reality, had no say in the hearings or their outcome.
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Thanks Sam for the information.
 
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