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[McHrozni]

Who slipped? How fake report on ‘Russian soldier deaths’ in Ukraine set media on fire

Damage control!! Quickly, it was the evil Ukrainian hackers!!

Yes, surely, Ukrainian hackers are so great they knew in advance which obscure Russian media outlet will publish an obscure and uninteresting report, and fixed it in advance. We must also remind you that we were able to alledge western fakery in the past.

McHrozni

 

[Childlike Empress]

Damage control!! Quickly, it was the evil Ukrainian hackers!!

Yes, surely, Ukrainian hackers are so great they knew in advance which obscure Russian media outlet will publish an obscure and uninteresting report, and fixed it in advance. We must also remind you that we were able to alledge western fakery in the past.

McHrozni

You aren't good with these internet things, are you? The section in question has been sitting on that fake website (look at the entries on the homepage) since March, it's not new (and "soon" deleted) like the Ukrainian blogger made it seem, and it hasn't been "added in a hack" like the (maybe same) guy allegedly told RT.

Contrary to google cache (linked by Ukrainain blogger, where it now carries a version from August 26 without the section), the Internet Archive creates permanent caches. It has exactly five versions of that website in a pattern that shows that someone archived it manually. One from March 15, two from August 22 (those three with the section) and two from August 24 (five minutes from each other, both without the section). The deletion happened between late August 22 and very early August 24 (UTC), several hours before that blog went online.

Somebody was so nice and documented the process for us. I'll leave it to your imagination to find a reason for that.

 

[carlitos]

RT is reliable. Always trust content from RT.

 

[Childlike Empress]

A screenshot of a google cache made by a Ukrainian blogger who was faster than the evil censors catching a Russian lifestyle blog spilling top secret information? I'd wait for the Guardian article to take that as "official" if I were you.

Sorry, jimbob, guess it won't happen. From the debunk Shaun Walker recommends:

[...] We are in the middle of an information war, and spreading fakes is a huge boon to our enemy, the Kremlin, as it demonstrates the media's incompetence. Which is why, if you come across sensational information, don't start publicizing it right away . First, try to consult an investigation team working on the war in Donbas. Our team is ready to consult the media on such issues for free. Write to my telegram account @leviev or to our email [email protected]

We encourage sharing this post, as several top-tier media and opinion leaders keep spreading the fake message from bs-life.ru.

Update: here’s Russia Today mocking everyone who bought into the fake. Interestingly enough, in the RT story “Anatoly Kravchenko” does not boast of Government sources but claims his website was hacked from a Kiev IP. Whoever this person is, he has problems with keeping a story straight.

“Anatoly Kravchenko” is the name of an activist that is a buddy of Ruslan Leviev, which the perp used as pseudonym. The article also points out how the website makes money: It's phishing for phone numbers in that fake chat app bottom right. Wondered what that was about.

To be fair, RT Deutsch has a quite silly piece believing the info that "Anatoly Kravchenko" told RT and ignoring what the archive.org data shows, unlike RT International.

 

[Toontown]

Seems to be a trend lately wherever freedumb and demoncrazy come to town.

Very true, mine Fuhrer. Or is it Fuhreress?

 

[caveman1917]

Very true, mine Fuhrer. Or is it Fuhreress?

Funny how it's always the people explicitly supporting neo-Nazi terrorist groups who then hypocritically try to pull a Godwin as if that would help hide their affiliation.

 

[Toontown]

Funny how it's always the people explicitly supporting neo-Nazi terrorist groups who then hypocritically try to pull a Godwin as if that would help hide their affiliation.

Very true, Herr propaganda minister.

 

[caveman1917]

In other news, "Right Sector” destroyed a memorial plaque for murdered journalist Oles Buzina and replaced it with one honoring his killers.

whatever it takes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmytro_Yarosh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists

Dmytro Yarosh (Ukrainian: Дмитро Ярош; born 30 September 1971)[3] is a Ukrainian activist and politician. He is the leader of the far-right Right Sector organization.[4][5]
{...}
Yarosh calls himself a follower of Stepan Bandera.[19]

In the subsection of "Minority Policy" the OUN-B{andera} ordered: "Moskali {=slang for Russians}, Poles, and Jews that are hostile to us must be exterminated in this struggle, especially those who would resist our regime: deport them to their own lands, importantly: destroy their intelligentsia that may be in the positions of power ... Jews must be isolated, removed from governmental positions in order to prevent sabotage, those who are deemed necessary may only work with an overseer... Jewish assimilation is not possible."

{...}

In late 1942, Bandera's organization, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, was involved in a campaign of ethnic cleansing of Volhynia, and in early 1944, these campaigns began to include Eastern Galicia. It is estimated that about 100,000[46] Poles, mostly women and children along with unarmed men, were killed during the spring and summer campaign of 1943 in Volhynia[47] by the OUN-Bandera which bears primary responsibility for the massacres.

OUN's "Ten Commandments" stated: "Aspire to expand the strength, riches, and size of the Ukrainian State even by means of enslaving foreigners."

{...}

The more moderate leaders living in exile admired some facets of Benito Mussolini's fascism but condemned Nazism while the younger more radical members based within Ukraine admired the fascist ideas and methods as practiced by the Nazis.[20] The faction based abroad supported rapprochement with the Ukrainian Catholic Church while the younger radicals were anti-clerical and felt that not considering the Nation to be the Absolute was a sign of weakness.[21]

The two factions of the OUN each had their own understanding of the nature of the leader. The Melnyk faction considered the leader to be the director of the Provid and in its writings emphasized a military subordination to the hierarchical superiors of the Provid. It was more autocratic than totalitarian. The Bandera faction, in contrast, emphasized complete submission to the will of the supreme leader.

 

[caveman1917]

And so on and so forth. bs-life, swallowed by self-proclaimed "skeptics" time and time and time again...

They'll swallow anything. I wonder if you could get them to actually wave swastika flags for "freedom and democracy" if you package it right. You probably could.

 

[magellan]

They'll swallow anything. I wonder if you could get them to actually wave swastika flags for "freedom and democracy" if you package it right. You probably could.

Remember the glowing piece the couragous women of the azov batalliion got in the guardian? Complete with posing in front of nazi slogans?

Other things that Paul Gregory of forbes swallowed:
There is a slow motion putsch in the works against putin
Russia plans to detonate a dirty bomb in the donbass and blame ukraine

From what I can tell the german speaking press didn't swallow the 2000 dead thing. Only mention I found was in the Kurier, a bigger austrian one, which is virtually meaningless.

Anyway in the comment section there one poster had this gem to share, which I would like to carry here:

Unbestätigten Berichten zufolge, schnitzt Putin in seiner Freizeit aus den Knochen seiner Feine kleine Skulpturen...

...Seriöser sind jedoch die Hinweise, dass die Sitze seines Autos mit der Haut seiner Feinde bespannt sind

Roughly: Accounts of Putin whittling figurines out of the bones of his enemies are unconfirmed. There are however hints that the seats of his car are covered with his enemies skins.

 

[WildCat]

The correlation of Putin apologists and 9/11 conspiracy theorists is close to 100%.

Hmmm...

 

[magellan]

truther, neonazi, usefull idiot, trying to be the cool contrarian anti-imperialist, st. petersburg troll.

Your insults surely hit close to my heart!
They don't at all sound like spray and pray or in some cases projection.
They are clearly well reasoned, and grounded in my postings.
Every single one of them drives me an inch closer to supporting nato membership for austria.

Please, please, please continue! I am almost there!

Anybody want to talk about the dirty bomb russia without a doubt plans to detonate in the donbass? How about putin forcing ukraine to declare gerard depardieu an enemy of the state?

 

[McHrozni]

Contrary to google cache (linked by Ukrainain blogger, where it now carries a version from August 26 without the section), the Internet Archive creates permanent caches. It has exactly five versions of that website in a pattern that shows that someone archived it manually. One from March 15, two from August 22 (those three with the section) and two from August 24 (five minutes from each other, both without the section). The deletion happened between late August 22 and very early August 24 (UTC), several hours before that blog went online.

Yeah. But the 2000 dead and 3200 maimed line appears in all version prior to the last one. Unless the sneaky Ukrainian hackers found a way to distort the web archive the report is pretty damming evidence, Russian censorship efforts nonwithstanding. We now know for sure the blog report is indeed accurate - thank you for providing us with evidence of that.

McHrozni

 

[Childlike Empress]

Yeah. But the 2000 dead and 3200 maimed line appears in all version prior to the last one. Unless the sneaky Ukrainian hackers found a way to distort the web archive the report is pretty damming evidence, Russian censorship efforts nonwithstanding. We now know for sure the blog report is indeed accurate - thank you for providing us with evidence of that.

McHrozni

Keep pretending, Mc.

 

[catsmate]

Very true, mine Fuhrer. Or is it Fuhreress?

Führerin.

Keep pretending, Mc.

Keep denying reality and parroting propaganda CE.

 

[Belz...]

The correlation of Putin apologists and 9/11 conspiracy theorists is close to 100%.

Hmmm...

Well, CTers need a CT to keep going, so...

 

[Childlike Empress]

Keep denying reality and parroting propaganda CE.

Oh, on this one I'm in pretty "good" company with all kinds of "western" journalists and even Russian activists and the guys from Interpreter rag. It's actually more than obvious and everyone who pretends otherwise does play in the hands of "Putler" because, as the activist put it, "it demonstrates the media's incompetence." Or the lack of care of the parrots for their credibility.

But you don't even know what was discussed - you just know who the good guys are, right?

 

[Childlike Empress]

truther, neonazi, usefull idiot, trying to be the cool contrarian anti-imperialist, st. petersburg troll.

Your insults surely hit close to my heart!
They don't at all sound like spray and pray or in some cases projection.
They are clearly well reasoned, and grounded in my postings.
Every single one of them drives me an inch closer to supporting nato membership for austria.

Please, please, please continue! I am almost there!

It's utter helplessness on display (or hidden if you choose, gets old pretty quickly).

 

[Childlike Empress]

After Merkel and Hollande made it clear again to poor Porky that Minsk 2 is the deal, parliament voted on an according law and now the Nazis in- and outside it go on a rampage once again.

France24: Ukraine: Dozens injured, one killed in blast outside Kiev parliament building

 

[caveman1917]

But you don't even know what was discussed - you just know who the good guys are, right?

Of course they don't know what was discussed. McHrozni has been caught blatantly lying again and again in this thread, just like now where he says the line was in those versions even though anyone can simply check for themselves that it isn't. They live in some sort of fantasy world, it's mostly just pathetic.