Could WTC 7 have been pulled?

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

Its not my fault if there are irrational people on this forum who dig around for threads they can exploit for their CT ideas.

If WTC 7 was "pulled" somehow by the FDNY, inorder to protect rescue workers from further harm, that does not make it an "inside job". But so far the only evidence we have that the building was pulled is a misinterpreted Silverstein quote, and 3 attention whore auxiliary emergency personnel.

Why would they cover it up? They would have absolutely no logical reason to do so.

 

[MikeW]

So please show evindence then that the firemen were left in the buidling by thier chiefs (in an unsafe building) while they want to make the call to Silverstein.

NIST cite several FDNY interviews. It looks like they place a few firefighters in the building up to 2 pm, perhaps later than that. There were more surrounding the building who had to be "pulled back" after 3.

One Battalion Chief coming from the building indicated that they had searched floors 1 through 9 and found that the building was clear.390 In the process of the search, the Battalion Chief met the building’s Fire Safety Director and Deputy Fire Safety Director on the ninth floor. The Fire Safety Director reported that the building’s floors had been cleared from the top down. By this time, the Chief Officer responsible for WTC 7 reassessed the building again and determined that fires were burning on the following floors: 6, 7, 8, 17, 21, and 30.391 No accurate time is available for these actions during the WTC 7 operations; however, the sequence of event indicates that it occurred during a time period from 12:30 p.m. to approximately 2:00 p.m.

The Chief Officer then met with his command officer to discuss the building’s condition and FDNY’s capabilities for controlling the building fires. A Deputy Chief who had just returned from inside the building reported that he had conducted an inspection up to the 7th or 8th floor.392 He indicated that the stairway was filling with smoke and that there was a lot of fire inside the building. The chiefs discussed the situation and the following conditions were identified: 393, 394

• The building had sustained damage from debris falling into the building, and they were not sure about the structural stability of the building.

• The building had large fires burning on at least six floors. Any one of these six fires would have been considered a large incident during normal FDNY operations.

• There was no water immediately available for fighting the fires.

• They didn’t have equipment, hose, standpipe kits, tools, and enough handie talkies for conducting operations inside the building.

At approximately, 2:30 p.m., FDNY officers decided to completely abandon WTC 7, and the final order was given to evacuate the site around the building. 395, 396 The order terminated the ongoing rescue operations at WTC 6 and on the rubble pile of WTC 1. Firefighters and other emergency responders were withdrawn from the WTC 7 area, and the building continued to burn. At approximately 5:20 p.m., some three hours after WTC 7 was abandoned the building experienced a catastrophic failure and collapsed.

390 FDNY Interview 26, winter 2004.
391 FDNY Interview 3, winter 2004.
392 FDNY interview 14, winter 2004.
393 FDNY Interview 3, winter 2004.
394 FDNY Interview 14, winter 2004.
395 FDNY Interview 3, winter 2004.
396 FDNY interview 14, winter 2004.

The Emergency Response Operations
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http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-81.pdf

 

[doobiedoright]

i think yes. That is way i several times already said, a CD of WTC7 must not mean a sinister dark conspiracy. more like some prefered a controlled collapse above an expected uncontrolled collapse.
im not sure why they would keep it secret, you gave a reason i didnt thought of , CT's. I was more thinking about the insurance, while the insurance actually should be happy becuase with that CD if it was one, other damage was prevented.
I think this is alot more plausible than the shredder motive.

You really believe someone was dumb enough to run into a building on fire with a bunch of explosives on his back?
Then run around looking for the best spot to place them,attach det cord and roll said cord out of the building.
Come on man think!

 

[njslim]

Unlike the twofers I happen to know many firefighter working nearby WTC 7 - they were
from a neighboring city and across the street in the World Financial Cnter 3 building.

I was in my firehouse listening to radio transmissions from WTC - heard the order being
passed down to clear collapse zone around WTC 7. This was at 3PM

None of my friends saw the building being rigged for demolition by ANYBODY! Also
where would the FDNY get the explosives? Demolition by explosives is illegal in
Manhattan - that is why buildings are dismantled from top down.

Getting sick of listening to retards spouting nonsense about things they know nothing
about....

 

[johnny karate]

Sorry no conspiracy. The only motive behind bringing down building 7 was to save lives and keep it from causing more damage and spreading fires as Chief Hayden was worried about.

You do know the fire commander has the authority to bring down buildings in emergencies right?

If the FDNY brought down WTC7, they have repeatedly lied about it. This constitutes a conspiracy, and implicates them in the larger conspiracy Truthers claim took place that day.

So what do you think were the motives of the FDNY for participating in a cover-up regarding the events of 9/11? Greed, cowardice, or being evil?

 

[doobiedoright]

Unlike the twofers I happen to know many firefighter working nearby WTC 7 - they were
from a neighboring city and across the street in the World Financial Cnter 3 building.

I was in my firehouse listening to radio transmissions from WTC - heard the order being
passed down to clear collapse zone around WTC 7. This was at 3PM

None of my friends saw the building being rigged for demolition by ANYBODY! Also
where would the FDNY get the explosives? Demolition by explosives is illegal in
Manhattan - that is why buildings are dismantled from top down.

Getting sick of listening to retards spouting nonsense about things they know nothing
about....

Wow someone just got OWNED!

 

[ULTIMA1]

So, let me get this straight: you have personally spoken to people on the scene who witnessed the FDNY demolish the building, and none of these people have come forward?

I have e-mailed companies that were at ground zero to find the truth.

Why don't you e-mail FDNY to find the truth.

 

[ULTIMA1]

NIST cite several FDNY interviews. It looks like they place a few firefighters in the building up to 2 pm, perhaps later than that. There were more surrounding the building who had to be "pulled back" after 3.

Yes, and the call was made shortly before the building came down at 5. So that means the firemen were out of the building at the time of the call.

 

[MikeW]

Yes, and the call was made shortly before the building came down at 5.

Really? I hope you've something definitive to prove that beyond inferring it from Silverstein's statement.

 

[ULTIMA1]

You really believe someone was dumb enough to run into a building on fire with a bunch of explosives on his back?

Well since there was no fire on the lower floors it could be done.

I mean the EPA recovered all the fuel from the ground floor tanks.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Really? I hope you've something definitive to prove that beyond inferring it from Silverstein's statement.

Are you saying Silverstien is a liar and his statment cannot be trusted?

I mean he basilcally stated. The fire commander decided to PULL IT and we watched the building collapse.

 

[MikeW]

Are you saying Silverstien is a liar and his statment cannot be trusted?

I mean he basilcally stated. The fire commander decided to PULL IT and we watched the building collapse.

And you believe that's definitive enough to say the call was shortly before the building collapsed? How like a truther. Flimsy inferences like that are treated as proof positive, while no evidence presented against your arguments is ever enough. I think I'll leave others to waste their time with you - I'm out.

 

[johnny karate]

Are you saying Silverstien is a liar and his statment cannot be trusted?

I mean he basilcally stated. The fire commander decided to PULL IT and we watched the building collapse.

You have already established the FDNY are liars. Is it that much of a leap to believe that Silverstein was in collusion with these liars and is liar himself?

 

[beachnut]

Are you saying Silverstien is a liar and his statment cannot be trusted?

I mean he basilcally stated. The fire commander decided to PULL IT and we watched the building collapse.

This proves it, you are fact less, evidence free 9/11 truth expert. He meant firefighting efforts, to say otherwise expose you as the worst NSA analyst ever, pure 48 hours and 60 minute stuff, but alas, they will find out the your real job and there will be no story.

This pull it stuff was refuted long ago. You are new to this?
Refuted a long time ago. 7 years, no progress

At approximately, 2:30 p.m., FDNY officers decided to completely abandon WTC 7, and the final order was given to evacuate the site around the building. 395, 396 The order terminated the ongoing rescue operations at WTC 6 and on the rubble pile of WTC 1. Firefighters and other emergency responders were withdrawn from the WTC 7 area, and the building continued to burn. At approximately 5:20 p.m., some three hours after WTC 7 was abandoned the building experienced a catastrophic failure and collapsed.

The truth is fire caused the collapse, to say otherwise is pure fantasy based on your own ignorance of fire, physics and language arts.

 

[ULTIMA1]

He meant firefighting efforts, to say otherwise expose you as the worst NSA analyst ever, pure 48 hours and 60 minute stuff, but alas,

Well its just to bad i have the statments from 2 fire chiefs that the firemen were out of the buidling early in the day. You really should do some real researach.

You have failed again to post evidence from a source to debate the evidence i have posted.

WHY IS THAT?

 

[beachnut]

Well its just to bad i have the statments from 2 fire chiefs that the firemen were out of the buidling early in the day. You really should do some real researach.

You have failed again to post evidence from a source to debate the evidence i have posted.

WHY IS THAT?

At approximately, 2:30 p.m., FDNY officers decided to completely abandon WTC 7, and the final order was given to evacuate the site around the building. 395, 396 The order terminated the ongoing rescue operations at WTC 6 and on the rubble pile of WTC 1. Firefighters and other emergency responders were withdrawn from the WTC 7 area, and the building continued to burn. At approximately 5:20 p.m., some three hours after WTC 7 was abandoned the building experienced a catastrophic failure and collapsed.

When did Larry say pull it? How many seconds, minutes, hours, days, months after 9/11.

Pull it - you are so funny. debunked years ago, you need to work on and understand what people say. They pulled the firefighting efforts from WTC7, no one placed explosives in the building; you lost this one, you lost the 93 shoot down, you lost the Al plane can't damage core columns in the WTC. You are doing good don't stop exposing your lack of knowledge and sound judgment leading to your failed conclusions.

Too bad you have zero sounds of explosives. How long have you been spreading false ideas on 9/11? Does the NSA know?

 

[johnny karate]

Well its just to bad i have the statments from 2 fire chiefs that the firemen were out of the buidling early in the day. You really should do some real researach.

You have already established the FDNY are liars. How do you know these two fire chiefs weren't lying in the statements you referenced?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Are you saying Silverstien is a liar and his statment cannot be trusted?

Mr. Silverstein never indicated the time this conversation took place.

I mean he basilcally stated. The fire commander decided to PULL IT and we watched the building collapse.

There's no indication in his statement of the time that passed between those events. You seem to be implying that rigging a building to be pulled down with cables is relatively quick activity.

How long do you estimate such a task takes?

 

[ULTIMA1]

You seem to be implying that rigging a building to be pulled down with cables is relatively quick activity.

You guys really should learn how to read, or make sure you know what a post states before responding, makes you look really childish.

I never stated building 7 was wired with cables.

 

[johnny karate]

You guys really should learn how to read, or make sure you know what a post states before responding, makes you look really childish.

I never stated building 7 was wired with cables.

Then please tell us how you believe the FDNY brought down WTC7, and better yet, explain why they have been consistently lying about it for seven years.