Chemical Engineer Mark Basile confirms Harrit nano-thermite results

[beachnut]

Dr. Jones and his associates produced a legitimate peer-reviewed paper based on their findings.

MM

Take it to 60 minutes and see how they treat nut case liars with delusional claims. 9 years of failure, Jones is nuts on 911 and earthquakes, and thinks windows breaking are squibs.

 

[R.Mackey]

yet the amount of papers is irrelevant to a paper's contents
unless it's a paper studying the amount of papers published

At first glance, this objection is plausible. Were this a simple quantitative argument, i.e. your side has 300 papers and mine has 500, then it would indeed be irrelevant with respect to scientific quality.

However, the argument is in fact a qualitative one. The total number of refereed, legitimate science papers written by the Truth Movement is zero. There are not ten times more, not 100 times more, not a million times more written by real scientists than by the Truth Movement. The number is undefined, because your side doesn't even show up on the field.

Ergo, this is not just a "pissing contest." It's a sober and damning commentary on the lack of rigor experienced by the Truth Movement entire. Side with them if you want, but you won't be doing it because their viewpoint is valid.

 

[leftysergeant]

"who published more papers?"
is the equivalent of asking
"who has the longest penis?"

Weak arguement. Not only has Jones published bloody little of relevance to the performance of structures involved in kamikaze attacks and fire, not only has he no training or experience related to aviation, construction or fire fighting, not only is his one published paper on the matter of the thermite paint published only by a vanity press of questionable integrity, he has published a paper on archaeological research that is generally rated five of these:



Google Steven Jones+Itzamna

 

[TruthersLie]

Dr. Jones and his associates produced a legitimate peer-reviewed paper based on their findings.

MM

You keep on using that word.
"legitimate."

Like your mistake about the footprint
and the symmetry, I'm not suprised.

It isn't a "legitimate" peer reviewed journal, and the "paper" in question is riddled with methodological errors.

But if you keep on repeating a lie maybe it will become the truth.

 

[Justin39640]

Dr. Jones and his associates produced a legitimate peer-reviewed paper based on their findings.

MM

Screaming it over and over again will not make it true. Will you stomp your feet next?

 

[Miragememories]

"To me that is all a big dodge from the real question of why thermitic activity is occurring in the red/gray chips?"

""… thermitic activity …" Is that like, say, "burning"?

Interesting that Jones leaves all you folks twisting in the wind, instead of taking a tiny bit of his material and heating it in an anoxic atmosphere. And demonstrating the possibility that the reaction might really be "themitic", and then publishing the results.

Wow, that'd take him all of about $30 & 30 minutes."

This has been explained, and if you were really the astute debater that I assume you imagine yourself to be,
you would know how patently off track your above statements are.

Maybe you might like to explain how "burning" paint generates enough heat to produce iron microspheres?

MM

 

[Edx]

Maybe you might like to explain how "burning" paint generates enough heat to produce iron microspheres?

Why does no one find it strange but truthers?

 

[twinstead]

Why does no one find it strange but truthers?

Yup. And at the risk of pissing off MM, I'll repeat:

Until somebody or some organization who MATTERS finds it strange, MM is just some cult member debating on an obscure internet forum.

Same as it ever was.

 

[tfk]

This has been explained, and if you were really the astute debater that I assume you imagine yourself to be,
you would know how patently off track your above statements are.

Maybe you might like to explain how "burning" paint generates enough heat to produce iron microspheres?

MM

Ignore questions.
Switch topics.
typical.

tk

 

[Oystein]

...
Maybe you might like to explain how "burning" paint generates enough heat to produce iron microspheres?
...

Burning wood produces iron microspheres. Do you find that strange?

You seem to be under the impression that melting iron is the only process by which iron-rich microspheres form. If so, you are wrong.

 

[Miragememories]

Burning wood produces iron microspheres. Do you find that strange?

You seem to be under the impression that melting iron is the only process by which iron-rich microspheres form. If so, you are wrong.

Read much?

The subject was paint.

You really don't give a crap about the truth do you Oystein?

MM

 

[A W Smith]

"who published more papers?"
is the equivalent of asking
"who has the longest penis?"
in my book

except in that analogy, the truth movement doesn't even have a penis!

 

[Edx]

Read much?

The subject was paint.

You really don't give a crap about the truth do you Oystein?

MM

I think his point was that there's a plethora of sources for the microspheres only truthers think the microspheres = thermite necessarily. Thats why no one apart from truthers have ever...wait... Im just repeating myself...

 

[Miragememories]

I think his point was that there's a plethora of sources for the microspheres only truthers think the microspheres = thermite necessarily. Thats why no one apart from truthers have ever...wait... Im just repeating myself...

Sigh.

The source under discussion was the ignited red chip.

Not the plethora you are conjuring up.

Pay attention will you?

MM

 

[Miragememories]

"Now why are we insisting that it needs to cut through the columns?.....just heating them up a lot would do the same thing as the fire did.....soften the steel till it failed. But again how to do that without anyone noticing and without leaving a trace.........and again why bother when you have a plane......"

"Furthermore, why insist on cutting through the columns when the steel that was recovered showed they failed at their connection points?"

bolding is mine

I have to disagree with that statement.

MM

 

[Edx]

.... MM, are you seriously saying that thermite did that????

We have twisted and bent steel in fires, thats what it looks like.

Was your magical thermite used here as well?

Or maybe here?

Here is a buckled steel column from WTC5: Did thermite do that?

 

[Edx]

Sigh.

The source under discussion was the ignited red chip.

Not the plethora you are conjuring up.

Pay attention will you?

MM

I think it was you that started talking about iron microspheres, why dont you pay attention?

 

[triforcharity]

I disagree.

What were you saying?

 

[Edx]

And once again truthers think that twisted and bent steel is evidence of demolition via thermite.

And once again truthers apparently think everyone else is just too incompetent to see what they can see.

 

[Oystein]

Burning wood produces iron microspheres. Do you find that strange?

You seem to be under the impression that melting iron is the only process by which iron-rich microspheres form. If so, you are wrong.

Read much?

The subject was paint.

You really don't give a crap about the truth do you Oystein?

MM

Answering my question would get you one step closer to seeing why you have no argument yet.

Similar to the questions of Farrer's academic credentials, you and I do not know enough about the chemistry of paints with inorganic pigments in an organic matrix to decide whether or not burning them could result in iron-rich microspheres.

You ask about the micro-spheres, and seem to insinuate that it is impossible for them to form when burning dried paint.
But you have not actually made the argument. Why would you think this is so? Part of the reason that you have not made the argument is that you do not know all of the ways by which iron-rich microspheres may form under various conditions. Take for example wood ash: Why are there iron-rich miicrospheres in the ashes of burned wood? If you learn enough and can explain this, you may be half a step further towards making an argument for me or us to rebut, and you will be one or two steps further down the road to actually understanding your own question.


(Hints:

• Wood contains compounds which in turn contain iron
• Our paint contains oxidized iron
• Thermite contains oxidized iron
• Burning wood is a redox reaction
• Burning paint is a redox reaction
• Burning thermite is a redox reaction

)