Continuation The Electric Comet Theory Boogaloo (Part 2)

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Yes, jonesdave, but don't forget the accusations of fraud and conspiracy, like above, when the measurements contradict their pseudoscience. That's when their JAQing off schtick becomes a lot less amusing to me.

Indeed. This was missed by me earlier on. Wondered how long it would be without any evidence to back up the fantasy, before somebody started calling "cover up" or "conspiracy". Now we see it.
"Mummy, the boy at school told me Santa Claus isn't real."
Deal with it.
 
Sorry, Jonesdave116 but your story is becoming more and more untenable as witnessed by the change in language used in the PR's!

Plasma is getting more and more of a mention like it's important or something! :D

Why should anyone care about the changes of language in press releases?
 
Someone ask to see the JETS ... ;)

Comet's Firework Display Ahead Of Perihelion
“This is the brightest jet we’ve seen so far,” comments Carsten Güttler, OSIRIS team member at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Göttingen, Germany.

“Usually, the jets are quite faint compared to the nucleus and we need to stretch the contrast of the images to make them visible – but this one is brighter than the nucleus.”

More pictures HERE and HERE
 
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naturally thete is an "interface" of the outflowing mix of neutral gas, ions, electrons and dust with the inflowing solar wind magnetoplasma, which is quite big as the neutral gas is not impeded by the magnetic field. at this interface there are many interactions taking place. ion-neutral charge exchange is an important one, but also some chemistry, electron cooling by exciting rotational and vibrational states of neutral molecules, just regular ion-neutral collisions. these all transfer momentum of the solar wind to the outflow of the comet.

when there are enough of these phenomena then it is possible that the solar wind gets stopped, and thus the magnetic field of the solar wind cannot reach the nucleus. and as we know that the comet itself is non-magnetized, a magnetic field free region is created around the nucleus, the diamagnetic cavity.

on the interface so many prosesses are taking place, that the creation of a steady double is rather unlikely, especially in these cases just presented, because you can see that the boundary must move, as the cavity only lasts for about 20 min, in which rosetta hardly moves.


Thank you, Tusenfem.
 
What he said.

Something else you might ponder, Sol, is that electric discharges create a magnetic field. Fleetingly, but extremely powerfully. I don't see anything in the data to suggest a massive outburst of electrical activity. Just at the time that Tus and his mates were looking for it. In fact, dear boy, what one sees is a massive DROP in the magnetic field at the time of the jet eruption. So we can rule out any electrical woo as the cause of this jet. At least we can if we actually understand science.
As for the diamagnetic cavity; why would there be one? Thornhill, and his equally uneducated sidekick, tell us that the comet is some sort of anode, or is it cathode, to the non-existent electric Sun. So how the hell would a non-magnetised region develop? Surely your idiotic idea calls for the surface of the comet to be receiving some sort of current from (who the ---- knows where). So where is it? Pretty much every damn electric current ever measured, anywhere, anytime, produces a magnetic field. How come the inner reaches of Halley, and, indeed, this comet, are shown to be magnetic field free? Where is your current, and why can't we see it?
I'll save you the bother of answering; there isn't one. Dead in the water. Which is where you started 6? years ago.
Once again, for the sake of the lurkers, you don't have a hypothesis. You don't have a clue.
It's faith based garbage, with no evidence to back it up.

So galactic magnetic fields are created and sustained by electric currents, you say? Ummm that's the electric universe in a nutshell there 'ol mate! :rolleyes:
 
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Indeed. This was missed by me earlier on. Wondered how long it would be without any evidence to back up the fantasy, before somebody started calling "cover up" or "conspiracy". Now we see it.
"Mummy, the boy at school told me Santa Claus isn't real."
Deal with it.

of corse he is! You see him everywhere at xmas time. Shopping centres, street corners, TV....etc :)

Like dark energy/matter, YOU prove to me he is not real!

rhetorical question and off topic, so don't bother answering
 
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What he said.

Something else you might ponder, Sol, is that electric discharges create a magnetic field. Fleetingly, but extremely powerfully. I don't see anything in the data to suggest a massive outburst of electrical activity. Just at the time that Tus and his mates were looking for it. In fact, dear boy, what one sees is a massive DROP in the magnetic field at the time of the jet eruption. So we can rule out any electrical woo as the cause of this jet. At least we can if we actually understand science.
As for the diamagnetic cavity; why would there be one? Thornhill, and his equally uneducated sidekick, tell us that the comet is some sort of anode, or is it cathode, to the non-existent electric Sun. So how the hell would a non-magnetised region develop? Surely your idiotic idea calls for the surface of the comet to be receiving some sort of current from (who the ---- knows where). So where is it? Pretty much every damn electric current ever measured, anywhere, anytime, produces a magnetic field. How come the inner reaches of Halley, and, indeed, this comet, are shown to be magnetic field free? Where is your current, and why can't we see it?
I'll save you the bother of answering; there isn't one. Dead in the water. Which is where you started 6? years ago.
Once again, for the sake of the lurkers, you don't have a hypothesis. You don't have a clue.
It's faith based garbage, with no evidence to back it up.

Ohhh, i'm sorry you have the data. Didn't realise! :o
Do you have the full plot? If so can you share with us?
 
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@Tusenfem

Are you able to tell us what a
pressure-balance boundary
is?

The decrease in magnetic field strength measured by Rosetta’s RPC-MAG instrument during the outburst event on 29 July 2015. This is the first time a ‘diamagnetic cavity’ has been detected at Comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko and is thought to be caused by an outburst of gas temporarily increasing the gas flux in the comet’s coma, and pushing the pressure-balance boundary between it and incoming solar wind farther from the nucleus than expected under ‘normal’ levels of activity.
Credits: ESA/Rosetta/RPC/IGEP/IC

LINK

Never heard that before
 
So galactic magnetic fields are created and sustained by electric currents, you say? Ummm that's the electric universe in a nutshell there 'ol mate! :rolleyes:

Ah, I see your problem. It's reading comprehension.
While jonesdave112 did indeed say that electric currents create magnetic fields, he then followed it up by explaining that neither the currents, nor the fields predicted by the EC theory are actually detected in any comet.
You seem to have not read that part. Or any of the many many times that was explained to you.

You are right in that galactic currents with galactic magnetic fields are the EU theory, the problem is that all experiments ever done with electricity (the ones your computer and stuff is based on), claim such fields and currents simply cannot exist.
Nor have we ever measured anything even remotely close to such currents.
Nor do we have any evidence that our current understanding of electromagnetics is so flawed we have a measurement error of a factor billion or so.

What I also still wonder about is why you and Haig and all the other EU proponents keep visiting messenger boards. After all, if you are right, humanity is missing out on a limitless, clean easily tappable free powersource. Enough to solve all the worlds energy problems AND make the inventor obscenely rich. Should you not focus your efforts on tapping the power you claim humanity has missed?
 
What I also still wonder about is why you and Haig and all the other EU proponents keep visiting messenger boards. After all, if you are right, humanity is missing out on a limitless, clean easily tappable free powersource. Enough to solve all the worlds energy problems AND make the inventor obscenely rich. Should you not focus your efforts on tapping the power you claim humanity has missed?


Ooh, careful now! Remember that whole anode vs cathode controversy? If these geniuses hook up the jumper cables backwards they're liable to short out the sun! :)
 
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Ohhh, i'm sorry you have the data. Didn't realise! :o
Do you have the full plot? If so can you share with us?

Doing the village idiot thing again Sol? Read what the nutter Thornhill has to say about comets. If I've got it wrong, then I apologise.
Basically, he and his fellow planks have told us that the Sun is electric. Am I right so far? Secondly, that comets (but not asteroids, as evidenced) charge up as they move closer to the Sun in their elliptical orbits (even though, as mentioned, this doesn't happen to asteroids in elliptical orbits). Somehow, they disguise the force of gravity, and start displaying a gravitational field that is way off from what it should be for a lump of rock. Right so far? Having managed all this, they then outgas shed loads of H2O due to some sort of non-observed or detected electric gubbins? Got that bit right? Or is it due to an umpteen fold increase in magnitude of the solar wind? Again, unobserved and undetected.
Having done all that, we somehow have a magnetic field free zone, very close to the comet, just as we had 29 years ago at Halley, (when this crap should have died), but somehow the electric current (unobserved and undetected) from the electric Sun (proof = zero) is still getting to the comet, without creating a magnetic field. The first one in history.
Give it up mate, you're talking garbage, as everybody on here has known for a long time. Take a few years out and get an education. Preferably in science. At least insofar as it relates to comets.
 
So galactic magnetic fields are created and sustained by electric currents, you say? Ummm that's the electric universe in a nutshell there 'ol mate! :rolleyes:

No, the Electric Universe claim is that the galactic magnetic field is caused by an external current. Or maybe you think that the view of mainstream astronomy is that the galactic magnetic field is caused by ferromagnetism?
 
@Tusenfem

Are you able to tell us what a is?



LINK

Never heard that before[/QUOTE]

Why would you? Your scientific knowledge is negligible. Particularly where it relates to comets.

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Like to sum up the evidence for the rocky electric comet for us at this stage? Shouldn't take long. Get on with it.
 
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@Tusenfem & Jonesdave116

Jonesdave116 said
but somehow the electric current (unobserved and undetected)

LINK @14:25

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RPC principal investigator Karl-Heinz Glaßmeier, your Boss Tusenfem?

What is he saying? Or are you gagged?

Wondered why you've been so cagey :)

Your just bust'n to let rip but eh?
 
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Why would you? Your scientific knowledge is negligible. Particularly where it relates to comets.

ETA:

Like to sum up the evidence for the rocky electric comet for us at this stage? Shouldn't take long. Get on with it.

Let's start with the 100 Ampere current shall we? :D

Sounds an awful lot like a conductor moving thru a magnetic field!

We did it in an experiment like that on the STS-75 (video) mission, why we never did it again surprises me!
 
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