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carlitos said:
While I appreciate a tortured metaphor as much as the next guy, it's notable that the only state ever really governed by the retrograde absolutist dullards banned music altogether.
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Y tanto! Stick around for more, there's sure to be tortured metaphors, submissive similes and ironys in irons.

(Ew! Now I grossed myself out. Sheesh.)
 
As the Irish say, no but

timhau said:
...with Russian missiles fired from rebel territory. Man, those CIA guys are sneaky. Crafty, too.
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A large part of the world's peoples really and truly believe that the CIA can do anything, and that Langley is behind just about everything that happens. You can see that belief fictionalized, excuse me, pandered to in any number of thriller movies/novels/TV/comic books -- bleah! Pop culture, man, you can't fight it.

So the Russians will get good value out of that particular whopper. CE will be here soon to prove that I'm right.
 
LOL
When it comes to faking and propaganda they sure asked an expert!
"It really doesn’t make any sense,” Eliot Higgins, the founder of Bellingcat, an open source investigative journalism network, told Foreign Policy.
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You guys know that bellingcat proved the moonlandings were fake with their error level analysis?



But sure: Russian tabloid story = official position of russian government.
 
magellan said:
You guys know that bellingcat proved the moonlandings were fake with their error level analysis?
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Source?

But sure: Russian tabloid story = official position of russian government.
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That's why they always say "the Russians" rather than specify. It also helps with the ethnic and nationalist thinking behind it. It's a bit like saying "the Americans" claim aliens did it and pointing to a History Channel episode.
 
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Interesting read at Harper's magazine. Russia Insider reprinted it under the headline "Ukraine Oligarch Steals $1.8 Billion From US. US Pretends It Didn't Happen", which is only a slight simplification.

Andrew Cockburn said:
[...] The international financial agency had rushed the money to Ukraine in April [2014], in response to what IMF managing director Christine Lagarde called a “major crisis.” She went on to hail the government’s “unprecedented resolve” in developing a “bold economic program to secure macroeconomic and financial stability.” Over the next five months the international agency poured the equivalent of $4.51 billion ($2.97 billion in “Special Drawing Rights”—the IMF’s own currency) into the National Bank of Ukraine— the country’s central bank. Much of this money was urgently needed to prop up the local commercial banks. In theory, the IMF appeared to require direct supervision of how the Ukrainian banks used the aid. In fact, it appears the banks got to select their own auditors.

As the largest bank, Kolomoisky’s PrivatBank stood to garner the largest share of the international aid. Published estimates put this share as high as 40 percent. Despite the torrent of cash, the banks’ situation did not improve; nine months into the program, the IMF announced: “As of end January 2015 . . . the banking system’s capital adequacy ratio stood at 13.8 percent, down from 15.9 percent at end-June.” Where had the money gone? [...]
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Some of the Guardian's latest coverage and comment.

Woman who sued pro-Putin Russian 'troll factory' gets one rouble in damages
A Russian court has ordered a secretive pro-Putin “propaganda factory” to pay symbolic damages to an employee who sued them in a bid to expose the workings of the Kremlin’s online trolls.


The Agency for Internet Studies, which hired people to write pro-Kremlin propaganda from a nondescript St Petersburg address, was sued by ex-employee Lyudmila Savchuk for alleged non-payment of wages and for failing to give workers proper contracts.
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“I am very happy with this victory. I achieved my aim, which was to bring the internet trolls out of the shade,” said Savchuk, 34.

For a monthly salary of 40,000 to 50,000 roubles (£490/US$750), Savchuk and other employees bombarded website comment pages with praise for Vladimir Putin.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/19/vladimir-putin-bond-villain-russia-submarine

How can modern politics be shaped by such long-ago events? Putin’s annexation of Crimea is a fait accompli, which Nato and the EU can do nothing about. It’s a fact. But he is still proving Russian’s ancient right to this territory, claiming once more as he descends in his submarine that it is not just Russian but the very heart of Russia – pursuing a national identity rooted in the medieval deeds of Viking traders and Byzantine merchants. And it goes down a bomb with his patriotic public.

Laughable? But we have been here before. Putin in his sub is not just diving into the dark ages. He is diving to a far scarier time: the early 20th century. In the 1920s and 30s nationalist leaders founded their claims, just as he does now, on ancient rights and mythic national identities. Historical Germanic claims to places from Alsace to the territories conquered by the medieval Teutonic knights were revived by the National Socialist party. That propaganda played well at home too, while Hitler was often mocked abroad. If the recent revelation of royal sieg heiling is a reminder of anything it is that people failed to take extreme nationalism seriously enough before 1939. Mr Hitler was seen as a bit funny, prancing around in his Charlie Chaplin moustache. His antics were mocked as ruritanian silliness in central Europe.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/20/russia-ukraine-pilot-savchenko

Ukrainian pilot Nadiya Savchenko was captured by separatists in the east of the country in June last year. The Moscow-backed militia battalion Zarya handed her over to Russian special services, to use her as a propaganda tool against the new government in Kiev.

Savchenko will appear in court this week for a preliminary hearing on fabricated charges of killing two journalists, Anton Voloshin and Igor Korneliuk, from Russian state television. Yet the pair died from artillery shelling two hours after Savchenko’s capture.

For a year, a Russian investigative team did its best to prove that Savchenko had helped those who shot the journalists by phoning in their location. However their arguments crumbled after her mobile phone records revealed that she was not in the same place as the journalists at the time - she had in fact been captured two hours earlier.
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Russian military accidentally revealed it's casualties in Ukraine up to 1. February 2015: 2000 dead, 3200 maimed.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrod...elease-of-russian-casualties-in-east-ukraine/

That's how many payments they made to families of those died in the war in Ukraine. The number excludes mercenaries and actual volunteers. The number is also before costly battles for Debeltseve and Donetsk airport.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
Russian military accidentally revealed it's casualties in Ukraine up to 1. February 2015: 2000 dead, 3200 maimed.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrod...elease-of-russian-casualties-in-east-ukraine/

That's how many payments they made to families of those died in the war in Ukraine. The number excludes mercenaries and actual volunteers. The number is also before costly battles for Debeltseve and Donetsk airport.

McHrozni
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Thanks for that, as close to an official acknowledgement as we are likely to get.

It also fits in with what else we know.
 
jimbob said:
Thanks for that, as close to an official acknowledgement as we are likely to get.

It also fits in with what else we know.
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A screenshot of a google cache made by a Ukrainian blogger who was faster than the evil censors catching a Russian lifestyle blog spilling top secret information? I'd wait for the Guardian article to take that as "official" if I were you. ;)
 
Childlike Empress said:
In other news, "Right Sector” destroyed a memorial plaque for murdered journalist Oles Buzina and replaced it with one honoring his killers. In Kiev. In broad daylight. With media attending.
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Not that I believe a word of that or even bothered to look at it, or or have the least bit of interest in it even if it's true...

...but whatever it takes to make you and Russia understand that Ukraine does not want to belong to Russia. Been there, done that. Didn't like it. Won't like the rerun either.

Get it?
 
Note the original issue that got this thread started.

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I suppose they wish that strikes were their problem now.
 
Childlike Empress said:
A screenshot of a google cache made by a Ukrainian blogger who was faster than the evil censors catching a Russian lifestyle blog spilling top secret information? I'd wait for the Guardian article to take that as "official" if I were you. ;)
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Who slipped? How fake report on ‘Russian soldier deaths’ in Ukraine set media on fire

RT said:
[...] The publication sparked a Twitter storm with some western journalists, researchers, analysts and think-tanks giving their full trust to the source.

However, at a certain point the media storm came to a halt. Bloomberg’s Leonid Bershidsky concluded that the initial Delovaya Zhizn report was fake, questioning the URL, Bs-life.ru, and exposing a grammatical error (“v Ukraine” instead of “na Ukraine”).

AP journalist Nataliya Vasilyeva pointed out the ease of spreading fake information on the web.

“The ease of spreading rumors in the digital world is astonishing,” she wrote.

“Two days of Western officials retweeting a Forbes report quoting a Ukrainian web-site quoting a non-existent Russia news web-site re Ukraine,” she added.

“The main problem here is, of course, where was the Forbes online editor when the story was published, why nobody bothered to check sources?” [...]
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And so on and so forth. bs-life, swallowed by self-proclaimed "skeptics" time and time and time again... :rolleyes:
 
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